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[Gfunk]

The Baltimore DMA is about 1 million. The Lousville DMA is about 700 thousand. We're talking about 300 thousand in a Baltimore Market where few care about the Maryland Terps vs a Louisville Market that has its full attention on the Louisville Cardinals.

The ACC didn't lose the Washington, DC market becausee Virginia and Virginia Tech collectively are more popular there than Maryland.

The ACC network will be fine without Maryland.

Ouch! Where are you getting your numbers? And what proof do you have that Va & VaTech are collectively more popular than UMd - I only see a wash. But then I also see other BIG schools with plenty of alum in the DC metro. I mean it's a national city, hell international.

I don't think the Big Ten Network, for example, is banking on just slivers of the Baltimore-DC metro. Foremost, they will likely push & secure the entire state of Md since the Terps are the state's sole flagship. The push for the DC market becomes more like you say, slice grabs, here and there.

But it would be a damn good idea for the ACC to get it's own network first. These suckers take time to get up and running. The BTN struggled at first and the Pac12 Network is currently working out many kinks, despite having very little competition in its own footprint.

I can imagine an ACC Network pumping throughout much of Va, but in NoVa and the DC CSA, it will face competition from the BTN, there's just not much to debate here. As for Lville, you have a UK issue - don't front. Lville is a bonafide crossroads city between the Midwest and South - Ohio River Valley - where terms like Kentuckiana are used - Upstater made this somewhat factual point.

 

[btstimpy]

No self-respecting Cavalier should say anything to justify the inclusion of Trailer Truck Institute (AKA Louisville) in the ACC.

In comparison to Maryland (AKA Trailer Park on US 1), most would say it. But I'm not sure how this thread has gotten away from discussing UConn and turned into discussing Maryland and Louisville.

 

[UConn Dan]

This whole "Conference Realignment" forum needs to be burnt to the ground... we haven't had any viable leads since the ACC GOR. Wake me up when the ACC or B1G actually calls with an invite.

- All Hope Lost

 

[btstimpy]

Ouch! Where are you getting your numbers? And what proof do you have that Va & VaTech are collectively more popular than UMd - I only see a wash. But then I also see other BIG schools with plenty of alum in the DC metro. I mean it's a national city, hell international.

I don't think the Big Ten Network, for example, is banking on just slivers of the Baltimore-DC metro. Foremost, they will likely push & secure the entire state of Md since the Terps are the state's sole flagship. The push for the DC market becomes more like you say, slice grabs, here and there.

But it would be a damn good idea for the ACC to get it's own network first. These suckers take time to get up and running. The BTN struggled at first and the Pac12 Network is currently working out many kinks, despite having very little competition in its own footprint.

I can imagine an ACC Network pumping throughout much of Va, but in NoVa and the DC CSA, it will face competition from the BTN, there's just not much to debate here. As for Lville, you have a UK issue - don't front. Lville is a bonafide crossroads city between the Midwest and South - Ohio River Valley - where terms like Kentuckiana are used - Upstater made this somewhat factual point.

You can pull DMA numbers using Google. I agree that the Big Ten's plan is to charge all the cable subscribers in the entire state of Maryland more per month for the BTN whether or not they care about the University of Maryland or the Big Ten. That is the BTN model.

 

[billybud]

Have you been watching whats going on in MD FB billy?Locksley "not RE" has been accumulating some serious talent recently!

Yeah...rvals currently ranks Maryland's 2014 class as #64...Louisville at #16...Strong is out recruiting Maryland even if he is building just a class of solid Rivals 3 stars.

Maryland will get a great catch or two...like Jesse Aniebonam in this class and Deon Long last year and Stefon Diggs the year before that....the recruiting area is a good one to cherry pick.

You will see FSU's 5* Ronald Darby (Oxen Hill, Maryland) or 5* Eddie Goldman (DC) if you watch FSU games....

 

[Fishy]

You are flat-out dreaming if you think Maryland and Louisville are remotely equal markets.

Given the lack of rights and ESPN's reticence, the ACC Network is likely something of a fantasy until the mid-2020's, but since we have nothing but time to talk about this stuff....

face things as they are. You lost a lot in terms of eyeballs and replaced it with a little. Maryland alone has two million households and it's been lost for a city of 285,00o people. Louisville splits its own city with the University of Kentucky and their influence doesn't extend one step outside of it. (It is simply their bad luck to be located in a state with Kentucky.)

Even if you took the most pollyanna-ish view, the ACC would be trying to shoe-horn itself into the 50th biggest television market that it would have to share with the SEC Network and the Big Ten Network. (Louisville's DMA is in the Kentuckiana area - if you want to compare 'em, Maryland's DMAs cover over 3.5M people...or about 3M more than Louisville's.)

Despite the hurried rewriting of affairs, the ACC didn't take Louisville for its market or its academics or anything else other than its place in the AP football poll. They needed to shore up the football conference to calm Florida State and perhaps Clemson. To that end, they did it.

To any other end, nope.

 

[billybud]

ESPN doesn't care about "markets" as much as does the BTN.

ESPN is carried nationally with a very high carriage rate and they want eyeballs on games.....They care about metered markets so they can charge more for advertising, In this manner, they are much like CBS and NBC vieing for Neilsen ratings on a Thursday night.

And, guess what..ESPN's highest watched meter markets are in places like Birmingham, Greenville, Louisville,Atlanta,..etc...

Top 25 Markets for 2012 ..........................Top 25 Markets for 2011
No. 1 Birmingham: 8.9 rating .......................No. 1 Birmingham: 5.9 rating
No. 2 Greenville: 4.7 rating .........................No. 2 Oklahoma City: 4.3 rating
No. 3 Knoxville: 4.6 rating ...........................Columbus: 4.3 rating
No. 4 New Orleans: 3.7 rating .......................No. 4 Greenville: 4.1 rating
No. 5 Jacksonville: 3.6 rating ........................No. 5 New Orleans: 3.4 rating
Columbus: 3.6 rating .................................Atlanta: 3.4 rating
No. 7 Atlanta: 3.5 rating .............................No. 7 Jacksonville: 3.3 rating
No. 8 Oklahoma City: 3.4 rating .....................Tulsa: 3.3 rating
No. 9 Nashville: 3.3 rating ............................No. 9 Las Vegas: 3.2 rating
No. 10 Memphis: 3.1 rating ...........................No. 10 Knoxville: 3.0 rating
Austin: 3.1 rating ......................................No. 11 Dayton: 2.8 rating
No. 12 Tulsa: 2.5 rating ...............................No. 12 Greensboro: 2.7 rating
Charlotte: 2.5 rating ..................................Austin: 2.7 rating
Las Vegas: 2.5 rating ..................................Charlotte: 2.7 rating
No. 15 Portland: 2.3 rating ............................Fort Myers: 2.7 rating
Richmond: 2.3 rating ..................................No. 16 Pittsburgh: 2.5 rating
No. 17 Orlando: 2.2 rating ............................Nashville: 2.5 rating
Dayton: 2.2 rating ......................................Norfolk: 2.5 rating
Norfolk: 2.2 rating ......................................Memphis: 2.5 rating
No. 20 Louisville: 2.1 rating ............................No. 20 Cleveland: 2.4 rating
Tampa-St. Petersburg: 2.1 rating ......................No. 21 Orlando: 2.3 rating
No. 22 West Palm Beach: 2.0 rating ...................No. 22 Raleigh-Durham: 2.2 rating
Greensboro: 2.0 rating ................................West Palm Beach: 2.2 rating
Cleveland: 2.0 rating ...................................Detroit: 2.2 rating
Ft. Myers: 2.0 rating ...................................No. 25 Cincinnati: 2.0 rating
Richmond: 2.0 rating
Portland 2.0 rating
Kansas City: 2.0 rating
Tampa-St. Petersburg: 2.0 rating

 

[btstimpy]

You are flat-out dreaming if you think Maryland and Louisville are remotely equal markets.

Given the lack of rights and ESPN's reticence, the ACC Network is likely something of a fantasy until the mid-2020's, but since we have nothing but time to talk about this stuff....

face things as they are. You lost a lot in terms of eyeballs and replaced it with a little. Maryland alone has two million households and it's been lost for a city of 285,00o people. Louisville splits its own city with the University of Kentucky and their influence doesn't extend one step outside of it. (It is simply their bad luck to be located in a state with Kentucky.)

Even if you took the most pollyanna-ish view, the ACC would be trying to shoe-horn itself into the 50th biggest television market that it would have to share with the SEC Network and the Big Ten Network. (Louisville's DMA is in the Kentuckiana area - if you want to compare 'em, Maryland's DMAs cover over 3.5M people...or about 3M more than Louisville's.)

Despite the hurried rewriting of affairs, the ACC didn't take Louisville for its market or its academics or anything else other than its place in the AP football poll. They needed to shore up the football conference to calm Florida State and perhaps Clemson. To that end, they did it.

To any other end, nope.

What I was asssuring you of is that the ACC did not lose the Washington DC market or any presence there. Your comparisons would need to be condensed to the Baltimore market for Maryland vs the Louisville market for Louisville. And that comparison is much closer than your presentation.

Louisville's football AP poll numbers weren't as big a factor in their analysis as the financial health of its athletic department. The ACC sponsors championships in 25 sports. Louisville is close to sponsoring varsity teams in all of them with recently renovated or newly planned facilities and a healthy budget. They are discussing adding men's lacrosse which the ACC is good at.

Maryland just flushed 6 sports and is still losing money on what's left, and they will continue to do so in the Big Ten. Their recent report that has been made public projects them to continue to lose money until 2017 using rosy projections. They have their work cut out for them to get those eyeballs you claim. While there may be many TV sets in Maryland, a really small number of the eyeballs looking at them are looking at the University of Maryland Terrapins. They wouldn't be flushing sports if that number were larger.

And if the ACC is concerned about presence in large DMA areas because of the ACC Network, they can add Temple and get right in the middle of one much larger than whatever they think they might have lost with Maryland. I've been advocating UConn and Temple to be invited for a while now.

 

[billybud]

Heck...if you want emphasis on DMA's instead of good football teams...you add teams like Houston, Texas San Antonio, Temple, FIU, Tulane, Rutgers, Massachusetts...etc.

I hope we never get to that.....

 

[NickyNewark]

Yeah...rvals currently ranks Maryland's 2014 class as #64...Louisville at #16...Strong is out recruiting Maryland even if he is building just a class of solid Rivals 3 stars.

Maryland will get a great catch or two...like Jesse Aniebonam in this class and Deon Long last year and Stefon Diggs the year before that....the recruiting area is a good one to cherry pick.

You will see FSU's 5* Ronald Darby (Oxen Hill, Maryland) or 5* Eddie Goldman (DC) if you watch FSU games....

I didn't notice this years class yet but I hear the #1 OL Damien Prince is strongly thinking MD along with a couple other Delmarva studs and Mike Locksley might not be HC'ing material but he sure can recruit,I believe you but its hard to believe with all those studs MD is recruiting as poorly as Syracuse?Whose ranked in the 68th spot or thereabouts? Heck,RU is recruiting about top 25 in all the services I'm pretty sure!?!

 

[upstater]

ESPN doesn't care about "markets" as much as does the BTN.

ESPN is carried nationally with a very high carriage rate and they want eyeballs on games.....They care about metered markets so they can charge more for advertising, In this manner, they are much like CBS and NBC vieing for Neilsen ratings on a Thursday night.

And, guess what..ESPN's highest watched meter markets are in places like Birmingham, Greenville, Louisville,Atlanta,..etc...

Top 25 Markets for 2012 ..........................Top 25 Markets for 2011
No. 1 Birmingham: 8.9 rating .......................No. 1 Birmingham: 5.9 rating
No. 2 Greenville: 4.7 rating .........................No. 2 Oklahoma City: 4.3 rating
No. 3 Knoxville: 4.6 rating ...........................Columbus: 4.3 rating
No. 4 New Orleans: 3.7 rating .......................No. 4 Greenville: 4.1 rating
No. 5 Jacksonville: 3.6 rating ........................No. 5 New Orleans: 3.4 rating
Columbus: 3.6 rating .................................Atlanta: 3.4 rating
No. 7 Atlanta: 3.5 rating .............................No. 7 Jacksonville: 3.3 rating
No. 8 Oklahoma City: 3.4 rating .....................Tulsa: 3.3 rating
No. 9 Nashville: 3.3 rating ............................No. 9 Las Vegas: 3.2 rating
No. 10 Memphis: 3.1 rating ...........................No. 10 Knoxville: 3.0 rating
Austin: 3.1 rating ......................................No. 11 Dayton: 2.8 rating
No. 12 Tulsa: 2.5 rating ...............................No. 12 Greensboro: 2.7 rating
Charlotte: 2.5 rating ..................................Austin: 2.7 rating
Las Vegas: 2.5 rating ..................................Charlotte: 2.7 rating
No. 15 Portland: 2.3 rating ............................Fort Myers: 2.7 rating
Richmond: 2.3 rating ..................................No. 16 Pittsburgh: 2.5 rating
No. 17 Orlando: 2.2 rating ............................Nashville: 2.5 rating
Dayton: 2.2 rating ......................................Norfolk: 2.5 rating
Norfolk: 2.2 rating ......................................Memphis: 2.5 rating
No. 20 Louisville: 2.1 rating ............................No. 20 Cleveland: 2.4 rating
Tampa-St. Petersburg: 2.1 rating ......................No. 21 Orlando: 2.3 rating
No. 22 West Palm Beach: 2.0 rating ...................No. 22 Raleigh-Durham: 2.2 rating
Greensboro: 2.0 rating ................................West Palm Beach: 2.2 rating
Cleveland: 2.0 rating ...................................Detroit: 2.2 rating
Ft. Myers: 2.0 rating ...................................No. 25 Cincinnati: 2.0 rating
Richmond: 2.0 rating
Portland 2.0 rating
Kansas City: 2.0 rating
Tampa-St. Petersburg: 2.0 rating

Doesn't the fact that Greenville is #2 tell you something? I mean, the most popular food in Terre Haute is fried cow's brains.

 

[NickyNewark]

Heck...if you want emphasis on DMA's instead of good football teams...you add teams like Houston, Texas San Antonio, Temple, FIU, Tulane, Rutgers, Massachusetts...etc.

I hope we never get to that.....

billybud,thanks for giving my school/rooting interest your vote of confidence!Especially after just taking SU!

 

[upstater]

I want UConn in the ACC. For the most part, our ACC visitors have been great. But, I really think Swofford was beaten badly in all this. Maryland for Temple is no kid of trade.

 

[Fishy]

ESPN doesn't care about "markets" as much as does the BTN.

ESPN is carried nationally with a very high carriage rate and they want eyeballs on games.....They care about metered markets so they can charge more for advertising, In this manner, they are much like CBS and NBC vieing for Neilsen ratings on a Thursday night.

And, guess what..ESPN's highest watched meter markets are in places like Birmingham, Greenville, Louisville,Atlanta,..etc...

No, ESPN is not like CBS or NBC.

Almost 2/3rds of ESPN's revenue comes from carriage fees whereas CBS's revenue is approximately 2/3rds advertising.

In either case, both networks would be more concerned with about fifty other markets before they started to worry the likes of Louisville, Kentucky. It's a small market - not sure why that offends people.

 

[billybud]

I want UConn in the ACC. For the most part, our ACC visitors have been great. But, I really think Swofford was beaten badly in all this. Maryland for Temple is no kid of trade.

I would be furious at Swofford if Temple was added....even worse than the add of that Canadian team (Syracuse).

 

[billybud]

No, ESPN is not like CBS or NBC.

Almost 2/3rds of ESPN's revenue comes from carriage fees whereas CBS's revenue is approximately 2/3rds advertising.

In either case, both networks would be more concerned with about fifty other markets before they started to worry the likes of Louisville, Kentucky. It's a small market - not sure why that offends people.

It doesn't offend me...but maybe more folks watch college football in Louisville than in Hartford. ESPN already has carriage fees everywhere in the country be it cable or satellite....

For the second week of college football...

Birmingham leading the markets

For the second straight week, Birmingham was the highest-rated metered market for ESPN game telecasts, averaging an 18.0 for Saturday’s three matchups. Greenville, S.C., was second with a 13.8 rating followed by Jacksonville (12.5), Atlanta (11.2), Detroit (10.1), Tampa-St. Pete (9.3), Orlando (9.1), Columbus (8.9), Knoxville (8.3) and Fort Myers (8.3).

ESPN is the mothership with a huge inventory....Fox wants to compete and CBS and NBC want in the game..But the Four Letter Guys will hold sway for a while.

This last weekend:

ESPN Posts its Most-Viewed College Football Regular-Season Saturday Ever
ESPN 15-Hour Saturday Average Outdraws Competition’s Most-Viewed Game
ESPN & ABC Televise Weekend’s Four Most-Viewed Games
ESPN Wins Night Among Viewers and Key Demographics
ESPN, ESPN2 & ESPNU Each Top Competition for Saturday
Millions Go to ESPN Mobile Offerings

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...football-regular-season-saturday-ever/202041/

 

[NickyNewark]

As nice as some as you guys appear to be when anyone challenges what most of us think "delusional thinking" you all get very defensive to opposing rational views which I consider Fishy's to be? RU a BAD FB team?Maybe average or mediocre but bad? What do you guys really feel about UConn's FB team?Makes me wonder?After all RU would fare well in the ACC in FB!After FSU and maybe Clemson (not VT) whats so great about the rest of ACC FB?Yes,I'll throw the "U" in there to as I think Al Golden has them back on track but where have there fans gone along with there swagger??

 

[NickyNewark]

I would be furious at Swofford if Temple was added....even worse than the add of that Canadian team (Syracuse).

billybud,at least your consistent but some others here are a little over the top?

 

[billybud]

As nice as some as you guys appear to be when anyone challenges what most of us think "delusional thinking" you all get very defensive to opposing rational views which I consider Fishy's to be? RU a BAD FB team?Maybe average or mediocre but bad? What do you guys really feel about UConn's FB team?Makes me wonder?After all RU would fare well in the ACC in FB!After FSU and maybe Clemson (not VT) whats so great about the rest of ACC FB?

Our viewpoint, as I have posted is due to our vantage point. I follow Rutgers only in certain games.

The 0-12 since 2000 against WVU (I do follow WVU if you haven't seen me on their board for the last 11 years) maybe has fueled my bias.

I am willing to admit that I may have an extreme geographic based bias re Rutgers since I do not follow them at all.

I only follow WVU because, back in 1982, I partied with a WVU couple at the Gator Bowl when FSU met them. We exchanged cards and I said the standard "call me if you ever come down"...well, they did. We sailed our boat in the gulf, have dived in the Bahamas with them, rafted rivers etc. We had sons six months apart who think of themselves as cousins

 

[Fishy]

It doesn't offend me...but maybe more folks watch college football in Louisville than in Hartford. ESPN already has carriage fees everywhere in the country be it cable or satellite....

Inadvertently, you're agreeing with me.

Short-term, it probably doesn't matter who the ACC chose - ESPN was giving them what they were giving them and swapping Maryland for Louisville or Cincinnati or UConn was not going to move the needle.

Long-term, however, if the ACC wants to move forward with a network, Louisville is a very small market and it's immediate area is strongly SEC. In terms of gaining carriage, they're a dud. You could pull a 50 share in the city of Louisville and that's still insignificant.

That has worked in the ACC's favor in some instances - Florida State, which is certainly a nationally prominent program, could not gain any traction with the SEC because they, like Louisville, are a small market inside the SEC's footprint.

If FSU moved the needle enough and the SEC snapped them up, the ACC probably goes to hell in a hand basket.

 

[billybud]

Inadvertently, you're agreeing with me.

Short-term, it probably doesn't matter who the ACC chose - ESPN was giving them what they were giving them and swapping Maryland for Louisville or Cincinnati or UConn was not going to move the needle.

Long-term, however, if the ACC wants to move forward with a network, Louisville is a very small market and it's immediate area is strongly SEC. In terms of gaining carriage, they're a dud.

That has worked in the ACC's favor in some instances - Florida State, which is certainly a nationally prominent program, could not gain any traction with the SEC because they, like Louisville, are a small market inside the SEC's footprint.

If FSU moved the needle enough and the SEC snapped them up, the ACC probably goes to hell in a hand basket.

It all depends on your market strategy...the SEC wants a SECN which is based on carriage rates, not actual eyeballs tuning in. That strategy calls for ever conquering new area, not doubling up in the same state. The Big 12 has a different strategy since they do not have a Big 12 network...

The ACC's network strategy is, IMHO, more about exposure than money...a lot of digital access with little additional income to come from it in the near future, if ever.

 

[NickyNewark]

Our viewpoint, as I have posted is due to our vantage point. I follow Rutgers only in certain games.

The 0-12 since 2000 against WVU (I do follow WVU if you haven't seen me on their board for the last 11 years) maybe has fueled my bias.

I am willing to admit that I may have an extreme geographic based bias re Rutgers since I do not follow them at all.

I only follow WVU because, back in 1982, I partied with a WVU couple at the Gator Bowl when FSU met them. We exchanged cards and I said the standard "call me if you ever come down"...well, they did. We sailed our boat in the gulf, have dived in the Bahamas with them, rafted rivers etc. We had sons six months apart who think of themselves as cousins

I was just going to say that it seems perception changes with geography?Yes I know all about the WV hex my nephew graduated there "01" and my mom lives with his mother so I live with WVU when Im there!Actually RU and WVU fans get along greatly!Guido's vs Hillbillys Ha Ha and always jump between boards and were the 1st to congratulate RU on their move to the B1G and say they always root for us?Like I've said I love a rabid fanbase!billybud,I don't look at you as I do others I perceive sarcastic or snide!Your usually just saying what you feel and I'm the same way!

 

[billybud]

Geography is interesting.

I just bought a cabin in western North Carolina (I have loved this area for a long while). You'd expect Tar Heel fans.

Nope...you get more Georgia and Tennessee fans.... with a sprinkling of FSU and Florida fans the further west you go in the mountains.

 

[btstimpy]

I want UConn in the ACC. For the most part, our ACC visitors have been great. But, I really think Swofford was beaten badly in all this. Maryland for Temple is no kid of trade.

The notion that Maryland is some sort of prize is truly comical to me. It's an athletic department that as billybud describes it is "circling the drain" and has been for a long time. I truly don't see much difference between Maryland and Temple to be honest in the major sports. Both have trouble getting interest in their football product in their home towns, and both have more emphasis on basketball with Temple performing better lately. Both are public. Temple is a larger school in a bigger market than Maryland is in. Maryland is better academically, but wasn't in the top half of the ACC anyway. Maryland does offer top notch lacrosse especially with their women's program. That's about all the ACC will miss, but the ACC added Notre Dame and Syracuse lacrosse.

 

[NickyNewark]

Geography is interesting.

I just bought a cabin in western North Carolina (I have loved this area for a long while). You'd expect Tar Heel fans.

Nope...you get more Georgia and Tennessee fans.... with a sprinkling of FSU and Florida fans the further west you go in the mountains.

I've loved the NC woods since I was at Geiger in "69" on our 21 mile force march!My gramps was a Scot-Canadian lumberjack who worked in the wilderness from Nova Scotia to Maine/Northern Quebec since he jumped out of his 1 room schoolhouse at 12 years old in 1902 to avoid a thrashing and didn't come home till he was 19 he was so afraid of what his dad would do!He's a legend in my family and had hands like a catchers mitt and was 6'3" 240 solid!I feel woods and camping are in my DNA (deeply ingrained)!I'd love to see the Alaska wilderness!But I love the Appalachian trail from Ga/Miss all the way up to Canada!

 

[Fishy]

The notion that Maryland is some sort of prize is truly comical to me. It's an athletic department that as billybud describes it is "circling the drain" and has been for a long time.

Sigh.

Once again, we can't see the forest....it has nothing to do with their athletic program, it's about the market - they're in a very large one. Rutgers is no peach, but they're in an even larger market. Schools will have their ups and downs, but long-term, it's the market.

Not for nothing, but, s---, you're a Virginia fan....it's been a long time between drinks of water for Virginia sports.

 

[NickyNewark]

The notion that Maryland is some sort of prize is truly comical to me. It's an athletic department that as billybud describes it is "circling the drain" and has been for a long time. I truly don't see much difference between Maryland and Temple to be honest in the major sports. Both have trouble getting interest in their football product in their home towns, and both have more emphasis on basketball with Temple performing better lately. Both are public. Temple is a larger school in a bigger market than Maryland is in. Maryland is better academically, but wasn't in the top half of the ACC anyway. Maryland does offer top notch lacrosse especially with their women's program. That's about all the ACC will miss, but the ACC added Notre Dame and Syracuse lacrosse.

It must be nice as a Va fan up there on Mt.Olympus?

 

[btstimpy]

Sigh.

Once again, we can't see the forest....it has nothing to do with their athletic program, it's about the market - they're in a very large one. Rutgers is no peach, but they're in an even larger market. Schools will have their ups and downs, but long-term, it's the market.

Not for nothing, but, s---, you're a Virginia fan....it's been a long time between drinks of water for Virginia sports.

I discussed markets. I believe that the Philadelphia DMA is bigger than the Baltimore DMA.

Virginia has 8 NCAA championships in the past 10 years in 5 different sports. I wish it were more, but it is what it is. The Tennis team lost 3 times in the finals. Should be 11 instead of 8.

 

[Waquoit]

I discussed markets. I believe that the Philadelphia DMA is bigger than the Baltimore DMA.

Virginia has 8 NCAA championships in the past 10 years in 5 different sports. I wish it were more, but it is what it is. The Tennis team lost 3 times in the finals. Should be 11 instead of 8.

What sports? Any of them bigger than women's basketball?

 

[btstimpy]

What sports? Any of them bigger than women's basketball?

Men's Lacrosse, Soccer, and Tennis
Women's Lacrosse, Rowing

Bigger than Women's Basketball? I guess it depends on who's watching and what they are interested in. Hokies laugh at UVA's championships every day because they built a championship trophy case to put their Football National Championship Trophy in it. You know. It's the one with the Waterford Crystal Football. They have zero NCAA championships to date in anything else. While they wait for that Crystal Football, I guess we'll just keep adding the more simple trophies.