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Jerry1714 said:
It's funny you call people out for being stupid in your post but put together a really really uninsightful and stupid post.

Thanks for telling us he can be good if he works hard and becomes a good basketball player and not just a big body. Is your day job a basketball scout?
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Jerry Jerry. Go flex your anonymity elsewhere. I'm not impressed. You haven't expressed a solitary basketball nugget. Take the Corn guy and whine.
 
Don't agree.

We were a better team when/ if Brimah was a rimprotector and gave a semblance of offense. That looked great for a period in late Jan & early Feb. Enoch - again - Needed to earn playing minutes in practice & game play.
 
Brimah was worlds better than Enoch. He may have valid complaints with the coaches, but playing time isn't one of them. He got all the minutes he earned.
 
It doesn't matter what Steve showed or didn't show in practice. Our season was toast early on and Brimah was not coming back next year so playing Enoch more than 8 minutes a game would have given us a chance at a definitive answer whether we had something to work with next year or not. KO wanted Brimah in there because he thought he was going to the NCAA tournament after sweeping the AAC. He was delusional. Enoch had offensive moves that Brimah couldn't dream of. That's not me saying it, it was almost every analyst and broadcaster that watched him. My wife and I were attending the playoffs at the XL and she doesn't even know our team players' names. After 1/2 she asked " why do they keep throwing that tall skinny guy the ball, he fumbles it and can't catch it?". That was the culmination of 4 years. Somewhere down the line something was destroyed between KO and Steve whether he deserved it or not. The coach did not show the player confidence. It has to be pretty bad if you're going to take a year off from a certain starting role so you can sit on a bench. If Enoch turns into a good player in the future that will reflect badly on KO.
 
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jibsey said:
It doesn't matter what Steve showed or didn't show in practice. Our season was toast early on and Brimah was not coming back next year so playing Enoch more than 8 minutes a game would have given us a chance at a definitive answer whether we had something to work with next year or not. KO wanted Brimah in there because he thought he was going to the NCAA tournament after sweeping the AAC. He was delusional. Enoch had offensive moves that Brimah couldn't dream of. That's not me saying it, it was almost every analyst and broadcaster that watched him.
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And yet, he still couldn't score.

Plus, his defense was even worse than Brimah's offense. And D is more important from the center spot than O, especially in UCONNs system.
 
jibsey said:
It doesn't matter what Steve showed or didn't show in practice. Our season was toast early on and Brimah was not coming back next year so playing Enoch more than 8 minutes a game would have given us a chance at a definitive answer whether we had something to work with next year or not. KO wanted Brimah in there because he thought he was going to the NCAA tournament after sweeping the AAC. He was delusional. Enoch had offensive moves that Brimah couldn't dream of. That's not me saying it, it was almost every analyst and broadcaster that watched him. My wife and I were attending the playoffs at the XL and she doesn't even know our team players' names. After 1/2 she asked " why do they keep throwing that tall skinny guy the ball, he fumbles it and can't catch it?". That was the culmination of 4 years. Somewhere down the line something was destroyed between KO and Steve whether he deserved it or not. The coach did not show the player confidence. It has to be pretty bad if you're going to take a year off from a certain starting role so you can sit on a bench. If Enoch turns into a good player in the future that will reflect badly on KO.
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I feel like many never played on a team. Enoch got minutes and opportunity. And UConn - with Brimah and Facey - had opportunities through mid February to exceed where they actually ended up. I AM a big proponent of Steve Enoch's potential. Unfortunately, that kid showed that he couldn't sustain a winning post effort in the last 6 weeks of the season. And I am going to bet that paralleled what he did in practice. I back Ollie in what was a key 2016-2017 development. You nudge Enoch ... but you are not doing your Program nor Steven Enoch any good giving him minutes beyond what he has proven is his. A 20 minute Enoch allotment only should have come with better performance on defense/rebounding and in practice daily. Calhoun would have eaten that kid up.
 
There are some folks on this board, in my view, who are not real good at assessing Bigs. Not comparing the two but when Drummond average nearly double/doubles as a FR - there were many who said he had a bad Freshman year. That was the year Calhoun was in and out all year due to the NCAA and various health reasons. Boatright was also in and out due to the NCAA yet some blamed a disappointing year on a FR who nearly averaged double/doubles.

Quite frankly, I will be blunt Enoch did not get the necessary Big coaching nor was he featured in the offense as much as I think he should have been. Now before Stairmaster jumps all over me saying that I am a Calhoun guy (LOL) - I can assure you Calhoun would refute my assessment of Glen Miller's Bigs Coaching.
 
intlzncster said:
And yet, he still couldn't score.

Plus, his defense was even worse than Brimah's offense. And D is more important from the center spot than O, especially in UCONNs system.
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Enoch was the best offensive Big in practice.
 
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Pudge said:
I feel like many never played on a team. Enoch got minutes and opportunity. And UConn - with Brimah and Facey - had opportunities through mid February to exceed where they actually ended up. I AM a big proponent of Steve Enoch's potential. Unfortunately, that kid showed that he couldn't sustain a winning post effort in the last 6 weeks of the season. And I am going to bet that paralleled what he did in practice. I back Ollie in what was a key 2016-2017 development. You nudge Enoch ... but you are not doing your Program nor Steven Enoch any good giving him minutes beyond what he has proven is his. A 20 minute Enoch allotment only should have come with better performance on defense/rebounding and in practice daily. Calhoun would have eaten that kid up.
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Also, it seems like posters want to throw out the whole "you earn PT in practice" formula which UCONN was built on, all in an effort to retain players. Mind boggling.
 
Chief00 said:
Quite frankly, I will be blunt Enoch did not get the necessary Big coaching nor was he featured in the offense as much as I think he should have been. Now before Stairmaster jumps all over me saying that I am a Calhoun guy (LOL) - I can assure you Calhoun would refute my assessment of Glen Miller's Bigs Coaching.
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intlzncster said:
Also, it seems like posters want to throw out the whole "you earn PT in practice" formula which UConn was built on, all in an effort to retain players. Mind boggling.
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I would in this case. Sorry I'm not psyched for the Cobb Carlton era at center.
 
Chief00 said:
Meant exactly what I said. Calhoun would not agree with my assessment of Glen Miller Bigs coaching ability.
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So either you're saying you really don't know what refute means, or you are saying that you know how to coach basketball better than. Jimmy C?
 
Huskyforlife said:
I would in this case. Sorry I'm not psyched for the Cobb Carlton era at center.
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Why would anyone come to a program where you don't/can't actually earn your playing time? I can't imagine do so.
 
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Chief00 said:
Enoch was the best offensive Big in practice.
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Yeah, but...
1. could he play D? Which is the more important question.
2. that's comparing him to Brimah. lol not the highest of bars there.
3. Didn't seem to be able to translate practice play to game play.
 
Pudge said:
You are wrong

Fast strong hands. Big body. And he could move ... Not lumbering. He did have one impressive game blocking out & rebounding against Meier of Houston. His offense looked promising.

But ... you have to lean towards the explanation that he wasn't responding to Coaching. Because he looked awful a lot.

Redshirt program was made for him. Like Gonzaga has done repeatedly. But from the stands ... you'd have to say that there was a simple disconnect. There is a good possibility that he never will get it.
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So the guy didn't contribute for 2 full seasons, but Pudge says he has strong hands and notes he is tall so may as well throw the on court performance out the window.

Simply put, the kid looked absolutely lost on the court. Maybe that's some coaching (and I've been very critical of Ollie and co.) but there is just a certain innate basketball IQ that some guys either have or don't.

If Enoch showed 1 "plus" characteristic besides his frame I think he could amount to something, but I just don't see it.
 
Somehow I have a visual image in my head of Enoch trying to execute on D in Tricky Ricky's full court press. It's not a pretty picture.

This guy had trouble trying to guard fairly stationary bigs in the paint, and the lane was an open freeway to the hoop every time he entered a game. Attempting to play in Pitino's pressing D will make his head explode.
 
UConnNick said:
Somehow I have a visual image in my head of Enoch trying to execute on D in Tricky Ricky's full court press. It's not a pretty picture.

This guy had trouble trying to guard fairly stationary bigs in the paint, and the lane was an open freeway to the hoop every time he entered a game. Attempting to play in Pitino's pressing D will make his head explode.
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He didn't have trouble guarding bigs, he was worse than that. Enoch may go to Louisville, but unless something miraculous happens over the year he sits out, his role there won't be any different than here.
 
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Fishy said:
Rick Pitino seems to think he's good enough to take up a scholarship for the next three years - Pitino's pretty good at this sort of thing, so perhaps we're wrong and Enoch actually has potential.
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Enoch shot 29.7% in the toughest games of the season (A+B games in KenPom, 17 games) and rebounded less of available defensive rebounds while he was in those game than Christian Vital. He also turned the ball over literally 1 out of every 3 times he touched the ball in those games.
 
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We need to wait and see. He may never develop anywhere and the staff will look just fine. I think he will end up as a good player, and he would have here, but I don't think Louisville giving him an offer means much more than taking a flyer on a huge guy who was highly ranked in HS. Those rankings tend to carry some weight even after the player enrolls.
 
auror said:
Enoch shot 29.7% in the toughest games of the season (A+B games in KenPom) and rebounded less of available defensive rebounds while he was in those game than Christian Vital.
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But Louisville likes him!...so... it's Oregon!
 
walker11 said:
We need to wait and see. He may never develop anywhere and the staff will look just fine. I think he will end up as a good player, and he would have here, but I don't think Louisville giving him an offer means much more than taking a flyer on a huge guy who was highly ranked in HS. Those rankings tend to carry some weight even after the player enrolls.
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It doesn't really matter what Pitino thinks. We saw him for two years and not once did he show he can play impactful minutes on both sides of the floor.
 
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