Breaking news regarding KO on espn

[HooperScooper]

That's how I'd describe what UConn's done to Kevin Ollie.

I know people have this narrative in their head that he got fired primarily because he was a bad coach and the violations were the final straw. No. He got fired entirely because of his coaching (which includes his recruiting). That's a key distinction because the violations only ever existed because of the poor coaching. What KO is accused of doing is child's play and everyone knows it. The University simply self-reported the violations because they needed to get out of the contract. And then, like a magic trick, the NCAA - a business partner - levied charges on him. What a coincidence!

"Oh this guy must just not be in on the DM chain. Doesn't he know that Ollie couldn't be bothered to do his job and may have done some other bad things as well?"

Let's hear them then. Have you ever stopped to consider something from someone else's perspective? Have you ever considered that corruption in the real world can stem from legitimate injustice as well? Do you think you always have the whole story when you get mad at how money is spent elsewhere? Or are you just always right? There's a common thread in all of that and it's a lack of transparency. The University is now unequivocally guilty, but hey, it's convenient this time!

"Do you expect me to shed a tear over a rich guy who was bad at his job not getting 10 mil"?

No. I expect you to shed a tear for your own continued involvement in a bureaucracy of which you're the victim. I expect you to begin recognizing the monopoly the school and the NCAA has over YOU. I expect you to recognize the danger in foregoing a democratic process because a couple biased parties decided that they were owed one.

"I dunno man, he broke the contract!"

Go talk to his lawyer then. Truth be told, I don't give a damn about whether Ollie gets this much money or that much money. There are more important things in the world.

I care about my school lying to me. I care about the fact that my school has been victimized by this shady business more than any other. I care about the fact that corruption breeds corruption, and if you don't have the courage to stop the cycle when the arrow lands on you, what's the point of even pretending you have an identity at all?

I don't care about what corporations or institutions can do to technically get away with things. I care about we can do. I care about our fanbase having a voice that represents us and not the status quo. Try being different, try being original. Ask yourselves what you want your role in this process to be. Follow my lead if you want the school to represent you and follow their lead if you want it to represent everything that's wrong with America. If you think you're progressive, if you think you're state's better than Alabama or Georgia because we're more educated, more enlightened? This is a test. Enter gate one and live up to your word or enter gate two and be a hypocrite.

This board has been great to me. I'm sincerely thankful to Tom, the rest of the admins, and everyone else who has made such a difference in my life these last eight years. I respect the intelligence of the people here tremendously and hope to continue learning from you moving forward.

But this isn't a difference in opinion for me, it's a crossroads. I'm not grandstanding, or posturing, or moralizing. I'm simply appealing to your appetite for listening to someone who's a lot more like you and a lot more invested in this matter than the noise coming from the other side.

The thing about this is that we matter so much more than Ollie's lawyers. The system is so stacked against anyone in Ollie's shoes that he's forced to defend himself by denying the allegations rather than mentioning the fact that, oh yeah, this is a business and they added the buyout to his contract because he was being pursued by freaking NBA teams.

We fund all of this and it's time for us to start having a say in what happens. Sure, you *can* ignore it. It's entertainment after all, so you're not going to go to hell for unknowingly ratifying things you can't see.

It's just that, the things you think you're doing in the interest of your school aren't always in the interest of your school. It's in the interest of our school to demonstrate a fighting spirit against the things that have largely ruined college sports. It's in the interest of our school to set the pace for change in our country.

I want you to think for a minute about who this is coming from. I'm not your gender studies professor or a social rights activist. I'm not Jay Bilas or Shaun King. I'm the person that studies hours of game tape, travels eight hours to and from tournaments without leaving my car, and writes mountains of paragraphs on January games, all for nothing. If I'm mad enough about something to leave, you should pay attention.

So I'll make things very simple and encourage you to boycott the program until Ollie is paid his buyout money and/or Benedict and Herbst are removed from their positions at the school. It's not the most important cause but it's the most important cause that's ours. DM me if you want to learn more about why I'm doing this or what we can do to maximize impact. Otherwise, have a nice life.

What was that?

 

[Madmannsucks]

Best thing about this thread? Everyone has brought new information to the table......NOT!!!!!! same old arguments in a new thread LOCK IT DOWN....LOCK IT DOWN!!!!!!

 

[Huskybass]

When I feel sympathy churn a little toward KO I immediately think of the term you used...that scorched Earth tactic KO utilized.

Screw him.

His divorce was the beginning of his downward spiral.

Wrong. What led to the divorce was the beginning.

I care more about the University's academics then its athletics n always will. I think that we r doing a fine job with that. U saw the stats on the incoming class. Anyway, I have made my peace with Hurley, he park his Lexus next to mine at a recent UCONN event. He was very gracious toward my youngest daughter

The fact that you profess to care about academics is stunningly ironic. Every post you make is littered with grammatical errors. It's a thing of beauty, actually.

 

[Huskybass]

I care more about the University's academics then its athletics n always will. I think that we r doing a fine job with that. U saw the stats on the incoming class. Anyway, I have made my peace with Hurley, he park his Lexus next to mine at a recent UCONN event. He was very gracious toward my youngest daughter

My Maserati does 185.

 

[NowInStorrs]

My Stratus was parked on Hurley’s other side. True story.

I drive a Dodge Stratus!!!

 

[Jimdish255]

I will say there are a lot of other Universities out there that have been involved in much worse scandals than shooting a few baskets with a recruit and they're laughing their asses off at this. I don't care whether it helps us in the buyout it stinks. I apologize if I echoed anyone else's thoughts from earlier in the thread.

 

[Waquoit]

My Maserati does 185.

But I heard you lost your license and now you don't drive.

 

[tentoes4rings]

I’m guessing Ollie made the bad fart face when he heard this news.

 

[huskymedic]

>>In short, liar, liar, 10 toes on fire.<<

 

[navery12]

I will say there are a lot of other Universities out there that have been involved in much worse scandals than shooting a few baskets with a recruit and they're laughing their asses off at this. I don't care whether it helps us in the buyout it stinks. I apologize if I echoed anyone else's thoughts from earlier in the thread.

The NCAA doesn't really care that he shot hoops with a recruit. They care that they asked and he lied about that and everything else

 

[huskymedic]

>>UConn will self-impose sanctions if it hasn’t already, probably docking itself a scholarship for the 2019-20 season and setting in place other recruiting restrictions, such as time off the road. The hope would be that the committee on infractions will see such a move, perhaps in cooperation with other moves, as just punishment.<<

 

[Thirty Three]

I will say there are a lot of other Universities out there that have been involved in much worse scandals than shooting a few baskets with a recruit and they're laughing their asses off at this. I don't care whether it helps us in the buyout it stinks. I apologize if I echoed anyone else's thoughts from earlier in the thread.

Kind of convenient for your argument how you left out the part about Ollie sending, and paying for, players (illegal) to go work out with an outside trainer in Philly (also illegal) and then lied about it. St. Mary's was given 5 years probation for the same violation. But keep pretending it's all about shooting a couple baskets with a recruit.

You're either ill informed (doubt it), or purposly creating your own narrative by leaving out some obviously important facts.

 

[Lynyrd]

That's how I'd describe what UConn's done to Kevin Ollie.

I know people have this narrative in their head that he got fired primarily because he was a bad coach and the violations were the final straw. No. He got fired entirely because of his coaching (which includes his recruiting). That's a key distinction because the violations only ever existed because of the poor coaching. What KO is accused of doing is child's play and everyone knows it. The University simply self-reported the violations because they needed to get out of the contract. And then, like a magic trick, the NCAA - a business partner - levied charges on him. What a coincidence!

"Oh this guy must just not be in on the DM chain. Doesn't he know that Ollie couldn't be bothered to do his job and may have done some other bad things as well?"

Let's hear them then. Have you ever stopped to consider something from someone else's perspective? Have you ever considered that corruption in the real world can stem from legitimate injustice as well? Do you think you always have the whole story when you get mad at how money is spent elsewhere? Or are you just always right? There's a common thread in all of that and it's a lack of transparency. The University is now unequivocally guilty, but hey, it's convenient this time!

"Do you expect me to shed a tear over a rich guy who was bad at his job not getting 10 mil"?

No. I expect you to shed a tear for your own continued involvement in a bureaucracy of which you're the victim. I expect you to begin recognizing the monopoly the school and the NCAA has over YOU. I expect you to recognize the danger in foregoing a democratic process because a couple biased parties decided that they were owed one.

"I dunno man, he broke the contract!"

Go talk to his lawyer then. Truth be told, I don't give a damn about whether Ollie gets this much money or that much money. There are more important things in the world.

I care about my school lying to me. I care about the fact that my school has been victimized by this shady business more than any other. I care about the fact that corruption breeds corruption, and if you don't have the courage to stop the cycle when the arrow lands on you, what's the point of even pretending you have an identity at all?

I don't care about what corporations or institutions can do to technically get away with things. I care about we can do. I care about our fanbase having a voice that represents us and not the status quo. Try being different, try being original. Ask yourselves what you want your role in this process to be. Follow my lead if you want the school to represent you and follow their lead if you want it to represent everything that's wrong with America. If you think you're progressive, if you think you're state's better than Alabama or Georgia because we're more educated, more enlightened? This is a test. Enter gate one and live up to your word or enter gate two and be a hypocrite.

This board has been great to me. I'm sincerely thankful to Tom, the rest of the admins, and everyone else who has made such a difference in my life these last eight years. I respect the intelligence of the people here tremendously and hope to continue learning from you moving forward.

But this isn't a difference in opinion for me, it's a crossroads. I'm not grandstanding, or posturing, or moralizing. I'm simply appealing to your appetite for listening to someone who's a lot more like you and a lot more invested in this matter than the noise coming from the other side.

The thing about this is that we matter so much more than Ollie's lawyers. The system is so stacked against anyone in Ollie's shoes that he's forced to defend himself by denying the allegations rather than mentioning the fact that, oh yeah, this is a business and they added the buyout to his contract because he was being pursued by freaking NBA teams.

We fund all of this and it's time for us to start having a say in what happens. Sure, you *can* ignore it. It's entertainment after all, so you're not going to go to hell for unknowingly ratifying things you can't see.

It's just that, the things you think you're doing in the interest of your school aren't always in the interest of your school. It's in the interest of our school to demonstrate a fighting spirit against the things that have largely ruined college sports. It's in the interest of our school to set the pace for change in our country.

I want you to think for a minute about who this is coming from. I'm not your gender studies professor or a social rights activist. I'm not Jay Bilas or Shaun King. I'm the person that studies hours of game tape, travels eight hours to and from tournaments without leaving my car, and writes mountains of paragraphs on January games, all for nothing. If I'm mad enough about something to leave, you should pay attention.

So I'll make things very simple and encourage you to boycott the program until Ollie is paid his buyout money and/or Benedict and Herbst are removed from their positions at the school. It's not the most important cause but it's the most important cause that's ours. DM me if you want to learn more about why I'm doing this or what we can do to maximize impact. Otherwise, have a nice life.

That's how I'd describe what UConn's done to Kevin Ollie.

I know people have this narrative in their head that he got fired primarily because he was a bad coach and the violations were the final straw. No. He got fired entirely because of his coaching (which includes his recruiting). That's a key distinction because the violations only ever existed because of the poor coaching. What KO is accused of doing is child's play and everyone knows it. The University simply self-reported the violations because they needed to get out of the contract. And then, like a magic trick, the NCAA - a business partner - levied charges on him. What a coincidence!

"Oh this guy must just not be in on the DM chain. Doesn't he know that Ollie couldn't be bothered to do his job and may have done some other bad things as well?"

Let's hear them then. Have you ever stopped to consider something from someone else's perspective? Have you ever considered that corruption in the real world can stem from legitimate injustice as well? Do you think you always have the whole story when you get mad at how money is spent elsewhere? Or are you just always right? There's a common thread in all of that and it's a lack of transparency. The University is now unequivocally guilty, but hey, it's convenient this time!

"Do you expect me to shed a tear over a rich guy who was bad at his job not getting 10 mil"?

No. I expect you to shed a tear for your own continued involvement in a bureaucracy of which you're the victim. I expect you to begin recognizing the monopoly the school and the NCAA has over YOU. I expect you to recognize the danger in foregoing a democratic process because a couple biased parties decided that they were owed one.

"I dunno man, he broke the contract!"

Go talk to his lawyer then. Truth be told, I don't give a damn about whether Ollie gets this much money or that much money. There are more important things in the world.

I care about my school lying to me. I care about the fact that my school has been victimized by this shady business more than any other. I care about the fact that corruption breeds corruption, and if you don't have the courage to stop the cycle when the arrow lands on you, what's the point of even pretending you have an identity at all?

I don't care about what corporations or institutions can do to technically get away with things. I care about we can do. I care about our fanbase having a voice that represents us and not the status quo. Try being different, try being original. Ask yourselves what you want your role in this process to be. Follow my lead if you want the school to represent you and follow their lead if you want it to represent everything that's wrong with America. If you think you're progressive, if you think you're state's better than Alabama or Georgia because we're more educated, more enlightened? This is a test. Enter gate one and live up to your word or enter gate two and be a hypocrite.

This board has been great to me. I'm sincerely thankful to Tom, the rest of the admins, and everyone else who has made such a difference in my life these last eight years. I respect the intelligence of the people here tremendously and hope to continue learning from you moving forward.

But this isn't a difference in opinion for me, it's a crossroads. I'm not grandstanding, or posturing, or moralizing. I'm simply appealing to your appetite for listening to someone who's a lot more like you and a lot more invested in this matter than the noise coming from the other side.

The thing about this is that we matter so much more than Ollie's lawyers. The system is so stacked against anyone in Ollie's shoes that he's forced to defend himself by denying the allegations rather than mentioning the fact that, oh yeah, this is a business and they added the buyout to his contract because he was being pursued by freaking NBA teams.

We fund all of this and it's time for us to start having a say in what happens. Sure, you *can* ignore it. It's entertainment after all, so you're not going to go to hell for unknowingly ratifying things you can't see.

It's just that, the things you think you're doing in the interest of your school aren't always in the interest of your school. It's in the interest of our school to demonstrate a fighting spirit against the things that have largely ruined college sports. It's in the interest of our school to set the pace for change in our country.

I want you to think for a minute about who this is coming from. I'm not your gender studies professor or a social rights activist. I'm not Jay Bilas or Shaun King. I'm the person that studies hours of game tape, travels eight hours to and from tournaments without leaving my car, and writes mountains of paragraphs on January games, all for nothing. If I'm mad enough about something to leave, you should pay attention.

So I'll make things very simple and encourage you to boycott the program until Ollie is paid his buyout money and/or Benedict and Herbst are removed from their positions at the school. It's not the most important cause but it's the most important cause that's ours. DM me if you want to learn more about why I'm doing this or what we can do to maximize impact. Otherwise, have a nice life.

 

[Storrs South]

>>UConn will self-impose sanctions if it hasn’t already, probably docking itself a scholarship for the 2019-20 season and setting in place other recruiting restrictions, such as time off the road. The hope would be that the committee on infractions will see such a move, perhaps in cooperation with other moves, as just punishment.<<

I believe that would mean Hurley gets an extra year added to his contract

 

[huskymedic]

I believe that would mean Hurley gets an extra year added to his contract

Yup once all said and done if he wants it: This is from another thread last night.

This is Hurley's executed offer letter and the specific wording regarding NCAA violation impact. https://publicrecords.uconn.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/1836/2018/03/Hurley-MOU-Final.pdf

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[Ewekon]

Kind of convenient for your argument how you left out the part about Ollie sending, and paying for, players (illegal) to go work out with an outside trainer in Philly (also illegal) and then lied about it. St. Mary's was given 5 years probation for the same violation. But keep pretending it's all about shooting a couple baskets with a recruit.

You're either ill informed (doubt it), or purposly creating your own narrative by leaving out some obviously important facts.

I know it was mentioned awhile ago but can't find it. Who were the players?

 

[tcf15]

I know it was mentioned awhile ago but can't find it. Who were the players?

Jalen and Terry

 

[Rico444]

Sheesh, how’s the weather up there?

View attachment 34781

Good to see Karl is back

 

[SoFla Steve]

This has to go away soon. It was depressing to watch Yankees-Red Sox, Cin v UConn and other football games Saturday and be distracted the whole time by the crawl at the bottom of the screen bringing the news of the NCAA and KO over and over and over again.

 

[huskyinfl]

KO has the worst legal team of all time.

 

[TRest]

KO has the worst legal team of all time.

Maybe it's their client.

 

[UConn990411]

He fixed his own mistake. Credit for that I guess, but he better have learned from it.

The contract was basically completed when Benedict was hired, so I wouldn’t really pin it on him.

 

[UConn990411]

I will say there are a lot of other Universities out there that have been involved in much worse scandals than shooting a few baskets with a recruit and they're laughing their asses off at this. I don't care whether it helps us in the buyout it stinks. I apologize if I echoed anyone else's thoughts from earlier in the thread.

He arranged for private workouts for players, which is the more serious violation.

And, and has been mentioned numerous times, the coverup is the problem here. Nothing Ollie did was all that serious, so why lie about it?

He dug his own grave there.

 

[intlzncster]

The contract was basically completed when Benedict was hired, so I wouldn’t really pin it on him.

That's not what happened, at least according to folks in the know*. The idea that Warde was involved is a boneyard meme of sorts. The contract itself was all Benedict. Warde had preliminary talks only.

The pressure to sign Ollie obviously forced Benedict's hand in that dept, but he could have easily structured the buyout differently.

*friends/family that work in the athletic dept

 

[intlzncster]

I’m guessing Ollie made the bad fart face when he heard this news.

Made me chuckle more than it should.

 

[intlzncster]

>>UConn will self-impose sanctions if it hasn’t already, probably docking itself a scholarship for the 2019-20 season and setting in place other recruiting restrictions, such as time off the road. The hope would be that the committee on infractions will see such a move, perhaps in cooperation with other moves, as just punishment.<<

They should do it for the 20-21 season*. We need that scholly for our definite class of Bouknight, Gaffney, Precious, Akok, and Kofi.

*If at all. We fired the coach who deliberately lied to the University. That is a proactive 'penalty' in and of itself. Just happens to be fortuitous. Remember, the guys who went to Georgia were cleared to play last year. That wouldn't happen if penalties were levied for that part.

 

[intlzncster]

Kind of convenient for your argument how you left out the part about Ollie sending, and paying for, players (illegal) to go work out with an outside trainer in Philly (also illegal) and then lied about it. St. Mary's was given 5 years probation for the same violation. But keep pretending it's all about shooting a couple baskets with a recruit.
You're either ill informed (doubt it), or purposly creating your own narrative by leaving out some obviously important facts.

I'm not even joking when I say that this violation would have been completely ignored for schools like Duke and UNC. NCAA shows they are 'tough on crime' with schools like St Mary's. So's he's not wrong in his general overall point--just bad at making the argument.

Not for nothing, but the kids involved in the workouts were cleared to play last year.

 

[intlzncster]

Maybe it's their client.

Somebody posited that he lied to his lawyers about his role. That could very well be true. I'm of the opinion that he might actually believe his own BS.

 

[Fishy]

The NCAA doesn't really care that he shot hoops with a recruit. They care that they asked and he lied about that and everything else

This.

If you ever read through the NCAA's list of enforcement actions, you'd see that schools self-report these things all the time and no action is taken. (Although the Griffin/Hamilton stuff was pretty troubling; those are signs the train is really getting ready to go off the rails.)

What the NCAA does care about is when you start to have a laundry list of these which starts to show that you really don't much care about compliance. And that's very clear with Ollie - the head coach is supposed to promote an "atmosphere of compliance" whereas ours plainly had a disregard for it.

And then when you mislead the NCAA about these things....you get Bruce Pearl'd.

 

[Fishy]

I'm not even joking when I say that this violation would have been completely ignored for schools like Duke and UNC. NCAA shows they are 'tough on crime' with schools like St Mary's. So's he's not wrong in his general overall point--just bad at making the argument.
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You're just as bad.

This isn't accurate.