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I have no problem with this as long as it can be justified with enough revenue from those teams by their helping get television visibility in those areas (UConn in Connecticut for New England and New York) and (Cincinnati for Cincinnati and other areas of Ohio). I also submit Temple as an option instead of Cincinnati. The ACC is in need of presence in the Mid-Atlantic with the departure of Maryland. Temple is there in a large Mid-Atlantic Market that has high interest in basketball. But as you suggest adding one still leaves room for the other at a later date because this would be done on the way to eventually go to 20.
Or maybe Villanova?Bigger hoops brand in Philly,S.Jersey and MD with an ambitious FB program?Or Seton Hall maybe by just adding a FB program to there BB program for the NJ/NY megalopolis?
 
I have no problem with this as long as it can be justified with enough revenue from those teams by their helping get television visibility in those areas (UConn in Connecticut for New England and New York) and (Cincinnati for Cincinnati and other areas of Ohio). I also submit Temple as an option instead of Cincinnati. The ACC is in need of presence in the Mid-Atlantic with the departure of Maryland. Temple is there in a large Mid-Atlantic Market that has high interest in basketball. But as you suggest adding one still leaves room for the other at a later date because this would be done on the way to eventually go to 20.
Look at the reverse. If UConn goes to the B1G Syracuse and BC become isolated.
That's why if the ACC even feels like the B1G is an obtion they offer UConn immediately.
 
Look at the reverse. If UConn goes to the B1G Syracuse and BC become isolated.
That's why if the ACC even feels like the B1G is an obtion they offer UConn immediately.
I like your viewpoint! That's why I'm so confident about eventually UConn to the B1G (soon) as in the CR wars between the conferences I like where our (UConn) market/BB success stand in the overall picture!!
 
Syracuse and BC become more isolated than they are now?
I can see it now.....lets outflank OSU,PSU,RU and MD by picking up Cinncy,SU and Temple?Is something wrong with this picture?....billybud,I think you have a pretty fair picture of the northeast dynamic!
 
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Temple delivers no watchers....and would water down the ACC brand.

Neither does Cincinnati. It's simply a matter of "Do you want access to the 3 million television set Philadephia DMA?" or "Do you want access to the 900 thousand television set Cincinnati DMA?" Temple is already in good shape with Basketball. They reached the round of 32 in last year's NCAA men's tournament. They beat NC State in round 1 and lost to a close game to Indiana which they led in round 2. They average 25K for football games, and an on campus stadium is being considered at Temple. There would need to be sustained commitment to football for sure and hopefully improvement.

Cincinnati was bounced in round 1 of the NCAA basketball tournament by Creighton. Had Duke not turned the ball over unnecessarily trying to score late in the Charlotte Bowl, Cincinnati would have lost their bowl game too.

My suggestion of Temple is simply a comparison of the Philadelphia and Cincinnati market size. Temple is actually the better academic institution as well if you look at that comparison.
 
Neither does Cincinnati. It's simply a matter of "Do you want access to the 3 million television set Philadephia DMA?" or "Do you want access to the 900 thousand television set Cincinnati DMA?" Temple is already in good shape with Basketball. They reached the round of 32 in last year's NCAA men's tournament. They beat NC State in round 1 and lost to a close game to Indiana which they led in round 2. They average 25K for football games, and an on campus stadium is being considered at Temple. There would need to be sustained commitment to football for sure and hopefully improvement.

Cincinnati was bounced in round 1 of the NCAA basketball tournament by Creighton. Had Duke not turned the ball over unnecessarily trying to score late in the Charlotte Bowl, Cincinnati would have lost their bowl game too.

My suggestion of Temple is simply a comparison of the Philadelphia and Cincinnati market size. Temple is actually the better academic institution as well if you look at that comparison.
Temple has always been pretty good in BB but there still not even the most popular CBB team in Philly!(Villanova is)If John Chaney couldn't make them Phillys team how is anyone else gonna help them carry any market ?And I've always admired Temple for the steadiness of their hoops program and no ones trying harder in CFB!I'd like to see them catch on "at least in the Philly area"!Its a shame right after they move back into the BE it collapses and outside of UConn its the only other team I wish would find a good home in CR but as a private the ACC is their only option being in the NE!How can anyone not pull for Bill Cosby?
 
Neither does Cincinnati. It's simply a matter of "Do you want access to the 3 million television set Philadephia DMA?" or "Do you want access to the 900 thousand television set Cincinnati DMA?" Temple is already in good shape with Basketball. They reached the round of 32 in last year's NCAA men's tournament. They beat NC State in round 1 and lost to a close game to Indiana which they led in round 2. They average 25K for football games, and an on campus stadium is being considered at Temple. There would need to be sustained commitment to football for sure and hopefully improvement.

Cincinnati was bounced in round 1 of the NCAA basketball tournament by Creighton. Had Duke not turned the ball over unnecessarily trying to score late in the Charlotte Bowl, Cincinnati would have lost their bowl game too.

My suggestion of Temple is simply a comparison of the Philadelphia and Cincinnati market size. Temple is actually the better academic institution as well if you look at that comparison.

Penn State can't sell the Philly DMA (the BTN has failed to raise enough there) so I imagine Temple wouldn't either.
 
Neither does Cincinnati. It's simply a matter of "Do you want access to the 3 million television set Philadephia DMA?" or "Do you want access to the 900 thousand television set Cincinnati DMA?" Temple is already in good shape with Basketball. They reached the round of 32 in last year's NCAA men's tournament. They beat NC State in round 1 and lost to a close game to Indiana which they led in round 2. They average 25K for football games, and an on campus stadium is being considered at Temple. There would need to be sustained commitment to football for sure and hopefully improvement.

Cincinnati was bounced in round 1 of the NCAA basketball tournament by Creighton. Had Duke not turned the ball over unnecessarily trying to score late in the Charlotte Bowl, Cincinnati would have lost their bowl game too.

My suggestion of Temple is simply a comparison of the Philadelphia and Cincinnati market size. Temple is actually the better academic institution as well if you look at that comparison.
You puzzle me?You always promote Temple as though their some kind of sleeping giant yet denigrate a true emerging giant(hopefully) like RU?Hmm..are you a closet Temple fan?I hope so because you don't appear stupid and who else but a fan would be so delusional about a decent,hardworking but no-buzz school?Thats saying more than I'd like because I respect them and wish them the best but how high is their ceiling?Have they reached it?Now UConn is a state flagship school,ready in all sports and supported in a large area(NYC/Conn/RI/Boston) who should already be in a B5 conference and there still sweating it and by bringing Temple into the conversation until thats settled is ludicrous especially here!I'd only think Temple would be considered after the big dogs are taken care of or say if the conferences expand to 18/20!
 
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Penn State can't sell the Philly DMA (the BTN has failed to raise enough there) so I imagine Temple wouldn't either.
Upstater,ha ha we think alot alike and at the same times.We probably hit send at the same moment?I'm puzzled that anyone who supposedly knows the area could be so naive or ill informed as stimpy?He's even gone so far as saying Temple would carry parts of Md and S.Jersey?Where does he get his info?On the fan"Mike "the sleeping host" Francesca?I'll bet he's a very young guy!?!
 
Upstater,ha ha we think alot alike and at the same times.We probably hit send at the same moment?I'm puzzled that anyone who supposedly knows the area could be so naive or ill informed as stimpy?He's even gone so far as saying Temple would carry parts of Md and S.Jersey?Where does he get his info?On the fan"Mike "the sleeping host" Francesca?I'll bet he's a very young guy!?!

In fairness, PSU has the level of support in that area. At a party in Bucks Cty. once, my wife made a joke about Paterno's high waters and coke bottles to her mother's friend. The room became silent like you insulted the Pope in a room full of flagellants. The problem isn't the level of support for PSU (it's through the roof) but rather it's Comcast's refusal to have anything to do with a Chicago "outfit." Nicky, I think PSU's problems would also apply to Rutgers in the NYC DMA. Delany bit off more than he can chew, but you have nothing to apologize for. You're in. It's his problem if he can't sell BTN to NYC.
 
Penn State can't sell the Philly DMA (the BTN has failed to raise enough there) so I imagine Temple wouldn't either.
To sell Philadelphia, you have to have basketball. The Eagles is all the city needs for football. For College Sports, Philadelphia focuses on basketball. The city has sponsored several major events of the NCAA Men's basketball tournament including the final four over the years. I don't see much basketball coming from Penn State. I don't remember them winning the NCAA basketball tournament. I'm not sure I remember them being in the field of 64. In basketball, Philadelphia sponsors the Big 5 (Temple, Villanova, Pennsylvania, LaSalle, and St. Joe's). I find it similar to the Big 4 in North Carolina albeit I can only remember Villanova winning a championship where the NC Big 4 has three different schools winning one. I know most of the emphasis of Conference Realignment focuses on football, but in the East Basketball is also very important and the ACC plays it competitively. It's the primary reason UConn is a great fit too. Temple is coming out of the Atlantic 10 where they are very competitive. Upgrading to the ACC from the A10 is not as large a jump as from the Mid America Conference would be.

Of all of the Philadelphia Big 5 only Temple has FBS football. I'm assuming Villanova has nixed the idea. Work would be necessary to provide further emphasis here to grow the Temple football program and to overcome poor performance in the 80s and 90s. I see a recent renovation of the football complex taking place. The building of an indoor practice facility. The bowl victory at the New Mexico Bowl. Discussion from the Temple President about an on Campus Stadium. This is all having been in the Mid America Conference. What can they do in the American Athletic?

I don't view the work Temple must do in football as any more challenging than the work involved with Cincinnati, who is also located in a professional town. Cincinnati has Ohio State in the area much like Temple would have Penn State. Because of the size of the market, for Cincinnati to overcome the popularity of Ohio State could possibly be more difficult than for Temple to overcome Penn State. Ohio State is competitive in basketball losing any advantage in basketball. Both schools would get the anticipated ACC Network on the air in their respective markets. I just think Temple has a bigger one to work with.

This is probably all a moot point because many of the current ACC members will always view Temple as the Temple of the 90s in the Big East Conference and are not open to consider Temple. I see Temple as great market presence opportunity for the ACC. They see Temple as a bad football team in the 90s that no one supported including the school prompting expulsion from the Big East. Villanova was blocking Temple basketball the whole time, so the Big East never had the experience of Temple basketball. It was in the Atlantic 10. I am interested in how the school will do now that they have everything in the same place.
 
You puzzle me?You always promote Temple as though their some kind of sleeping giant yet denigrate a true emerging giant(hopefully) like RU?Hmm..are you a closet Temple fan?I hope so because you don't appear stupid and who else but a fan would be so delusional about a decent,hardworking but no-buzz school?Thats saying more than I'd like because I respect them and wish them the best but how high is their ceiling?Have they reached it?Now UConn is a state flagship school,ready in all sports and supported in a large area(NYC/Conn/RI/Boston) who should already be in a B5 conference and there still sweating it and by bringing Temple into the conversation until thats settled is ludicrous especially here!I'd only think Temple would be considered after the big dogs are taken care of or say if the conferences expand to 18/20!

I don't think either Philadelphia or New York cares much about college football unless it is Notre Dame in the case of New York. Both towns are College Basketball towns when it comes to college athletics. I do see Temple as a great opportunity to bring ACC basketball to the Philadelphia market, which I do believe would get a buzz about ACC basketball with regular visits from all the ACC schools plus Syracuse and hopefully Connecticut. Temple basketball is competitive enough to win its share of these games. I do prefer the addition of UConn before Temple a I've stated here many times. I'm really comparing Temple more with Cincinnati as some keep suggesting Cincinnati.

Temple has a lot of work to do in football to become a regular bowl team, and they would especially in the ACC. So would UConn or Cincinnati BTW. I don't see a major difference other than Cincinnati has now hired a high profile coach. I don't consider Rutgers as Rutgers is going to the Big Ten and isn't a consideration.
 
I don't think either Philadelphia or New York cares much about college football unless it is Notre Dame in the case of New York. Both towns are College Basketball towns when it comes to college athletics. I do see Temple as a great opportunity to bring ACC basketball to the Philadelphia market, which I do believe would get a buzz about ACC basketball with regular visits from all the ACC schools plus Syracuse and hopefully Connecticut. Temple basketball is competitive enough to win its share of these games. I do prefer the addition of UConn before Temple a I've stated here many times. I'm really comparing Temple more with Cincinnati as some keep suggesting Cincinnati.

Temple has a lot of work to do in football to become a regular bowl team, and they would especially in the ACC. So would UConn or Cincinnati BTW. I don't see a major difference other than Cincinnati has now hired a high profile coach. I don't consider Rutgers as Rutgers is going to the Big Ten and isn't a consideration.

You're underrating PSU in the Philly market. They care A LOT about college football there.
 
Penn State can't sell the Philly DMA (the BTN has failed to raise enough there) so I imagine Temple wouldn't either.


That's more of a function of the number of regional cable providers in the area though - PSU's presence did get carriage on all the national providers I'm aware of.
 
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I don't think either Philadelphia or New York cares much about college football unless it is Notre Dame in the case of New York. Both towns are College Basketball towns when it comes to college athletics. I do see Temple as a great opportunity to bring ACC basketball to the Philadelphia market, which I do believe would get a buzz about ACC basketball with regular visits from all the ACC schools plus Syracuse and hopefully Connecticut. Temple basketball is competitive enough to win its share of these games. I do prefer the addition of UConn before Temple a I've stated here many times. I'm really comparing Temple more with Cincinnati as some keep suggesting Cincinnati.

Temple has a lot of work to do in football to become a regular bowl team, and they would especially in the ACC. So would UConn or Cincinnati BTW. I don't see a major difference other than Cincinnati has now hired a high profile coach. I don't consider Rutgers as Rutgers is going to the Big Ten and isn't a consideration.
OK Stimp I get where your coming from but because of the B5 in hoops and PSU,Md and RU just to name a few CBB is spread to thin for any one school to truly dominate the market enough to "emerge" but I too would like to see Temple do better esp in there own market!NYC area cares more about CFB than you know but only when your winning and ND isn't as popular as they once were in NYC area and aren't sure if they will ever be as popular as in the 60s'/70s again but they don't have to be as there national anyways with old line catholics....heck then again the catholic church isn't as popular as then either!I myself really don't see what the ACC coming around the east is gonna give them that BE hoop's could'nt?Maybe Duke has some shine but nobody cares much about FSU,Clemson,Miami,GT etc etc hoops in the NE?But what do I know?I just like traditional NE sports that local folks can get excited about when the conferences made more geographical sense and we didn't need ESPin to tell us who was or wasn't a rival or relevant?btw I wouldn't expect ESPin to get that ACC network up too soon as they already control it ....why would they compete with themselves?
 
Or maybe Villanova?Bigger hoops brand in Philly,S.Jersey and MD with an ambitious FB program?Or Seton Hall maybe by just adding a FB program to there BB program for the NJ/NY megalopolis?

Since when does Villanova have an ambitious FB program? They were D-1 (FBS) in the 1970's until they dropped FB all together. They brought FB back, but at the D-1AA (FCS) level. They have thought about moving up to FBS, but so far have not done so. They are a good FCS program, but I wouldn't call them ambitious.

I'm also not so sure that they are the bigger hoops brand in Philly. Philly tends to get behind whichever Big-5 school is doing best at the time, often that is Nova, but Temple and St Joes have also had their moments in the sun.
 
Since when does Villanova have an ambitious FB program? They were D-1 (FBS) in the 1970's until they dropped FB all together. They brought FB back, but at the D-1AA (FCS) level. They have thought about moving up to FBS, but so far have not done so. They are a good FCS program, but I wouldn't call them ambitious.

I'm also not so sure that they are the bigger hoops brand in Philly. Philly tends to get behind whichever Big-5 school is doing best at the time, often that is Nova, but Temple and St Joes have also had their moments in the sun.

The difference is that Villanova has been almost annually competitive in the country's best basketball conference, has gone to multiple Final Fours, and, has won a national championship. No matter than their title was 28 years ago. They have still won it all before.

Neither Temple, nor, St Joe's, have done that. That is why VU is the Philly area's biggest hoops brand. Just my .02 worth.
 
The difference is that Villanova has been almost annually competitive in the country's best basketball conference, has gone to multiple Final Fours, and, has won a national championship. No matter than their title was 28 years ago. They have still won it all before.

Neither Temple, nor, St Joe's, have done that. That is why VU is the Philly area's biggest hoops brand. Just my .02 worth.


Let us assure you that wanton success in basketball counts for roughly nothing.

You can trust us on that one.
 
I don't think either Philadelphia or New York cares much about college football unless it is Notre Dame in the case of New York. Both towns are College Basketball towns when it comes to college athletics. I do see Temple as a great opportunity to bring ACC basketball to the Philadelphia market, which I do believe would get a buzz about ACC basketball with regular visits from all the ACC schools plus Syracuse and hopefully Connecticut. Temple basketball is competitive enough to win its share of these games. I do prefer the addition of UConn before Temple a I've stated here many times. I'm really comparing Temple more with Cincinnati as some keep suggesting Cincinnati.

Pennsylvania is a football state. Just as much so as either Florida, Georgia, or Ohio. Philadelphia itself might be more basketball crazy, but, PSU is for sure a big deal there. The B1G's issue in Philadelphia is about Comcast, not PSU itself.

I do see your point about Temple, were they a member of the ACC. The Philadelphia DMA would indeed help make up for losing Maryland, but, I couldn't see much of anybody within the ACC being all that excited about bringing them onboard. Basketball aside, what else could the rest of the ACC get excited about?

If the likes of FSU and CU voted down UConn, with its better hoops and Olympic sports, and, access to an even bigger market than Philadelphia, IMHO, they wouldn't give Temple a second thought.

Temple has a lot of work to do in football to become a regular bowl team, and they would especially in the ACC. So would UConn or Cincinnati BTW. I don't see a major difference other than Cincinnati has now hired a high profile coach. I don't consider Rutgers as Rutgers is going to the Big Ten and isn't a consideration.

Coming into the ACC, I think Cincinnati would be competitive in football straight away. They've put up a pretty good record the past six seasons, and, looked good out of the gate last week. They've made good head coaching hires as each successive coach has moved on, and now, they have one who is a proven winner at the highest level of the sport. The results speak for themselves.

UConn needed a good new HC after Edsall left. They didn't get one. Theres no energy around the program, from what the guys here, and, fans on their Rivals board, say. They've been to a BCS bowl, less than 10 years after getting into the FBS. Thats pretty danged good. The state of Connecticut produces decent HSFB talent, and, they need somebody to keep it at home. Had they continued on with what Edsall had gotten them to, they'd be in the ACC right now. Theres no disputing that.

If we ever get to 16 teams, they will be that team, IMHO. It just makes too much sense to not lock down New England, and, the northeast, at the same time, by taking them. It locks up the east coast for the ACC, and, effectively locks the B1G out. Win-win. Not to mention what their hoops programs and Olympic sports would do for any future ACCN.
 
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The difference is that Villanova has been almost annually competitive in the country's best basketball conference, has gone to multiple Final Fours, and, has won a national championship. No matter than their title was 28 years ago. They have still won it all before.

Neither Temple, nor, St Joe's, have done that. That is why VU is the Philly area's biggest hoops brand. Just my .02 worth.

That is a good point. I agree that from a national standpoint Villanova is the bigger brand. I was thinking more along the lines of what the typical Philadelphian on the street would say if you asked them who the favorite CBB team. My guess would be that whoever was having the most success at the time would get the most votes, but that is just a guess (and may not be all that relevant anyway).
 
That is a good point. I agree that from a national standpoint Villanova is the bigger brand. I was thinking more along the lines of what the typical Philadelphian on the street would say if you asked them who the favorite CBB team. My guess would be that whoever was having the most success at the time would get the most votes, but that is just a guess (and may not be all that relevant anyway).

Temple really adds nothing right now that a big conference would want BUT the school has come a very long way largely because of demographic changes. It's in Philly. People like to be in Philly. It's a state school with a lot of students. It is building dorms in what used to be one of the roughest Philly neighborhoods as late as the 1990s. Its academic reputation is rising. The state of PA does not support its colleges and universities well, and for such a big state to have only 2 such well regarded universities when it needs many more creates a huge bottleneck that Temple can exploit. It's going to be a slow slog but 30 years from now, Temple will be a survivor. A very good place. It's not that far behind Cincy either.

If the conference game wouldn't so rigged, you'd sell stock in many P5 schools and buy stock in Temple.

That being said, it is rigged, and reality is against them. It's against UConn too!
 
Temple really adds nothing right now that a big conference would want BUT the school has come a very long way largely because of demographic changes. It's in Philly. People like to be in Philly. It's a state school with a lot of students. It is building dorms in what used to be one of the roughest Philly neighborhoods as late as the 1990s. Its academic reputation is rising. The state of PA does not support its colleges and universities well, and for such a big state to have only 2 such well regarded universities when it needs many more creates a huge bottleneck that Temple can exploit. It's going to be a slow slog but 30 years from now, Temple will be a survivor. A very good place. It's not that far behind Cincy either.

If the conference game wouldn't so rigged, you'd sell stock in many P5 schools and buy stock in Temple.

That being said, it is rigged, and reality is against them. It's against UConn too!

This is my point. I agree with this totally. Unfortunately, it is a tough sell to other members of the ACC because of the performance of Temple football in the 90s, which was poor. That was the transformative years when the major Eastern Independents were moving their football into conferences and with their basketball and Olympic sports in the Atlantic 10, Temple's football program was without much direction. They have everything together now in the AAC, so we'll see what they can do. I see potential in a large eastern market that could help the ACC. It's up to Temple to show everyone what they can do while in the AAC.

I'm also old school, and I see Cincinnati as another Midwestern school. The ACC is the Eastern Conference. Louisville and Notre Dame are great additions. I'm happy with them, but they are enough from the Midwest Connecticut and Temple are Eastern, so I prefer that direction. I'd even prefer figuring out a way to invite West Virginia than to load up with more in the Midwest. I don't have anything against the Midwest, but the Big Ten and the Mid American Conference are the Midwestern leagues. They should have the Midwestern teams.
 
ACC is a Southern conference with the old Big East bolted on. There is nothing in common between a school in the Carolinas and any state north of the Mason-Dixon line.
 
Coming into the ACC, I think Cincinnati would be competitive in football straight away. They've put up a pretty good record the past six seasons, and, looked good out of the gate last week. They've made good head coaching hires as each successive coach has moved on, and now, they have one who is a proven winner at the highest level of the sport. The results speak for themselves.

UConn needed a good new HC after Edsall left. They didn't get one. Theres no energy around the program, from what the guys here, and, fans on their Rivals board, say. They've been to a BCS bowl, less than 10 years after getting into the FBS. Thats pretty danged good. The state of Connecticut produces decent HSFB talent, and, they need somebody to keep it at home. Had they continued on with what Edsall had gotten them to, they'd be in the ACC right now. Theres no disputing that.

If we ever get to 16 teams, they will be that team, IMHO. It just makes too much sense to not lock down New England, and, the northeast, at the same time, by taking them. It locks up the east coast for the ACC, and, effectively locks the B1G out. Win-win. Not to mention what their hoops programs and Olympic sports would do for any future ACCN.

I get the Penn State and Comcast issue in Philadelphia for the Big Ten. What I'm concerned with is the ACC in Philadelphia, and I'd prefer for the ACC to have presence in Philadelphia than in Cincinnati. That's all. I remember how awful Georgia Tech basketball was when they were invited. At that time the ACC cared more about basketball, but Georgia Tech was invited because the league wanted to be in Atlanta. I see the Temple/Philly idea as the same.

Connecticut should be choice 16 for sure. UConn runs a very successful athletic department overall, is a power in basketball, and is competitive in football. Connecticut both solidifies New England and enhances presence in New York for the ACC. The school is similar in size, demographic, and academic mission with many members of the ACC, especially the public schools. There is also much familiarity and rivalry with all the former Big East members. I still, however toy with the idea of going to 20 and what options are out there to enhance the league.
 
ACC is a Southern conference with the old Big East bolted on. There is nothing in common between a school in the Carolinas and any state north of the Mason-Dixon line.

North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Duke, Miami, and Georgia Tech are all full of students from the northeast, and each has many alumni in the northeast. I would agree that this is not really the case with Clemson, NC State, and Florida State. One of the reasons Boston College joined the ACC in 2003 was to recruit students from the southeastern Atlantic states. I know that Syracuse, Pitt, and Notre Dame all want to do this as well because demographically it makes the most sense.

As far as the ACC having the old Big East bolted on, Miami and Virginia Tech are assimilated very well. Boston College has had more of a challenge, but with Notre Dame, Pitt, and Syracuse, it will help them. Connecticut would help even more. I can't speak for Connecticut, but I would think the UConn fans would enjoy all the good basketball competition that would involve rejoining Syracuse and picking up the Carolina Schools to play.
 
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