Coaching wins

[triaddukefan]

I note that Coach Hatchell continues to limp along with UNC’s OOC cupcake schedule. So far this season, the Tar Heels have played 1 ranked team, KY, and lost. They also have losses to unranked Maine, CO & tOSU. There best win so far was a 2 pt victory over USF without Laksa.

Bashing the Tarheels?

 

[oldude]

Bashing the Tarheels?

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I know you just like Hatchell because she makes another particularl HC in NC look good in comparison.

 

[triaddukefan]

I know you just like Hatchell because she makes another particularl HC in NC look good in comparison.

You guys want Warlick to remain at TN for a long as possible. I feel the same way about Hatchell

 

[chuck.r]

I agree with Hussybulldog(I’d love to hear the basis for that handle, by the way) that Geno will very likely/most likely pass Tara during (or before?) the NC. I also think he is a safe bet to get to 1099 first.

It’s certainly possible that j66kicker’s scenario comes true and Tara tops Geno in the long run because she coaches longer than he does. And it is very possible she will coach longer. I believe she has a smoother job(I won’t use the word “easier as it sounds condescending). Instead of flying under the radar she seems to almost fly over the radar. She has an easier travel schedule for away games and, most likely for recruiting. Stanford does a lot of her recruiting for her as evidenced anecdotally by my neighbor Haley Jone’s commitment. Her reputation is that of a really great coach with virtually no aspersions cast her way - the epitome of a good role model.

Geno’s reputation on the other hand seems to be that of a really, really, really great coach with just the slightest teeny tiny edge to him. That has caused some unfounded aspersions to be hurled at him from two spots in the country - one in the mid-South and one in the mid-West. I don’t think he lets it bother him, but only he knows for sure.

Muffet is another threat to surpass Geno, albeit a lessor one. Her reputation is teetering right now, but will probably survive due to media suppression. The people at Notre Dumb have the NCAA and everyone associated with it, including ESPN and the rest of the sports media wrapped around their “little” finger and will protect and promote Muffet and her players to the max. Muffet has enough negative energy in her that she will fight as long as she can to surpass him in any way posssible; and this is probably his only record she has a shot at.

McGraw will need to coach 4-5 more seasons after Auriemma hangs 'em up to catch up to him. I tend to think she would also like to coach a bit longer out from under his shadow, perhaps to capture a title or two she left on the table during this recent UConn dynasty. There are more than a few other coaches I imagine who will toast Geno when he retires.

 

[hussybulldog]

McGraw will need to coach 4-5 more seasons after Auriemma hangs 'em up to catch up to him. I tend to think she would also like to coach a bit longer out from under his shadow, perhaps to capture a title or two she left on the table during this recent UConn dynasty. There are more than a few other coaches I imagine who will toast Geno when he retires.

I think Geno will not retire just for the sole reason of being the thorn that pricks MM from time to time. MM wants to portray a persona of cool, funny and mature. Except only pettiness shows up when she loses games which she thinks that are in her pockets. And she does not take jabs very well!

 

[Vowelguy]

Thru 12/9:

1. Summitt . 1098
2. Tara .. . 1036 + 06 =1042
3. Geno .. . 1027 + 09 =1036
4. Stevens . 1011 + 09 =1020
5. Hatchell .1005 + 06 =1011
6. Stringer . 997 + 06 =1003
7. Foster ... 903
8. Conradt .. 900
9. McGraw ... 888 + 08 = 896
10. Selvig ... 865

15) Blair .. 765 + 06 = 771 <- Blair jumps to 15th ​

16) Foley .. 768 + 02 = 770​

30) Wilkes . 697 + 05 = 702​

31) Borseth. 691 + 04 = 695​

 

[Vowelguy]

One interesting question: other than MM, will anyone get to 1000 wins?

Active coaches (yrs coaching) & wins at start of year (bold = D1):

1. Yosinoff ... (41) 808
2. Foley ... .. (31) 768
3. Blair ... .. (33) 765
4. Shirley .... (37) 748
5. Fahey ... .. (32) 746
6. Perretta ... (40) 746
7. Bluder .. .. (34) 723
8. Jeffers .... (35) 706
9. Wilkes .. .. (32) 697
10. Borseth .... (31) 691
11. Tilley .. .. (41) 682
12. Neal ... ... (24) 673 <- was NAIA coach, age ~70
13. Durbin .. .. (33) 671
14. McKeown .... (31) 670
15. Moore ... .. (29) 670
16. Bruno ... .. (32) 668
17. Slifer .. .. (29) 665
18. Davis ... .. (28) 654
19. Fennelly ... (30) 645
20. Presnell ... (31) 639

Yosinoff is 70. His teams have average 21 wins the last decade, which would mean 9-10 more years. Iffy.
Foley at 768 is off to a 2-6 start. He's not making much of a dent.
Blair is in his early 70s. He'd need to coach at least to 80 (seems unlikely).
Nancy Fahey, 60, would've done it had she stayed at Wash U, but wins are few and far between at Illinois.
Lisa Bluder (723 wins) at Iowa is only 57, and may have the best shot.

 

[chuck.r]

One interesting question: other than MM, will anyone get to 1000 wins?

Active coaches (yrs coaching) & wins at start of year (bold = D1):

1. Yosinoff ... (41) 808
2. Foley ... .. (31) 768
3. Blair ... .. (33) 765
4. Shirley .... (37) 748
5. Fahey ... .. (32) 746
6. Perretta ... (40) 746
7. Bluder .. .. (34) 723
8. Jeffers .... (35) 706
9. Wilkes .. .. (32) 697
10. Borseth .... (31) 691
11. Tilley .. .. (41) 682
12. Neal ... ... (24) 673 <- was NAIA coach, age ~70
13. Durbin .. .. (33) 671
14. McKeown .... (31) 670
15. Moore ... .. (29) 670
16. Bruno ... .. (32) 668
17. Slifer .. .. (29) 665
18. Davis ... .. (28) 654
19. Fennelly ... (30) 645
20. Presnell ... (31) 639

Yosinoff is 70. His teams have average 21 wins the last decade, which would mean 9-10 more years. Iffy.
Foley at 768 is off to a 2-6 start. He's not making much of a dent.
Blair is in his early 70s. He'd need to coach at least to 80 (seems unlikely).
Nancy Fahey, 60, would've done it had she stayed at Wash U, bu wins are few and far between at Illinois.
Lisa Bluder (723 wins) at Iowa is only 57, and may have the best shot.

If Kim Mulkey coaches at Baylor until she is 70, she may make it. Mulkey currently has the 3rd best all-time winning percentage (behind Auriemma & Barmore) at 84.8%. Using her current total of 546 wins and her wins-per-season for the last 8 years (34.4), she can accomplish the feat in 13 years. A long period of time sustaining that rate of success. Mulkey is 56.

 

[Vowelguy]

If Kim Mulkey coaches at Baylor until she is 70, she will likely make it. Mulkey currently has the 3rd best all-time winning percentage (behind Auriemma & Barmore) at 84.8%. Using her current total of 546 wins and her wins-per-season for the last 8 years (34.4), she can accomplish the feat in 13 years. Mulkey is 56.

thanks hadnt looked at <600 wins folks
GP Gromacki at Amherst is also a contender, since he has even higher winning percentage than Geno thus far.

 

[Vowelguy]

The thing I was thinking but forgot to say is that after a flurry of 1000s the last 18 months, we will have one more in 2021/22 and then the 2030s at the earliest.

Pretty remarkable.

 

[triaddukefan]

One interesting question: other than MM, will anyone get to 1000 wins?
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McCallie ????

53 years of age.... around 615 wins. She'd have to average around 23 season to reach 1,000 if she coached to age 70


lawd hammercy if she is still coaching us in 2036.... lawd hammercy

 

[Vowelguy]

McCallie ????

53 years of age.... around 615 wins. She'd have to average around 23 season to reach 1,000 if she coached to age 70

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[DefenseBB]

If Kim Mulkey at 84.8%.... Using her current total of 546 wins and her wins-per-season for the last 8 years (34.4), she can accomplish the feat in 13 years. A long period of time sustaining that rate of success. Mulkey is 56.

Huh? Seems to me Geno and MM have sustained a long period of success and with Kim in the Big12 there is not the competition that MM has. She now is always recruiting at an elite level. Your statement seems a bit off the mark. So her coaching is not out of the question Until 67 or more, if the motivation is still there.

 

[triaddukefan]

** BREAKING NEWS **

@triaddukefan SAYS
"17 MORE YEARS OF McCALLIE!"

** BREAKING NEWS **​

 

[DefenseBB]

McCallie ????

53 years of age.... around 615 wins. She'd have to average around 23 season to reach 1,000 if she coached to age 70


lawd hammercy if she is still coaching us in 2036.... lawd hammercy

I am missing something here. She’s 385 wins away, given she should be able to average 25-28 wins a year, that would be 14-16 years. Of course she will be at a completely different school when the contract runs out so... I got your back Triad!

 

[Vowelguy]

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I knew you wouldn't let me down. A classic.

 

[Vowelguy]

given she should be able to average 25-28 wins a year,

Uhhh ...

2018: 24
2017: 28
2016: 20
2015: 23

Care to add anything @CamrnCrz1974 ?

 

[chuck.r]

Huh? Seems to me Geno and MM have sustained a long period of success and with Kim in the Big12 there is not the competition that MM has. She now is always recruiting at an elite level. Your statement seems a bit off the mark. So her coaching is not out of the question Until 67 or more, if the motivation is still there.

Auriemma, of course, has maintained his pace of success for now 25 years. McGraw, though, is not as good an example. I chose the past 8 years in part because that is the period of her & ND's current elite success, starting in 2011 (34.4 wins/season, same as Mulkey). Prior to that, ND's program was far more pedestrian; after 2001 and Ruth Riley's departure, the next nine years ND averaged 22.5 wins/season. The point being for most good programs not named UConn its tough sustaining elite success perpetually for decades. McGraw now has the machine fine-tuned to likely last the rest of her career.

But you are correct that Mulkey appears to have the same sustaining drive for excellence as Geno: She is now coaching her 19th season, and her 18-year winning % (84.8) is actually better than Geno's was at the same point in his career (83.5).* So if anyone appears capable recruiting-wise and coaching-wise to sustain their elite performance level another 13+ years, it would be Mulkey.

* the rest of story, of course, is that after his 1st 18 seasons, Auriemma had achieved 4 NC's and 7 FF's. Kim is stuck for the moment on 2 NC's and 3 FF's. In fact, by the time Geno had coached the same number of games as her current 644, he had added a 5th NC. He had Diana, and Mulkey didn't

 

[DefenseBB]

....the rest of the story, of course, is that after his 1st 18 seasons, Auriemma had achieved 4 NC's and 7 FF's. Kim is stuck for the moment on 2 NC's and 3 FF's. In fact, by the time Geno had coached the same number of games as her current 644, he had added a 5th NC. He had Diana, and Mulkey didn't

To be clear, we were talking about getting to 1,000 wins, not comparing her Resume per se’. Kim still has a lot of work to do to get higher up the victory chain, which I feel pretty good about given her past success.

The landscape of WCBB coaching, I would argue, is significantly different now then when Geno was coming up. Geno didn’t have to coach against...GENO!
Geno did have Pat and Tara but Muffet wasn’t Muffet yet, the PAC12 was only Tara. Now there’s quite a few top notch coaches that Kim has to contend with, Geno, Muffet, Vic, Tara, Karen Aston, Dawn, Scott Rueck to name a few who are getting top talent now.

Again this is about victories not resume’s. My contention is Kim is a notch below Tara, Muffet and of course Geno. I would put her higher than Dawn though.

 

[dtbtbtb]

where is Waltz?

 

[skilz]

where is Waltz?

Giving out scholarships!

 

[Vowelguy]

where is Waltz?

299 wins before this season

 

[Vowelguy]

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_RB/2019/Coaching.pdf

 

[MilfordHusky]

where is Waltz?

Vienna, I think.

 

[Plebe]

A major factor is that it's rare for a coach currently under 60 to have started head-coaching in their 20s or even early 30s, and therefore they're not starting early enough start to make a charge on 1,000.

Starting age as head coach:
Summit: 22
Tara: 25
Geno: 31
Hatchell: 23
Stringer: 24
Foster: 30
Conradt: 28
McGraw: 26

Compare those to the starting ages for Mulkey (38) and Walz (36).

I actually think Brenda Frese and Scott Rueck have a good chance.

• Brenda is 48 years old and is at 496 wins. At her current pace, she'd hit 1,000 at roughly 65.
• Rueck is 49 years old and is at 474 wins. At his current pace, he'd hit 1,000 at roughly 66.