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vowelguy said:
One interesting question: other than MM, will anyone get to 1000 wins?
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McCallie ????

53 years of age.... around 615 wins. She'd have to average around 23 season to reach 1,000 if she coached to age 70


lawd hammercy if she is still coaching us in 2036.... lawd hammercy
 
chuck.r said:
If Kim Mulkey at 84.8%.... Using her current total of 546 wins and her wins-per-season for the last 8 years (34.4), she can accomplish the feat in 13 years. A long period of time sustaining that rate of success. Mulkey is 56.
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Huh? Seems to me Geno and MM have sustained a long period of success and with Kim in the Big12 there is not the competition that MM has. She now is always recruiting at an elite level. Your statement seems a bit off the mark. So her coaching is not out of the question Until 67 or more, if the motivation is still there. :)
 
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triaddukefan said:
McCallie ????

53 years of age.... around 615 wins. She'd have to average around 23 season to reach 1,000 if she coached to age 70


lawd hammercy if she is still coaching us in 2036.... lawd hammercy
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I am missing something here. She’s 385 wins away, given she should be able to average 25-28 wins a year, that would be 14-16 years. Of course she will be at a completely different school when the contract runs out so...:rolleyes: I got your back Triad!
 
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DefenseBB said:
Huh? Seems to me Geno and MM have sustained a long period of success and with Kim in the Big12 there is not the competition that MM has. She now is always recruiting at an elite level. Your statement seems a bit off the mark. So her coaching is not out of the question Until 67 or more, if the motivation is still there. :)
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Auriemma, of course, has maintained his pace of success for now 25 years. McGraw, though, is not as good an example. I chose the past 8 years in part because that is the period of her & ND's current elite success, starting in 2011 (34.4 wins/season, same as Mulkey). Prior to that, ND's program was far more pedestrian; after 2001 and Ruth Riley's departure, the next nine years ND averaged 22.5 wins/season. The point being for most good programs not named UConn its tough sustaining elite success perpetually for decades. McGraw now has the machine fine-tuned to likely last the rest of her career.

But you are correct that Mulkey appears to have the same sustaining drive for excellence as Geno: She is now coaching her 19th season, and her 18-year winning % (84.8) is actually better than Geno's was at the same point in his career (83.5).* So if anyone appears capable recruiting-wise and coaching-wise to sustain their elite performance level another 13+ years, it would be Mulkey.

* the rest of story, of course, is that after his 1st 18 seasons, Auriemma had achieved 4 NC's and 7 FF's. Kim is stuck for the moment on 2 NC's and 3 FF's. In fact, by the time Geno had coached the same number of games as her current 644, he had added a 5th NC. He had Diana, and Mulkey didn't ;)
 
chuck.r said:
....the rest of the story, of course, is that after his 1st 18 seasons, Auriemma had achieved 4 NC's and 7 FF's. Kim is stuck for the moment on 2 NC's and 3 FF's. In fact, by the time Geno had coached the same number of games as her current 644, he had added a 5th NC. He had Diana, and Mulkey didn't ;)
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To be clear, we were talking about getting to 1,000 wins, not comparing her Resume per se’. Kim still has a lot of work to do to get higher up the victory chain, which I feel pretty good about given her past success.

The landscape of WCBB coaching, I would argue, is significantly different now then when Geno was coming up. Geno didn’t have to coach against...GENO!
Geno did have Pat and Tara but Muffet wasn’t Muffet yet, the PAC12 was only Tara. Now there’s quite a few top notch coaches that Kim has to contend with, Geno, Muffet, Vic, Tara, Karen Aston, Dawn, Scott Rueck to name a few who are getting top talent now.

Again this is about victories not resume’s. My contention is Kim is a notch below Tara, Muffet and of course Geno. I would put her higher than Dawn though.
 
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A major factor is that it's rare for a coach currently under 60 to have started head-coaching in their 20s or even early 30s, and therefore they're not starting early enough start to make a charge on 1,000.

Starting age as head coach:
Summit: 22
Tara: 25
Geno: 31
Hatchell: 23
Stringer: 24
Foster: 30
Conradt: 28
McGraw: 26

Compare those to the starting ages for Mulkey (38) and Walz (36).

I actually think Brenda Frese and Scott Rueck have a good chance.
  • Brenda is 48 years old and is at 496 wins. At her current pace, she'd hit 1,000 at roughly 65.
  • Rueck is 49 years old and is at 474 wins. At his current pace, he'd hit 1,000 at roughly 66.
 
Plebe said:
Unless, of course, you're Tyler Summitt.
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Well nepotism is always good if you have that working for you. Where's he at on the career wins list? I seem to recall it didn't work out all that well for him in the job he was gifted.
 
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Frese has a great chance considering the pitiful non-conference schedule she sets up, plus the mediocrity of the Big 10.
 
vowelguy said:
Uhhh ...

2018: 24
2017: 28
2016: 20
2015: 23

Care to add anything @CamrnCrz1974 ?
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Joanne P McCallie's contract was extended through the end of the 2020-21 season. I am not sure if she will continue coaching beyond that contract -- and if she does, I am not sure that will be at Duke. She has had some health issues in recent years, so I could see her taking a step back.

Then again, she has a son in college and a daughter in graduate school, so there are bills to be paid (assuming Coach P and her husband are paying for school - her daughter had an athletic scholarship to Miami and later to Elon). Also there is the "empty nest" syndrome -- what to do when the kids are out of the house (and her husband -- who is around 68 years old -- is no longer teaching at UNC).

Honestly, it could go either way, whether she stays at Duke after 2021 and whether she stays in coaching.

But 25-28 wins per year is asking quite a bit if the recent trend is any indicator. In her last 4 years at Michigan State, McCallie averaged 25.75 wins per season (after building that program into one of the elite Big Ten teams). In her first 7 seasons at Duke, Coach P averaged 28.8 wins per year. But in the last four years, her Duke teams have averaged 23.75 wins per year.

I am curious to read what @triaddukefan has to say, but I think @vowelguy noted that her recent win totals do not give much encouragement to winning 25-28 games per year.

That being said, Duke loses very little this year, while Louisville and Notre Dame lose quite a bit to graduation. With a healthy Kyra Lambert returning, Duke could be incredibly formidable in 2019-20. A very good season season (say, 28-30 wins, finishing at or near the top of the ACC, and making it to the Sweet 16 or Elite Eight) could bolster recruiting and could lead to Coach P wanting to stay a few more years -- and another contract extension.
 
vowelguy said:
Uhhh ...

2018: 24
2017: 28
2016: 20
2015: 23

Care to add anything @CamrnCrz1974 ?
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VG-you do realize I was kidding right? "Of course she will be at a completely different school when the contract runs out so...:rolleyes:"
 
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Thru 12/16:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara .. . 1036 + 07 =1043
  3. Geno .. . 1027 + 09 =1036
  4. Stevens . 1011 + 12 =1023
  5. Hatchell .1005 + 07 =1012
  6. Stringer . 997 + 07 =1004
  7. Foster ... 903
  8. Conradt .. 900
  9. McGraw ... 888 + 09 = 897
  10. Selvig ... 865
15) Blair .. 765 + 08 = 773 <- Blair jumps to 15th ​
16) Foley .. 768 + 02 = 770​
30) Wilkes . 697 + 05 = 702​
31) Borseth. 691 + 04 = 695​
 
@vowelguy....thank you for doing this.

As a point of "reference": Think of how many seasons "behind" anybody is from anybody else. If Geno quit today, it'd take Muffet about 4 seasons to even get to where Geno is today. Hatchell a season, stringer more than a season.
 
Thru 12/30:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara .. . 1036 + 10 =1046
  3. Geno .. . 1027 + 11 =1038
  4. Stevens . 1011 + 12 =1023
  5. Hatchell .1005 + 09 =1014
  6. Stringer . 997 + 08 =1005
  7. Foster ... 903
  8. Conradt .. 900
  9. McGraw ... 888 + 12 = 900
  10. Selvig ... 865
  11. Landers .. 862
  12. Frdrcksn . 846
  13. Yosinoff . 808 + 08 = 816 <- moved into 13th
  14. Strong . . 815
  15. Blair .... 765 + 11 = 776
  16. Foley .... 768 + 04 = 772
  17. Shirley .. 748 + 11 = 759
  18. Kahler . . 757
  19. Fahey . .. 746 + 08 = 754
  20. Perretta . 746 + 08 = 754
30) Wilkes . 697 + 07 = 704 ​
31) Borseth. 691 + 06 = 697​
 
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Barbara Stevens turned 64 in September. She is six months younger than Geno. She has been coaching at the college/university level for 41 years. She is just 15 wins behind Geno. Geno has been coaching for 33 years,

For the past 32 years Stevens has coached at Bentley University, a Division II school in Waltham, a very nice suburb of Boston. It appears Bentley supports athletics very well, In fact their hockey team plays at DI level. Her record at Bentley has been very good - only one losing season in all 32 years.

Previous to Bentley she did coach at the DI level for three years, at UMass. During those three years her record was 34 wins and 49 loses - NOT very good, In her third year at UMass(her tenth year as a head coach) Barbara played the UConn team whom they had beaten the previous year) now led by a brand new head coach named Auriemma. Geno was coaching in just his seventh game, and we’ve all heard about the conditions he was coaching under. I will leave it to you to guess who won.

In her first six years Stevens was head coach at Clark University, a DIII level school. She did very well at Clark, amassing 123 of her wins there. Did I mention Clark is Division THREE?

As I said above, Stevens is doing a great job at Bentley. We will never know what happened at UMass. Some of it had to have been the pressures of recruiting and scholarships, travel, etc. Clearly, there is a huge difference between DI sports and DII and DIII.

I am not writing this to suggest Stevens be taken off the list. I wouldn’t deign to have the pull or power to suggest such a thing. And furthermore, I think she should be there. She deserves acclimation. And this board, more than any group except for some of the sports media, is made up of people who can provide observation, measurement and acclimation to those in the basketball world who are deserving.

I just wanted to point out that I think the list is appropriate; but, like many similar lists, it contains both Apples and Oranges (and maybe even a Kumquat or two).
 
Amherst's GP Gromacki got his 500th win on Monday. 500-63 all time.
Gromacki rings out 2018 in style

The fastest coach to reach 600 wins is Wash U's Nancy Fahey in 706 games (Geno did it in 716). Gromacki is on pace to smash that record.
 
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