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billybud said:
OK you hate FSU...got it...I watch a lot of football as a fan...and no, I don't hunt for Bowling Green or Akron....

And yes...I think that UConn is doomed to be nationally irrelevant in football....as do many Yarders.

I hope that I am wrong since I do follow UConn...
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Nowhere did I say I hate FSU but like many in the Northeast (and I certainly do not speak for us as a group) the allure of a FSU/Clemson game is not going to make me stay home and watch.
 
billybud said:
OK you hate FSU...got it...I watch a lot of football as a fan...and no, I don't hunt for Bowling Green or Akron....

And yes...I think that UConn is doomed to be nationally irrelevant in football....as do many Yarders.

I hope that I am wrong since I do follow UConn...
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What you are having a tough time wrapping your head around is that when enough fans leave the sport, even the fans of the remaining schools will lose interest in the sport. There is a tipping point where fan interest will simply collapse.
 
FSU's coach, Mike Norvell, is a candidate for the Alabama job. On Sirius radio this morning they were talking about how Norvell should take it partly due to the widening gap in revenues between the P2 and the ACC that FSU has admitted to as well by trying to leave the ACC. If Norvell leaves, I think FSU will double down on their attempt to leave the ACC.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
What you are having a tough time wrapping your head around is that when enough fans leave the sport, even the fans of the remaining schools will lose interest in the sport. There is a tipping point where fan interest will simply collapse.
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Could be....I find that the pay for play, Portal, etc, etc has dampened my interest some...but I am a football fan...I watch a lot of games...not a fan of the SEC or B1G, but I watch some of their games.

I think that is common...8.73 million tuned in to watch Nebraska v Colorado...prurient interest more than fandom of the schools...

I read that 80% of those who identify as fans of a school have never set foot on the campus.

Many tune into a game to watch a marquee match who are not fans or either team....why else do 10 million watch Ohio State v Penn State or 8 million watch Tennessee v Alabama.
 
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whalerfan said:
Nowhere did I say I hate FSU but like many in the Northeast (and I certainly do not speak for us as a group) the allure of a FSU/Clemson game is not going to make me stay home and watch.
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Sure...but 9 million watched FSU v LSU...5 million FSU v Florida, 9 million Alabama-Auburn....maybe they weren't from the northeast...I could be wrong, but the national take has been that the northeast isn't a college football TV viewing hot spot. More pro oriented in fandom and viewing.

Regionality plays in...the south and Midwest are college football oriented,,,,the northeast seems college basketball oriented...and I have no idea about the west coast.

I'm a Floridian and my wife is a Texan...we grew up in a Friday Night Lights atmosphere...high school football was a big deal...and I have had a long lifetime of football memories...

Basketball ? I'm still learning after getting interested very late in life.
 
UConnJim said:
FSU's coach, Mike Norvell, is a candidate for the Alabama job. On Sirius radio this morning they were talking about how Norvell should take it partly due to the widening gap in revenues between the P2 and the ACC that FSU has admitted to as well by trying to leave the ACC. If Norvell leaves, I think FSU will double down on their attempt to leave the ACC.
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How would they double down on their attempt to leave? File a second lawsuit?
 
billybud said:
Could be....I find that the pay for play, Portal, etc, etc has dampened my interest some...but I am a football fan...I watch a lot of games...not a fan of the SEC or B1G, but I watch some of their games.

I think that is common...8.73 million tuned in to watch Nebraska v Colorado...prurient interest more than fandom of the schools...

I read that 80% of those who identify as fans of a school have never set foot on the campus.

Many tune into a game to watch a marquee match who are not fans or either team....why else do 10 million watch Ohio State v Penn State or 8 million watch Tennessee v Alabama.
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The point is (and not to pick on you) this consolidation is going to kill the sport for the average fan. When we lost our team for a few years I continued to purchase NHL Center Ice. When the NHL took the year off I found other things to do. If this breaks down to 50 or so teams either consciously or subconsciously fans of those institutions who feel slighted will find other things to do. I didn't watch one second of the college football playoff. Simply not interested. Look at Boston. Top 10 market. 4 pro sports teams. Nobody gives a rats behind about BCU outside of the Beanpot. NYC with it's 100 pro sports teams doesn't care about Rutgers or Syracuse (as much as they would like to believe this). They're only slightly interested about St. John's because of Pitino.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
What you are having a tough time wrapping your head around is that when enough fans leave the sport, even the fans of the remaining schools will lose interest in the sport. There is a tipping point where fan interest will simply collapse.
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this is not going to happen.
 
Florida State and head football coach Mike Norvell have agreed to a new contract in the midst of the Seminoles boss being tied to the Alabama coaching search, essentially removing Norvell from consideration to leave for the Crimson Tide. Details of the "enhanced" extension aren't yet official but ESPN reports it will be eight years and pay Norvell more than $10 million annually. Norvell previously signed a contract extension prior to the 2023 season, but after going 13-1 this past fall, he's set to receive yet another salary increase.
 
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billybud said:
Florida State and head football coach Mike Norvell have agreed to a new contract in the midst of the Seminoles boss being tied to the Alabama coaching search, essentially removing Norvell from consideration to leave for the Crimson Tide. Details of the "enhanced" extension aren't yet official but ESPN reports it will be eight years and pay Norvell more than $10 million annually. Norvell previously signed a contract extension prior to the 2023 season, but after going 13-1 this past fall, he's set to receive yet another salary increase.
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not the title but the line before the title.
 
Norvell is right up there with the top paid coaches....winning the Bear Bryant Coach of the Year helped...fitting that Saben retiring might have helped...but word is that he had already agreed to the extension.
 
Rufus said:
Fans won't lose interest. Is anyone here going to stop watching UConn? No.
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I can only speak for myself, but I think the consolidation of powers, the portal and multi-transfer players are having a negative impact on my interest. I "root for the laundry" in that I back the uniform regardless of the specific players on the roster or even the win-loss record (although I do very much want my teams to win). But I do expect the players to share some allegiance to the school and, however tenuous it may have been in the past, some connection to education. If the rosters are experiencing mass turnover from year to year and players are essentially annual free agents being sold to the highest bidder, it's a professional sport. It may be a minor league, but then I'll give it the same level of interest I give to minor league sports - go to an occasional game as entertainment, but I'm not buying season tickets or watching them on TV when I can watch much better play in the major league version. I don't have the same emotional attachment to the minor league teams and players because I know their sole function is as a pass through for a handful of the best players, not to represent me, my community, my school or any other slice of life with which I'm associated. I've never seen a minor league player cry when they lose a championship.
 
Rufus said:
Fans won't lose interest. Is anyone here going to stop watching UConn? No.
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kibblesnbits said:
I can only speak for myself, but I think the consolidation of powers, the portal and multi-transfer players are having a negative impact on my interest. I "root for the laundry" in that I back the uniform regardless of the specific players on the roster or even the win-loss record (although I do very much want my teams to win). But I do expect the players to share some allegiance to the school and, however tenuous it may have been in the past, some connection to education. If the rosters are experiencing mass turnover from year to year and players are essentially annual free agents being sold to the highest bidder, it's a professional sport. It may be a minor league, but then I'll give it the same level of interest I give to minor league sports - go to an occasional game as entertainment, but I'm not buying season tickets or watching them on TV when I can watch much better play in the major league version. I don't have the same emotional attachment to the minor league teams and players because I know their sole function is as a pass through for a handful of the best players, not to represent me, my community, my school or any other slice of life with which I'm associated. I've never seen a minor league player cry when they lose a championship.
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Actually in addition to Kibble's well stated position if UConn loses access to playing at a high level, meaning regular P2/3 opponents (and yes an outside shot, no matter how remote, of playing for a NC) my answer could easily be "yes", and I don't think I'm alone in this.

At that point I would rather invest my sports viewing time in MLS (if they ever drop the horrendous crApple TV platform) and Campeonato Brasileiro Série A futebol.
 
John said:
this is not going to happen.
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You like to disagree with me without ever explaining what you are disagreeing with. Are driveby posts your thing, or do you actually have thoughts on any of this?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
You like to disagree with me without ever explaining what you are disagreeing with. Are driveby posts your thing, or do you actually have thoughts on any of this?
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It's clear what I disagreed with, you're being sillier than usual now.
 
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Rufus said:
Fans won't lose interest. Is anyone here going to stop watching UConn? No.
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Anyone here? No. But look at our attendance when in the BCS and compare to when we were relegated.
 
noeynox said:
Anyone here? No. But look at our attendance when in the BCS and compare to when we were relegated.
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Attendance held up until UConn football tanked. If you win people will come although playing regional rivals helps attendance. Look at FSU. Their attendance tanked with poor performance and it has since recovered with their performance.
 
UConnJim said:
Attendance held up until UConn football tanked. If you win people will come although playing regional rivals helps attendance. Look at FSU. Their attendance tanked with poor performance and it has since recovered with their performance.
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Yeah, but if you were In the Rent at start of the AAC days you saw the corners of the stadium being less full. Yes the losing expedited the emptying of the stadium, but losing the regional rivals of the BE and i believe BCS status as well brought an immediate hit. If you ask me the fans hung in longer than would should be viewed as reasonable.
 
noeynox said:
Yeah, but if you were In the Rent at start of the AAC days you saw the corners of the stadium being less full. Yes the losing expedited the emptying of the stadium, but losing the regional rivals of the BE and i believe BCS status as well brought an immediate hit. If you ask me the fans hung in longer than would should be viewed as reasonable.
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Absolutely. AAC and old BE are apples and oranges. My Sister and brother in law are Rutgers grads, they would come to my house and we'd go to Rentschler for game and tailgate, dinner at Mohegan. We would go to their house, game in Piscataway(High Point?), dinner at a great Italian restaurant. UConn to AAC? Saw them one less time per year. Talked all the time with Brother in Law about Syracuse, Pitt and so on. Now, once in a while some vague question about respective schools football fortunes. He and his son and son in law go to Mich Rutgers games together(son is a Mich grad), he and his brothers go to UCLA-USC, niece at UCLA. One anecdotal story multiplied over and over up and down the East Coast. One can only imagine winning the Golden Ticket to the B1G. Amazing sporting event experience plus $$$$. Yes, it made a B1G difference.
 
AllHusky said:
Absolutely. AAC and old BE are apples and oranges. My Sister and brother in law are Rutgers grads, they would come to my house and we'd go to Rentschler for game and tailgate, dinner at Mohegan. We would go to their house, game in Piscataway(High Point?), dinner at a great Italian restaurant. UConn to AAC? Saw them one less time per year. Talked all the time with Brother in Law about Syracuse, Pitt and so on. Now, once in a while some vague question about respective schools football fortunes. He and his son and son in law go to Mich Rutgers games together(son is a Mich grad), he and his brothers go to UCLA-USC, niece at UCLA. One anecdotal story multiplied over and over up and down the East Coast. One can only imagine winning the Golden Ticket to the B1G. Amazing sporting event experience plus $$$$. Yes, it made a B1G difference.
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When Michigan played at the Rent, it was absolutely electric and if we had 70,000 seats it'd have been full. One can only dream of being in the B1G and having home games like that.
 
UConnJim said:
The ACCN revenues peaked and they will get an increase with the in market ACCN rate in the Dallas and San Francisco media markets, but then revenues will begin to decline with cord cutting, the same math that is impacting ESPN. And, if schools do leave the ACC, they will lose in market fees for their markets.

You are missing the big picture here. FSU does not compare themselves to ACC schools (except maybe Miami and Clemson) but to SEC schools. That is who they recruit against who they aspire to compete with. They can not be in a $50 million annual deficit with the schools they perceive to be their peers.
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The contract increases in the last 10 years, provided that ESPN renews the contract. If ESPN declines or decides to renegotiate the contract based on FSU leaving, then FSU could be liable for significant damages.

FSU is already in the top 10 revenue wise and even with a 30 million dollar deficit they will still be in the top 10. Money is not an issue at FSU.
 
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NE Football said:
The contract increases in the last 10 years, provided that ESPN renews the contract. If ESPN declines or decides to renegotiate the contract based on FSU leaving, then FSU could be liable for significant damages.

FSU is already in the top 10 revenue wise and even with a 30 million dollar deficit they will still be in the top 10. Money is not an issue at FSU.
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At least use facts. According to USA Today, FSU was ranked 15th for public school universities which doesn't include schools like Notre Dame and USC. When the new SEC and Big 10 contracts are factored in, FSU will not be in the top 25. Money is a big issue for FSU.
 
UConnJim said:
At least use facts. According to USA Today, FSU was ranked 15th for public school universities which doesn't include schools like Notre Dame and USC. When the new SEC and Big 10 contracts are factored in, FSU will not be in the top 25. Money is a big issue for FSU.
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Yeah i would think they know their financial situation as far as the what the future looks like better than anyone else. They want to remain upper echelon and know the road gets harder the longer they're in the ACC.
 
UConnJim said:
At least use facts. According to USA Today, FSU was ranked 15th for public school universities which doesn't include schools like Notre Dame and USC. When the new SEC and Big 10 contracts are factored in, FSU will not be in the top 25. Money is a big issue for FSU.
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I’m talking about all athletic revenue, not just TV money. FSU does not have a money problem.
 
NE Football said:
I’m talking about all athletic revenue, not just TV money. FSU does not have a money problem.
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Well they super seem to think differently.
 
FSU's athletic budget for 2023 was $172 million.

$76 million for football.
 
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