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Not bad for getting completely drubbed in a bowl outside of the CFP
OT: Florida State to sue ACC over GOR
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Villanova is a Nova in a different football universe...getting beaten by Monmouth, Richmond, Albany...
Yes...a very depleted FSU got beaten in the Orange Bowl...
I draw some hope from the fact that Clemson had 70 points scored on them in the Orange Bowl...and then tore off 11 straight seasons of double digit victories...and two national championships.
Yes...a very depleted FSU got beaten in the Orange Bowl...
I draw some hope from the fact that Clemson had 70 points scored on them in the Orange Bowl...and then tore off 11 straight seasons of double digit victories...and two national championships.
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This would help immensely. We need a Flutie-esque recruiting class while grabbing a young crazy coordinator with a vision for the Offense. Even then you have a small window to take advantage of "good fortune". Sustaining that "LUCK" is not feasible in our situation.
Luck is opportunity meeting preparation, We have been wildly unlucky, but need to be ready to take advantage of a confluence of events that opens peoples eyes(invest, invest, invest). The recruitment of Dan Orlovsky and ensuing results were a moment that we seemed to be taking advantage of. Then.....we all know what happened next. Can't let that moment go by if it ever occurs again.
FSU has filed an amended complaint against the ACC.....
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FSU takes aim at former ACC Commissioner John Swofford in amended complaint
Florida State's attorneys have filed an amended complaint against the ACC, and they put former Commissioner John Swofford in crosshairs
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I guess FSU is devolving into the old throw everything possible out there in the hopes that something might stick approach. Pointing out that the PAC is better run (maybe it’s two schools are doing well?) might not be a winner. Pulling in Raycom and Swoffords kid to create some sensational headlines does not actually add value in a lawsuit unless they have an email stating “don’t fire Jr because of his dad”. It looks bad (and probably is in reality) but “looks” on its own is worthless.FSU has filed an amended complaint against the ACC.....
FSU takes aim at former ACC Commissioner John Swofford in amended complaint
Florida State's attorneys have filed an amended complaint against the ACC, and they put former Commissioner John Swofford in crosshairs
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I think what they're going for is that I think what they're going for is that Swoffords actions constituted a breach fiduciary duty by the conference. But yeah, it appears to be a deliberate attempt at airing dirty laundry in an attempt to generate incentive to settle.
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There was no way to discuss Raycom without bringing Swofford into the discussion. Maybe the FSU legal team didn't want to lead with that and maybe try to win the case without those dirty facts. But the ACC amended complaint changed all that. And ACC malfeasance, and now, possible corruption with Swofford forcing ESPN to include Raycom (and his son Chad) is a main point. It cost the conference millions.
It's also interesting how this amended complaint makes it clear that it was Swofford pushing for the second GOR when everyone assumed that it was ESPN and that Swofford told members that ESPN had required the extension while they had not.
The ACC has been messaged..."We will shoot back".
My take is it is all about negotiating an exit...and probably before ACC and ESPN folks are deposed.
But, at any rate...FSU seems to have the gun decks manned and looks determined to not strike the flag even if the decks are awash.
It's also interesting how this amended complaint makes it clear that it was Swofford pushing for the second GOR when everyone assumed that it was ESPN and that Swofford told members that ESPN had required the extension while they had not.
The ACC has been messaged..."We will shoot back".
My take is it is all about negotiating an exit...and probably before ACC and ESPN folks are deposed.
But, at any rate...FSU seems to have the gun decks manned and looks determined to not strike the flag even if the decks are awash.
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Where is the outrage ?
UNC BOT Chair weighs in...
"I think we all have an obligation to assess the financial realities and make the best decision based on those realities,” Preyer said. “That is what the Board of Governors outlined [on Wednesday]. And if the current financial model of the Atlantic Coast Conference doesn't improve, then it would cause real concern about how Carolina could continue to maintain its excellence in athletics."
UNC BOT Chair weighs in...
"I think we all have an obligation to assess the financial realities and make the best decision based on those realities,” Preyer said. “That is what the Board of Governors outlined [on Wednesday]. And if the current financial model of the Atlantic Coast Conference doesn't improve, then it would cause real concern about how Carolina could continue to maintain its excellence in athletics."
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I understand the potential conflicts of interest with Swofford/Raycom/Swofford's kid (and in all candor, if a company I worked for was in the process of signing contracts where similar conflicts were possible, there would be language addressing this and possible side letters outlining what would and would not qualify as a breach), but why weren't there any complaints filed eight or nine years ago?
If FSU (or any other ACC school) viewed this as a legitimate problem it would have been addressed long ago. It appears that they're throwing as many allegations as possible out for public consumption to put their position in a better light in the court of public opinion.
If FSU (or any other ACC school) viewed this as a legitimate problem it would have been addressed long ago. It appears that they're throwing as many allegations as possible out for public consumption to put their position in a better light in the court of public opinion.
The ACC is cooked here. Why did they file a preeptive lawsuit at FSU? These corrupt dealings weren't addressed before doesn't mean you can't address now. No way the ACC or ESPN can handle discovery going forward.
Look for a pretty low number settlement and exit. Others will exit and the ACC will be a shell of its former self.
Look for a pretty low number settlement and exit. Others will exit and the ACC will be a shell of its former self.
Greg Flugaur gave an update the other night. While he said some time ago that Miami was FOX's preferred #20 to go along with FSU, he said the other night that Miami is also the choice of the key Presidents who hold sway with other Presidents in the B1G ---- Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State and Ohio State.
It's looking like FSU will be #19 and Miami will be #20.
According to Flugaur, who has nailed everything that has happened since USC and UCLA joined the B1G......
The B1G's preference in order is:
1. Notre Dame
2. North Carolina
3. Florida State
4. Miami
Notre Dame is still showing no signs of giving up its independent status.
North Carolina has leadership in place that prefers the SEC to the B1G. Jim Delaney had key relationships with UNC years ago, but those people in power are all gone now and the current leadership prefers the SEC. North Carolina will likely end up in the SEC.
Apparently, Georgia Tech is not high on the B1G's list at all. I thought maybe planting a flag in Atlanta would get GT into the B1G, but it doesn't look like the B1G is interested according to Flugaur.
And the kicker in this all........
Apparently neither the B1G or SEC have Clemson high on their list of expansion candidates. Unless something changes, and it certainly can change as fast as things are moving, Clemson is likely going to end up in the Big 12 rather than stay in whatever the new ACC becomes. It's possible the SEC could add Clemson as a countermove to the B1G, but the SEC really, really wants in North Carolina and Virginia. The only question is if they have to take all 4 of UNC, NCST, UVA, and VT.
As Flugaur says,
Keep your head on a swivel. Holy smokes!
It's looking like FSU will be #19 and Miami will be #20.
According to Flugaur, who has nailed everything that has happened since USC and UCLA joined the B1G......
The B1G's preference in order is:
1. Notre Dame
2. North Carolina
3. Florida State
4. Miami
Notre Dame is still showing no signs of giving up its independent status.
North Carolina has leadership in place that prefers the SEC to the B1G. Jim Delaney had key relationships with UNC years ago, but those people in power are all gone now and the current leadership prefers the SEC. North Carolina will likely end up in the SEC.
Apparently, Georgia Tech is not high on the B1G's list at all. I thought maybe planting a flag in Atlanta would get GT into the B1G, but it doesn't look like the B1G is interested according to Flugaur.
And the kicker in this all........
Apparently neither the B1G or SEC have Clemson high on their list of expansion candidates. Unless something changes, and it certainly can change as fast as things are moving, Clemson is likely going to end up in the Big 12 rather than stay in whatever the new ACC becomes. It's possible the SEC could add Clemson as a countermove to the B1G, but the SEC really, really wants in North Carolina and Virginia. The only question is if they have to take all 4 of UNC, NCST, UVA, and VT.
As Flugaur says,
Keep your head on a swivel. Holy smokes!
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Lmaoo how much is flugaur paying you to hype him up?
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Interesting posts over at the Miami board. The official document even uses this wording in post 14,584
"In 2005, the ACC extended a single invitation for a school to join the ACC as a new member. That invitation was extended to Boston College University ("Boston College"). At the time, Swofford's son, Chad Swofford, was working in the Boston College Athletic Department."
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"In 2005, the ACC extended a single invitation for a school to join the ACC as a new member. That invitation was extended to Boston College University ("Boston College"). At the time, Swofford's son, Chad Swofford, was working in the Boston College Athletic Department."
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Ha! I love his show.
I have never called in, but I chat when he's live and I'm able to watch it live! Different screen name.
Big 12 Mafia is another good one!
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Maybe, but I don't think the SEC will allow the Big 10 to grab 2 Florida schools and leave them with one. It would really open up Florida recruiting for the Big 10. If FSU and Miami were in the Big 10 this year, the Big 10 would have signed 11 of the top 20 Florida players and the SEC would have signed 7.
FSU and Miami can make more money in the B1G than the SEC. They would be the crown jewels of the south in a coast to coast conference in the B1G, but would just be any other school in the SEC. Not to mention that FSU hates ESPN and the SEC to the point that I don't think a relationship can be built between them again. Meanwhile, Miami is basically a northern school in South Florida.
How can the SEC not allow it to happen? It's not up to them.
Also, keep in mind that SEC priority #1 is getting into North Carolina and Virginia, and that might require taking in 4 schools rather than 2.
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I think a negotiation where B1G gets FSU and Miami and SEC gets UVA, VT, UNC and NCST would be done in about a second.
The hang up to me is I'm not convinced the B1G doesn't want UVA and VT to lock down the mid-atlantic and Wash DC area. Turtle doesn't do that alone.
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I’m not sure locking down DC is a priority. Locking down LA was a thing, but I believe it was because Fox and ESPN wanted to damage the PAC. You can’t kill the SEC by taking 2 Virginia schools.
There are only a few spots left in the BIG and I believe FSU has one of them. UNC and ND will have spots no matter, but otherwise they are limited. The Virginia schools don’t bring much past academics and Olympic sports. If those were important, then Stanford would already be in the BIG. Miami confuses me a bit, but having 2 schools in Florida makes more sense than 2 in Virginia.
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Sure...that is what the ACC has done as well.
But...FSU is presenting the Raycom deal as an example of the ACC's malfeasance and fraud...along with just learned facts...such as being told that ESPN demanded the GOR extension when that was not a demand, such as the Commissioner signing a contract extension with ESPN without member notice or vote.
The depositions will be interesting...but it may not get to that...
But...FSU is presenting the Raycom deal as an example of the ACC's malfeasance and fraud...along with just learned facts...such as being told that ESPN demanded the GOR extension when that was not a demand, such as the Commissioner signing a contract extension with ESPN without member notice or vote.
The depositions will be interesting...but it may not get to that...
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FSU would go to the SEC over the B10. They have played 2 B10 teams more than 3x, Maryland 23x and Nebraska 8x for a total of 47 games. They have played SEC schools 163 times including Florida and have played 10 SEC schools more than 3x. Plus, travel is much easier for all sports in the SEC.
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Travel/proximity is basically meaningless in modern realignment/consolidation.
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B1G and SEC aren't trying to destroy or kill each other.
They want to absorb all the key remaining schools and figure out a detente outside of NCAA.
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Disagree. The SEC has purposely kept their footprint tight. Closer geographies create more interest and better attendance.
I'm not sold that the Big 10's geographic footprint makes sense unless they break up into divisions/pods. Or, football breaks off and they create more regional conferences for every other sport.
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Of course they’re not. They need each other to go where they want to. The idea of the Big10 locking down the DC area with the 2 Virginia schools doesn’t make sense to me. They don’t add anything they don’t already have. FSU is a much better prospect for the Big10 than the SEC.
I don’t buy the taking schools so other conferences can’t. There are only so many spots left and admitting someone that doesn’t add to what you are trying to do takes away from your purpose. The SEC needs to be more National. Yes, it’s a regional conference, but taking schools in states/ areas they already have doesn’t add to what they are trying to do.
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