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[billybud]

You ACC folk continue to wildly overrate Louisville.

Compare Maryland and Louisville over the years. Even recent years.

Let's see...looking at the here and now...because that is more important than Yale once being King of the east in ancient football history.


Maryland athletics is currently destitute while Louisville has the ACC's largest athletic budget.

Maryland has been really awful at football. Six of their last nine seasons have below .500.

Louisville is currently ranked Top 10 in football and is coming off of a Sugar Bowl win over Florida.

People have a buzz about Louisville...We could see the buzzards circling over Maryland.

Us ACC folk are indeed ecstatic about losing Maryland....Playing Maryland was blah. they didn't bring fans to football and have brought zero excitement since Fridges early days, and they have been circling the drain for a while.

They do have some history, but then so does SMU.

 

[btstimpy]

That's the thing though. They don't have more recent success than Maryland. I mean, Friedgen's 10 win year was 3 seasons ago. Do you mean Ville's record last year changed everyone's opinion about this overnight? Because before that Ville was going through the same tribulations that Maryland currently is going through.

I don't remember Friedgen having a 10 win season 3 years ago. He had a winning record his last year and played in the bowl in DC that is at the lower end of the ACC bowl selection. I don't remember his record, but he had several losing seasons before that one. He's definitely in the obnoxious Maryland coach club I was referring to. He and Gary Williams are the co-chairs.

We're happy with Louisville as a replacement.

 

[billybud]

That's the thing though. They don't have more recent success than Maryland. I mean, Friedgen's 10 win year was 3 seasons ago. Do you mean Ville's record last year changed everyone's opinion about this overnight? Because before that Ville was going through the same tribulations that Maryland currently is going through.

Marylands last 10 win season was 10 seasons ago....The Terps hit 9 wins three seasons ago by beating a below .500 (6-7) ECU in the bowl. And they had one quality win ( they only beat two BCS conference teams that had 7 wins or better and only one of those BCS teams was better than 7-6).

 

[itgoeslike]

If you like concrete and green carpeting, Syracuse is just a beautiful place to see a football game.

And after the game, you can shoot a bear or buy a 13-room mansion for $48,000.

You can't do both?

 

[upstater]

Marylands last 10 win season was 10 seasons ago....The Terps hit 9 wins three seasons ago by beating a below .500 (6-7) ECU in the bowl. And they had one quality win ( they only beat two BCS conference teams that had 7 wins or better and only one of those BCS teams was better than 7-6).

Ah, gotcha. Thought they got to 10 wins. Louisville last year got by teams with a very thin margin, were blown out by Syracuse, and took a very bad loss to Paul Pasqualoni. They beat Florida in a bowl game, but bowl season is funny season. Look at WV and Oklahoma now. A few years ago, WV was whipping them in a bowl game.

 

[HuskyDogArt]

We in Connecticut should make a concerted effort to attract qualified academically NYC underprivelged but talented as live-in guests in W.Conn and maybe Boston area same to E.Conn as sort of "exchange student/goodwill" gesture?Is it ethical/legal?I know the public schools in NJ frown on that "recruiting" in HS and puts privates/parochials at a distinct advantage. @Mr.Conehead,I see most of my answer was already in your last line?I should have read it closer!

Why? I believe High School should be for Academics, not for Athletics!! The high schools in FL are mini cities and the football stadiums better than the GD library!!

 

[upstater]

Let's see...looking at the here and now...because that is more important than Yale once being King of the east in ancient football history.


Maryland athletics is currently destitute while Louisville has the ACC's largest athletic budget.

Maryland has been really awful at football. Six of their last nine seasons have below .500.

Louisville is currently ranked Top 10 in football and is coming off of a Sugar Bowl win over Florida.

People have a buzz about Louisville...We could see the buzzards circling over Maryland.

Us ACC folk are indeed ecstatic about losing Maryland....Playing Maryland was blah. they didn't bring fans to football and have brought zero excitement since Fridges early days, and they have been circling the drain for a while.

They do have some history, but then so does SMU.

You are going off one year. That's it. before that Ville was in the Kragthorpe years, which were as bad as the Friedgen's--worse since Friedgen actually threw them a bone.

Really, I take this as ACC fans are acting like a guy who was dumped by his wife--because Maryland left for the B1G, and you guys fear that she left because of the relative size of your endowment.

 

[upstater]

I don't remember Friedgen having a 10 win season 3 years ago. He had a winning record his last year and played in the bowl in DC that is at the lower end of the ACC bowl selection. I don't remember his record, but he had several losing seasons before that one. He's definitely in the obnoxious Maryland coach club I was referring to. He and Gary Williams are the co-chairs.

We're happy with Louisville as a replacement.

What I wrote was that Louisville was going through the same tribulations until last year. They were losing a lot of games. UConn beat them a few times. And, I hate Gary Williams. You will not find many UConn fans that liked the guy.

 

[billybud]

You are going off one year. That's it. before that Ville was in the Kragthorpe years, which were as bad as the Friedgen's--worse since Friedgen actually threw them a bone.

Really, I take this as ACC fans are acting like a guy who was dumped by his wife--because Maryland left for the B1G, and you guys fear that she left because of the relative size of your endowment.

Going on trajectories....Louisville's is going up....Maryland's has been going down, down, down.

Why can't you accept it that ACC fans are ecstatic about switching Maryland for Louisville?

 

[billybud]

Maryland fans care zippo about football. I am glad that they now water down the Big Ten brand.

 

[Fishy]

The problem with losing Maryland is that when it comes time to try to start an ACC network, you've replaced a relatively large, affluent market with one that is effectively the size of St. Paul, Minnesota.

Long-term, on the field, Louisville and Maryland are probably a wash - they'll be as good as whoever's coaching 'em.

 

[upstater]

Going on trajectories....Louisville's is going up....Maryland's has been going down, down, down.

Why can't you accept it that ACC fans are ecstatic about switching Maryland for Louisville?

Because 3 years ago it was the reverse. It was Louisville dying under Kragthorpe, and Maryland was 8 years (not 3 decades) off their basketball championship, with the football team ranked in the top 20 and winning 9 games. That's why.

 

[Gfunk]

Because 3 years ago it was the reverse. It was Louisville dying under Kragthorpe, and Maryland was 8 years (not 3 decades) off their basketball championship, with the football team ranked in the top 20 and winning 9 games. That's why.

I'm with Upstater. I get the Md disses only because we live in an ephemeral, instant gratification world.

Maryland has better hs football and basketball than Lville, and it will never have a school down the road in Lexington getting most of the glory.

Md simply needs the right organizational culture, which isn't easy to find. But they seem on the right track for basketball with Turgeon.

Friedgen got screwed, but then again I don't know everything. Regardless, he had a nice run and brought credibility to the ACC as well. His run wasn't the only time Md sustained a period of success that's not only similar to what Lville is doing right now, but perhaps longer, thus more proven.

Md also has lots of rich alum and that state can quickly turn for the better and back a winning coach, with passion mind you.

Md vs Lville, academics wise, don't even go there.

The upside at Maryland remains & that's what trajectories and history should demonstrate at this point.

 

[Gfunk]

The problem with losing Maryland is that when it comes time to try to start an ACC network, you've replaced a relatively large, affluent market with one that is effectively the size of St. Paul, Minnesota.

Long-term, on the field, Louisville and Maryland are probably a wash - they'll be as good as whoever's coaching 'em.

St. Paul, MN is never factored without Minneapolis, thus your analogy, though I get it, is way off. St. Paul has a twin named Minneapolis, hence the Minnesota Twins. They are bordering cities that combine for nearly 700,000 people, urban core, burbs not considered.

Minneapolis-St.Paul Metro = 3.5 million and growing (which is a shock considering the winters here).

Louisville = 1.5 million.

UMd is situated in a huge CSA, 3 states (Md, Va and WVa) and DC. It wouldn't be accurate to claim NoVa and DC as strongholds of Terp diehards. But yes, UMd seals a state with more people than Ky and nothing like UK getting in the way.

 

[Fishy]

St. Paul, MN is never factored without Minneapolis, thus your analogy, though I get it, is way off. St. Paul has a twin named Minneapolis, hence the Minnesota Twins. They are bordering cities that combine for nearly 700,000 people, urban core, burbs not considered.

Oh, Christ, you are a pedant.

Minnesota is completely irrelevant here. Louisville draws about half the interest in the city of Louisville - being charitable and considering the entire Louisville-Jefferson County area, that's about 250,000 people...roughly the size of St. Paul, Minnesota. You can insert the name of any city of that size if it makes it easier for you to swallow.

Their actually pull is probably somewhat less than that - perhaps I should have used Shreveport instead.

 

[billybud]

And Maryland draws....who?

Like Rutgers is supposedly the New York draw, Maryland is the ephemeral draw for DC.

People watch programs nationally....Sure, Tuscaloosa and Tallahassee are very small SMSA's.....both isolated from an urban population center...But folks will tune in to their games.

Folks tune in to see matches of interest...and marquis match ups trump all.

LOL...Who will be tuned in this Saturday to watch FSU-Nevada when Johnny Football vs Bama is playing at the same time?

 

[upstater]

And Maryland draws....who?

Like Rutgers is supposedly the New York draw, Maryland is the ephemeral draw for DC.

People watch programs nationally....Sure, Tuscaloosa and Tallahassee are very small SMSA's.....both isolated from an urban population center...But folks will tune in to their games.

Folks tune in to see matches of interest...and marquis match ups trump all.

LOL...Who will be tuned in this Saturday to watch FSU-Nevada when Johnny Football vs Bama is playing at the same time?

This is why people are talking about the ACC network. On a national basis you're right. But if the ACC wants a network (and clearly your school does) then local subscriptions are very important. In that sense, Louisville will be a financial drag. Also, I don't think anyone is tuned into Ville football nationally. Although I don't think Strong is that great a coach, I'm pretty certain that an SEC school will jump on him in the next few years.

 

[billybud]

Strong already turned down the SEC....I think that Louisville has the bucks to hold him...and he is a pretty good coach. I thought, at Florida, he was a good recruiter and DC.

 

[NickyNewark]

FSU and Clemson do play Louisville in the division.

They lose the Terps and replace them with Louisville...a big gain.

Maybe for the moment while Strong is at "L'ville" but Locksleys getting some serious talent now that Edsall can't for MD and might/probably saved RE's job and improved RE's perception but will certainly translate into great improvement for the Terps on the field!Since when is L'ville seen as some major CFB power?Remember Kragthorpe?Teddy B was all that seperated L'ville FB from mediocrity! It just shows how little seperation their is in D1 CFB that they were able to thump SEC power UF.

 

[NickyNewark]

Strong already turned down the SEC....I think that Louisville has the bucks to hold him...and he is a pretty good coach. I thought, at Florida, he was a good recruiter and DC.

How long can a private or public Metro/BE conference type U sell there soul for a CFB coach?Where is all this money coming from?Where can the dollars in this economy justify it?I guess if UConn was going ACC instead of them they'd have lost him?

 

[NickyNewark]

Going on trajectories....Louisville's is going up....Maryland's has been going down, down, down.

Why can't you accept it that ACC fans are ecstatic about switching Maryland for Louisville?

Have you been watching whats going on in MD FB billy?Locksley "not RE" has been accumulating some serious talent recently!

 

[upstater]

How long can a private U sell there soul for a CFB coach?Where is all this money coming from?

Louisville is a public school

 

[NickyNewark]

Louisville is a public school

Thanks but I'd still like to know where do they get in the BE that kind of SEC type coaching/athletic facility's support money upstater?

 

[upstater]

Thanks but I'd still like to know where do they get in the BE that kind of SEC type coaching/athletic facility's support money upstater?

Their money was equal to UConn's until last year or the year before. Then suddenly they doubled donations and also revenues from seats (thee YUM center) which was a lark for the university paid by the taxpayer. It was a boondoggle. Good for the school though. I can't answer your question about donations. It is very unusual to DOUBLE them in one year. But, the AD Jurich has been adept at presenting a smoke-and-mirrors budget for many years. Put it this way: he made the UL basketball team seem like the best thing going by dumping all donations relating to the YUM center seats and to the basketball program in general into the ledger of bball revenues. Most schools include donations and seat donations under AD revenues. So, when Forbes called them the most valuable bball program around, they were comparing apples to oranges, not to mention how Louisville's high bball TV ratings are always mentioned (when we know the market is small, and TV eyeballs are glued to Kentucky, Ville and Indiana).

If I had to put my money down, I would bet that more eyes watch UConn in Conn. than watch Louisville in its market.

 

[Marty Jackson]

Strong already turned down the SEC....I think that Louisville has the bucks to hold him...and he is a pretty good coach. I thought, at Florida, he was a good recruiter and DC.

I think Jurich had something to do with that as well. Money talks, but having Jurich as AD helps as well.

 

[NickyNewark]

And Maryland draws....who?

Like Rutgers is supposedly the New York draw, Maryland is the ephemeral draw for DC.

People watch programs nationally....Sure, Tuscaloosa and Tallahassee are very small SMSA's.....both isolated from an urban population center...But folks will tune in to their games.

Folks tune in to see matches of interest...and marquis match ups trump all.

LOL...Who will be tuned in this Saturday to watch FSU-Nevada when Johnny Football vs Bama is playing at the same time?

billybud,RU don't even need NYC and they still have a state of near 9M w/o the Philly/NYC population, thats just extra! I'm not disagreeing though with most of your post.But I still think Md is an excellent addition to the B1G!

 

[btstimpy]

The problem with losing Maryland is that when it comes time to try to start an ACC network, you've replaced a relatively large, affluent market with one that is effectively the size of St. Paul, Minnesota.

Long-term, on the field, Louisville and Maryland are probably a wash - they'll be as good as whoever's coaching 'em.

The Baltimore DMA is about 1 million. The Lousville DMA is about 700 thousand. We're talking about 300 thousand in a Baltimore Market where few care about the Maryland Terps vs a Louisville Market that has its full attention on the Louisville Cardinals.

The ACC didn't lose the Washington, DC market becausee Virginia and Virginia Tech collectively are more popular there than Maryland.

The ACC network will be fine without Maryland.

 

[upstater]

The Baltimore DMA is about 1 million. The Lousville DMA is about 700 thousand. We're talking about 300 thousand in a Baltimore Market where few care about the Maryland Terps vs a Louisville Market that has its full attention on the Louisville Cardinals.

The ACC didn't lose the Washington, DC market becausee Virginia and Virginia Tech collectively are more popular there than Maryland.

The ACC network will be fine without Maryland.

Can I see how you came up with the idea that Louisville has the full attention of its city, because Kentucky is very popular there, with a smattering of Indiana fans too?

 

[Sea Goat]

The Baltimore DMA is about 1 million. The Lousville DMA is about 700 thousand. We're talking about 300 thousand in a Baltimore Market where few care about the Maryland Terps vs a Louisville Market that has its full attention on the Louisville Cardinals.

The ACC didn't lose the Washington, DC market becausee Virginia and Virginia Tech collectively are more popular there than Maryland.

The ACC network will be fine without Maryland.

No self-respecting Cavalier should say anything to justify the inclusion of Trailer Truck Institute (AKA Louisville) in the ACC.

 

[Gfunk]

Oh, Christ, you are a pedant.

Minnesota is completely irrelevant here. Louisville draws about half the interest in the city of Louisville - being charitable and considering the entire Louisville-Jefferson County area, that's about 250,000 people...roughly the size of St. Paul, Minnesota. You can insert the name of any city of that size if it makes it easier for you to swallow.

Their actually pull is probably somewhat less than that - perhaps I should have used Shreveport instead.

Pedant! No. You used a horrible example. You're right, nothing to correct here because I'll go with your last statement, that was a much better example.