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[ctchamps]

Most Seminoles don't really want to go back to the days of living in chickees and spearing fish and frogs for dinner...

Like all of us, they relish their history but live in the present.

But migration and pushing populations has been the way of the world....since before the Neanderthals got pushed out and replaced, since before Celts swooped out of northern europe to push out the picts, only to be pushed out by angles and Saxons, who themselves were pushed by Norse and Normans.

And the hispanic and black populations will eventually submerge the white european based population in the US...it is inevitable. The world will spin on.

I agree. Just playing with the blue hair humor. Wasn't really serious.

 

[itgoeslike]

FSU will do OK in SOS....FSU as a one loss ACC Champ will hold up well enough in most years.

They play OK State, Notre Dame, and Florida in OOC in 2014...as long as Florida and Clemson play well, and Miami is respectable...FSU will be OK.

If it was an 8 team playoff, I like their chances, but with four spots they are up against an SEC conference that has 6 teams ranked in top 13 (which could be the deal in 2014) and potential 1-loss B1G 12 and PAC teams. A 1-loss Ohio State would also have a problem getting a nod. Going undefeated is the only likely way to earn a spot (a la Notre Dame). If the ACC collectively starts winning high profile OOC match ups it will help their cause.

 

[Adios]

Given that UConn has won more hoop titles in men's and women's hoop than basically everyone in the past decade and a half and that they're quite good at both baseball and soccer, I'd say that those sports don't count for much.

Then again, most of the schools poached from the Big East have sucked ass at football and most of the schools in the conferences that did the poaching also suck ass...maybe this s--- was just naked greed? (And a healthy dollop of ACC jealousy over their fading hoop brand.)

Football's just a convenient cover.

It's all image. UConn's too new at the top-tier in football. We'll get to the B1G or the ACC (or Big XII) in a matter of time.

 

[Adios]

And the hispanic and black populations will eventually submerge the white european based population in the US...it is inevitable. The world will spin on.

Not African-Americans but Latinos, yes. Loads of Latinos are "pure-blooded" Spaniards or whoever else. It's not as if they are all mestizo or pardo. There's even Arabs in South America. East Asians, too, etc.

 

[billybud]

Butch...I am a Floridian...my wife is a Texan. And hispanic populations in mexico, central america and the carribean show very different genetic makeups.

South Florida is heavily hispanic...Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Central Americans.......and Florida's hispanics are different from the hispanic population of my wife's home state of Texas who are heavily mexican in origin. Native ameican genes heavily influence the native population of Mexico. And carribean natives have a much higher african gene influence due to colonial slave holding and little comparative native american influence due to the native populations being wiped out by disease/warfare fairly early.

I am very interested in genetics and I find populations and genealogy interesting. My son's DNA was tested and haplotypes mapped as part of our family project (wife's brother did the same).

"Admixture in the present day Mexican American population has occurred over the past 500 years, during the post-Columbian era of the New World. As noted before (FBPP Investigators 2002), this Latino population is composed primarily of European and Native American ancestry, with a modest amount of African ancestry. Our overall estimates of average Native American (39%), European (57%) and African (4%) ancestry in this population from Starr County, Texas are quite similar to what was observed for a sample of Mexicans from Mexico City by Wang et al. (2008), with corresponding proportions of 40, 57 and 3%, respectively.

"Despite both being Latino populations, Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are actually quite distinct regarding their genetic as well a social and demographic histories. On average, Mexicans are primarily European and Native American in ancestry, with a modest African contribution (Tang et al. 2006); by contrast, Puerto Ricans have substantial African ancestry and more modest Native American ancestry (Tang et al. 2007). It is intriguing to consider the possibility that different environmental exposures operated on these populations with distinct genetic admixtures to produce differing patterns of selection. Both populations were subjected to prevalent endemic infectious diseases in the years following the Spanish conquest, a time when selection may have operated in the formation of these new admixed populations."

 

[FfldCntyFan]

The Seminoles support FSU's use of their name and symbolism...and do so forcefully, in writing and testimony before the NCAA.

Yeah, that was part of the deal that led to casinos popping up in their state.

 

[billybud]

Yeah, that was part of the deal that led to casinos popping up in their state.

...in 1979, the Florida Seminoles opened the first tribally operated high-stakes bingo hall in North America. They are now closing in on $800 million a year in gambling receipts.

The Seminole Tribe is a federally recognized tribe with certain sovereign powers and the federal 1988 Indian Gaming Regulatory Act forced states to negotiate in "good faith" with the reservations re gaming.

The Seminole Tribe sued Florida's governor for not negotiating in good faith and it went as far as the US Supreme Court.

The Supreme's held (5-4) that States (too) are sovereign entities under the eleventh amendment of the constitution and may not be sued...This argument is being used as a twist by U. Maryland vs the ACC. The Maryland lawyers maintain that the university is the arm of the state and may not be sued by the ACC.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

As someone who has lived in Connecticut for more than fifty years I am fully aware of the difference between a high stakes bingo hall and a casino. I also remember the issues that Native American groups (Golden Hill Paugussett comes to mind) looking to open a casino run into if they are unable to secure land.

Tell me, how many casinos are there in southern Florida? Are they located on land that was term reservation land and property of the said native American peoples for any extended length of time prior to becoming casinos?

Kid yourself all you want.

 

[upstater]

Total BCS appearances in rankings....Top 10

FSU and VT are in top 10....No BE teams. When Miami left, the top of the draw left.


Heck...WVU won their BCS games but lost 2 of their last 3 bowl games against the ACC...and is 3-8 vs the ACC in bowls since 1989.

Do you really want us to put the BE's BCS record up against the ACCs?

Appearances? You get appearances for beating a weak OOC (VT knows all about that) and then a weak conference. Ask Boise St. about that.

Read this: http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2010/4/26/1444886/sec-dominates-bcs-automatic

 

[ctchamps]

Butch...I am a Floridian...my wife is a Texan. And hispanic populations in mexico, central america and the carribean show very different genetic makeups.

South Florida is heavily hispanic...Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Central Americans.......and Florida's hispanics are different from the hispanic population of my wife's home state of Texas who are heavily mexican in origin. Native ameican genes heavily influence the native population of Mexico. And carribean natives have a much higher african gene influence due to colonial slave holding and little comparative native american influence due to the native populations being wiped out by disease/warfare fairly early.

I am very interested in genetics and I find populations and genealogy interesting. My son's DNA was tested and haplotypes mapped as part of our family project (wife's brother did the same).

"Admixture in the present day Mexican American population has occurred over the past 500 years, during the post-Columbian era of the New World. As noted before (FBPP Investigators 2002), this Latino population is composed primarily of European and Native American ancestry, with a modest amount of African ancestry. Our overall estimates of average Native American (39%), European (57%) and African (4%) ancestry in this population from Starr County, Texas are quite similar to what was observed for a sample of Mexicans from Mexico City by Wang et al. (2008), with corresponding proportions of 40, 57 and 3%, respectively.

"Despite both being Latino populations, Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are actually quite distinct regarding their genetic as well a social and demographic histories. On average, Mexicans are primarily European and Native American in ancestry, with a modest African contribution (Tang et al. 2006); by contrast, Puerto Ricans have substantial African ancestry and more modest Native American ancestry (Tang et al. 2007). It is intriguing to consider the possibility that different environmental exposures operated on these populations with distinct genetic admixtures to produce differing patterns of selection. Both populations were subjected to prevalent endemic infectious diseases in the years following the Spanish conquest, a time when selection may have operated in the formation of these new admixed populations."

Did he breakdown the Native American, European and African components?

 

[btstimpy]

The BE was better at football than the ACC if you look at BCS bowls, championships, top ranked teams and wins. Pretty much in all metrics. The thing is, however, that West Virginia was the team that carried it, and now it's in the B12. When it came to Cuse, Pitt and Louisville, UConn had a winning record against these three in the Big East. And UConn was not very good. In other words, the ACC did not pick up the best of the BE, that's for sure.

With Miami and VT, it certainly did, but Miami then imploded. What I couldn't figure out as a BE football fan is how BC managed to make your championship game a couple times. That was a head scratcher. In its entire BE history, BC never finished higher than 3rd.

Matt Ryan was a darn good quarterback. I don't know if BC had anyone as good when they were in the Big East.

 

[upstater]

Matt Ryan was a darn good quarterback. I don't know if BC had anyone as good when they were in the Big East.

Glenn Foley played just as well as Ryan at BC, probably better, even if he didn't have Ryan's ability. Foley had better pass catchers, like Chmura (who also excelled at throwing passes in bathrooms with his daughter's drunk friends).

 

[SouthronCross]

Lets assume the ACC champ has 2 losses and so does ND.

Lets assume its (another) off year in the PAC 12 ie a 3 loss Champ, so we have SEC, B1G, and BIG 12 champs claiming 3 spots. Who does the last one go to - the 2 loss ACC champ, a 2 loss ND, or a 2 loss SEC runner up?

Notice I don't even mention a 1 loss Boise or a 1 loss AAC.

If the 2-loss ACC champ is FSU or Clemson, they may get benefit of the doubt vs ND. Maybe. Provided they'd won their regular season finale vs their SEC arch rival. But, that'd be it. None of the other ACC schools would.

A 1-loss AAC or Boise is another thing altogether.

We have A LOT to prove as a league on the field. No doubt about it.

 

[SubbaBub]

With the new committee, you will see a gradual if not quick gravitation toward giving the top 4 conference champions preference for playoff berths. This will happen provided said champions are also the regular season champion and or don't have more than 2 loses.

A 11-2 SEC non-champ will pass over the ACC champ if the ACC champ is 10-3 and the SEC loss is in the CCG

The G5 Champ will need to be 13-0 or 12-1 and win their CCG.

 

[upstater]

If the 2-loss ACC champ is FSU or Clemson, they may get benefit of the doubt vs ND. Maybe. Provided they'd won their regular season finale vs their SEC arch rival. But, that'd be it. None of the other ACC schools would.

A 1-loss AAC or Boise is another thing altogether.

We have A LOT to prove as a league on the field. No doubt about it.

It all depends on the B12. If Texas or Oklahoma don't win the B12, a spot may open for a 1 loss team from the ACC. If Texas or Oklahoma are one loss, the ACC team is then sunk.

 

[SouthronCross]

I don't understand why the ACC doesn't have south-north divisions as it is. That would give more juice to the championship game.

Because it would mean that UVA and VPI would be placed in the North Division, and, they are both absolutely opposed to it. UVA would be separated from their longtime ACC rivals, and, VPI does not want to play a former BE-heavy league schedule.

The one caveat is Miami would be in the North Division, and, play teams from markets where the majority of their alumni and students are from. At their request, IIRC.

The Southern flank would do it in a minute. It makes the most sense, and, it would cut down on travel for everybody.

One thing that has been floated, if the divisions remain as they are, is to let the schools schedule a fellow ACC teams as an OOC game in the years they do not play, i.e., Carolina-Wake, FSU-GT, Clemson-VPI, etc. That could work.

 

[SouthronCross]

I have to admit, I'm pulling for UCONN to the B1G. But because CR beggars can't be choosers, here are my highly scientific, highly hypothetical division alignments should the ACC expand to 16 without ND as a full member.

ACC North - BCu, Fruit, Pitt, UCONN, UVA, Va Tech, UNC, NC State
ACC South - Miami, Clemson, Louisville, Ga Tech, FSU, Duke, Wake, USF/UCF

Neither Carolina nor State will ever vote for, or accept, those divisions. They'd would be in the South, or, vote to leave the divisions as they are. Louisville is geographically further north, and,Miami is a better fit, since the majority of their alumni are from the northeast. Ditto the Dukies.


If the ACC were to go to 16 teams, they will ask Notre Dame to join fulltime. If they say no, the league will ask them to leave, IMHO. They won't allow them to leave their Olympic sports here in that case.


Plus, theres no way that either USF or UCF will ever get an ACC invite.

7 division games and 2 alternating/rotating division games (rotation with Notre Dame also) for 9 total conference games. Division winners play for conference championship, highest BCS rating (or whatever rating they want to use to measure schedule strength) hosts at their home stadium. More often than not, an ACC South team is going to have the higher SOS rating because more of the typical football powers are in that division. However, the undefeated ACC North winner will also have a shot at hosting. Bottomline: North hosts if they run the table, South hosts if they don't. That should keep the southern schools happy, no? Not to mention, the money making machines of the southern football schools will continue to sellout based on the traveling fanbases of the south and quality of the games.

I could go along with this, only I would just rotate the FB CCG between Charlotte and a stadium designated by the North Division teams. Maybe Fed Ex Field? I bet the Redskins would go along with that. Both stadia are fairly centrally located for the majority of the league's schools.

Basketball: annually held at MSG or Barclay's. The roles reverse once winter comes. The North is the unequaled heavyweight by far so they are rewarded with a closer tourney location. Plus, NYC > Greensboro (sorry Greensboro residents). UNC and Duke are big enough heavyweights where they will get very good representation in NYC.

Just make it MSG. I believe all 16 teams would go along with this.

 

[itgoeslike]

With the new committee, you will see a gradual if not quick gravitation toward giving the top 4 conference champions preference for playoff berths. This will happen provided said champions are also the regular season champion and or don't have more than 2 loses.

A 11-2 SEC non-champ will pass over the ACC champ if the ACC champ is 10-3 and the SEC loss is in the CCG

The G5 Champ will need to be 13-0 or 12-1 and win their CCG.

I don't think a 2 loss ACC champ gets into a four team playoff. Undefeated teams aside, two 1-loss SEC teams and 1-loss champions from the Big 12, PAC and even the B1G will be tough for a 1-loss ACC team to overcome. Even then, only top brands like FSU will get the nod (a 1-loss UNC team would have a real tough time). The ACC's only real chance is to play better, win big OOC games and hope for parity in all other leagues. Eventually, and out of necessity, the ACC and B1G will apply enough pressure to expand to playoff to eight, which will probably revert to 5 AQ's and 3 at large. The more things change, the more they stay the same. . .

 

[SouthronCross]

It all depends on the B12. If Texas or Oklahoma don't win the B12, a spot may open for a 1 loss team from the ACC. If Texas or Oklahoma are one loss, the ACC team is then sunk.

I agree, just, not totally. That would depend upon whether or not the loser of their RRR game is as good as Florida (for FSU) or South Carolina (Clemson).

If FSU or CU have beaten their SEC arch rivals, maybe they get the nod. Maybe even Georgia Tech, at a stretch. Maybe. A 12-1 GT, with a win over a good Georgia team would have to be given consideration, too, IMHO.

Still, a lot has to fall our way, thats for sure.

 

[billybud]

As someone who has lived in Connecticut for more than fifty years I am fully aware of the difference between a high stakes bingo hall and a casino. I also remember the issues that Native American groups (Golden Hill Paugussett comes to mind) looking to open a casino run into if they are unable to secure land.

Tell me, how many casinos are there in southern Florida? Are they located on land that was term reservation land and property of the said native American peoples for any extended length of time prior to becoming casinos?

Kid yourself all you want.

All you need to know about Florida casinos...

FLORIDA

Florida has three forms of casino gambling: casino boats, Indian casinos and gaming machines at pari-mutuels in one south Florida county.
The casino boats offers gamblers the opportunity to board ships that cruise offshore where casino gambling is legal. From the east coast the boats sail three miles out into the Atlantic Ocean and from the west coast the boats travel nine miles out into the Gulf of Mexico. Since the casino boats travel in international waters they are free from regulations and the machines can be set to pay back whatever the operator wants without regard to a minimum payback percentage.
Florida has eight Indian gaming locations. The Seminole Tribe has seven and the eighth is on the Miccosukee Tribe’s reservation.

The Seminoles signed a compact with the state that allows them to offer both Class II and traditional Class III gaming machines. As part of their compact, five Seminole casinos are also allowed to offer blackjack (BJ), baccarat (B), mini-baccarat (MB), three card poker (TCP), let it ride (LIR) and pai gow poker (PGP).

The Miccosukee Tribe has not signed a compact and they only offer Class II gaming machines at their casino.

Class II video gaming devices look like slot machines, but are actually bingo games and the spinning reels are for “entertainment purposes only.” No public information is available concerning the payback percentages on any gaming machines in Florida’s Indian casinos.

The other games allowed in all Indian casinos are: high-stakes bingo, video pull tabs, and poker. All of the casinos are open 24 hours (except Big Cypress) and all offer bingo except for both Seminole Hard Rock Casinos and the Seminole Casino Coconut Creek. The minimum gambling age is 18 at all Indian casinos for bingo or poker and 21 for electronic gaming machines.
In early 2005 voters in Broward County (home county of Fort Lauderdale) passed a referendum to allow slot machines at four pari-mutuel facilities within that county.

The first slot facility opened in late 2006 and two others followed within six months. The fourth facility, Dania Jai-Alai, has indefinitely postponed the installation of its slot machines.

In January 2008 voters in Miami-Dade County also passed a referendum permitting slot machines at three pari-mutuel facilities. Two facilities have opened and the third, Miami Jai-Alai, is not expected to begin offering slots until mid 2011 at the earliest.
Florida gaming regulations require a minimum payback of 85% on all gaming machines.

 

[itgoeslike]

I agree, just, not totally. That would depend upon whether or not the loser of their RRR game is as good as Florida (for FSU) or South Carolina (Clemson).

If FSU or CU have beaten their SEC arch rivals, maybe they get the nod. Maybe even Georgia Tech, at a stretch. Maybe. A 12-1 GT, with a win over a good Georgia team would have to be given consideration, too, IMHO.

Still, a lot has to fall our way, thats for sure.

The quality of the wins and the quality of the 1 loss will matter for the ACC (whereas a 1-"bad" loss Texas will get a pass). Parity and bad losses among the other four conferences will be the ACC's best ally in getting to the playoffs. I do think an FSU team with 1 "good" loss will likely get the nod over 2-loss champions from the B1G, PAC and perhaps the B1G 12.

 

[Fishy]

If form holds, you will not see many ACC champions in the playoff.

Generally speaking the ACC has finished fifth or sixth in the BCS conference rankings over the past several years - they haven't have a top ten team, let alone a top four team in at least the last four years and I don't think they've had a team finish in the top four in forever.

The top programs are just not at a championship level and the rest of the conference does not stack up well from a strength of schedule viewpoint.

 

[billybud]

I think that the tide is turning for FSU...five straight bowl wins over WVU, Wisconsin, South Carolina, Notre Dame, and NIU...

But Championship match games haven't been easy easy to come by if you aren't in the SEC. Heck...How many BCS championships has Michigan played for? Even Ohio State played for about the same as FSU.

I am not particularly concerned...If FSU plays well and runs the table, they will be there. If they don't, they shouldn't be there anyway.

 

[billybud]

As long as your chosen school plays good opponents, gets exposure on the national stage, plays a decent team in a bowl...all is good.

A 12 win season like FSU's last year, doesn't come around that often so I enjoyed it. A NC playoff birth is mighty nice...but, for me as a fan, it isn't the end all be all.

In the US, it is all about being #1...thus the demand for BCS and playoffs. I have always enjoyed football during the season and the bowl game was always the treat at the end of the year. The recent (past 20 years) emphasis on positioning for the national championship is different then what most of my fan life has experienced.

For me, and many older fans, it is still about playing your rivals, winning your division and conference...the NC is nice, but isn't the driver for us.

 

[NickyNewark]

Most Seminoles don't really want to go back to the days of living in chickees and spearing fish and frogs for dinner...

Like all of us, they relish their history but live in the present.

But migration and pushing populations has been the way of the world....since before the Neanderthals got pushed out and replaced, since before Celts swooped out of northern europe to push out the picts, only to be pushed out by angles and Saxons, who themselves were pushed by Norse and Normans.

And the hispanic and black populations will eventually submerge the white european based population in the US...it is inevitable. The world will spin on.

But still the Celts survived(even in England) in Scotland,Wales,Ireland,Cornwall,Brittany,Australia,SA,NZ,Australia,Canada and became the backbone of America and its culture!Absorbing the Saxon's,Norse,Normans..."who became more Celtic than the Celts themselves" in Great Britain!