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If student athletes become employees that means Workers Comp would cover their sports injuries. Not just lifetime medical expenses but permanent and total disability. Football schools would go broke.

The conferences at the top are foaming at the mouth to vulture the PAC 12 and ACC because they must destroy their competition, yet are in lockstep Kumbaya when it comes to paying athletes (against it). The stench of potential labor law violations is through the roof.

As for students being termed athletes of the state or (if private) the school? IMO, it's not a question of if, but when.
 
I'm not questioning these numbers but I'm curious how you got them. Private schools seldom publish information like this.
College Factual .com and the info is reported to the IRS. All non profits file and the stuff is available. They are just not required to post it all for public viewing, but it’s there to go find. There are sites that actually allow you to view these filings as well, usually for a price. It’s public info if you are willing to dig. I have used it in research on accounts for sales opportunities.

 
I have to wonder - in 2031, will UCF, Cincy, and WVU be looking elsewhere? Their colleagues basically told them they don't matter
 
OK. Let's try it this way: more value than us. And remember, value equals what someone is willing to pay for you. Not how many wins your athletic department has. The market has repeatedly said we don't have as much value as we think we have.


Where are you getting the value of basketball skyrocketing? Because Yormark said he thinks basketball is undervalued? We are clinging to that quote. Newsflash, he was playing us for the teams he really wanted. Notice how he never actually quantified how much it was worth? He is such a good salesman. He got everyone drooling and played to our confirmation bias.

Look, I am a huge UConn fan - football and basketball season ticket holder. I have not given up hope. And I do believe there is way more change coming and my gut is we will land on our feet somewhere somehow. But this is where we are today.
I already answered this once before. They ACC tried to add UConn twice. They saw the value

With conference consolidation and taking over the NCAAT, the tourney credits skyrocket. Rightly now they are only dispersing $300m a year to the conferences. Once they take over the tourney the credits will more than triple in value to $1.1B. That will raise the value of the best basketball schools. As for OSU and Wash U they were fathered in. Their brands are so small that their athletic budgets are much smaller than UConns. 70m and 80m
 
I have no doubt UConn would get good quickly if given the opportunity in the Big 12 and could win the conference down the road. I don't think much of Big 12 football.
Wouldn't it be prudent to check UConn's history of performance against each of the B12's teams before offering an opinion like that?
 
Of course it is. Most fans don't know about it. But they had Pickett in the first round two years ago. They aren't Alabama or Ohio State, but they aren't a garbage football program either. P5 is absolutely treated differently. To get in you can't just be as good as the lower half of P5 programs, you need to be better than them year after year.
I don’t think fans remember when they were good, that’s what I meant. A lot of small schools send guys into the NFL in the top rounds. I don’t think it’s really remembered unless it’s done consistently
 
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It is possible that Mora was not sincere when he claimed he was a) not actively looking into returning to coaching but did like the idea of coaching again and b) wanted to find a place where he would be happy spending a number of years and eventually retiring, but at the moment I don't think he'll leave abruptly just for a few dollars a a place with more football history.

I do believe however that we would be foolish to believe he'll remain here no matter what just because he claimed that was his intent when he was hired.

As the program improves, everything else has to also improve. I have quite a bit of confidence in DB supporting the program as best he can but I still have my doubts about the trustees (and the politicians who can have a say in how well the school is funded).

I also have some concerns about the fan base and at some point I will take a few boneyarders to task about not putting in a sufficient effort to attend a stray game. One who grew up in Springdale and can make a stray visit to the area in the fall, plan on a game within the time that he is visiting friends and family comes to mind.

One who lives closer to Rutgers than East Hartford but should be capable of making one trek each fall also comes to mind. I know of quite a few others and, once we start winning on a regular basis I will begin calling them out by name.

If there is sufficient fan support and institutional support I doubt we'll need to worry about losing Mora and if we do, with the fan and institutional support in place he would be replaceable.
 
Wouldn't it be prudent to check UConn's history of performance against each of the B12's teams before offering an opinion like that?
It is not a long history but we've knocked of Baylor twice when they had their best QB ever and we knocked off Iowa St in a year that they began the season ranked in the top ten and arguably the best QB they've ever had was a senior.
 
I still think UConn to The Big 12 is the best value play remaining on the board for any conference. JMO but UConn delivers more value to The Big 12 than they do to The ACC. You're a relatively easy add with minimal conference baggage. There are still potentially valuable adds to pair with you in The AAC, MW, or PAC4.
 
Wouldn't it be prudent to check UConn's history of performance against each of the B12's teams before offering an opinion like that?
No, that would be incredibly stupid.
 
Your first paragraph is totally insane.
I have to agree. Seems like a convoluted way of saying BB doesn't matter, and tortured logic saying one team's five championships in 25 yrs are seen as flukes while another team's first final four bid is seen as having more perceived value.
 
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It is not a long history but we've knocked of Baylor twice when they had their best QB ever and we knocked off Iowa St in a year that they began the season ranked in the top ten and arguably the best QB they've ever had was a senior.
Yeah, that's called cherry-picking. In other news, here are UConn's all-time records against the B12's newbies: 0-2 vs. BYU, 3-13 vs. Cincinnati, 1-3 vs. Houston, and 2-6 vs. UCF.
 
It is possible that Mora was not sincere when he claimed he was a) not actively looking into returning to coaching but did like the idea of coaching again and b) wanted to find a place where he would be happy spending a number of years and eventually retiring, but at the moment I don't think he'll leave abruptly just for a few dollars a a place with more football history.

I do believe however that we would be foolish to believe he'll remain here no matter what just because he claimed that was his intent when he was hired.

As the program improves, everything else has to also improve. I have quite a bit of confidence in DB supporting the program as best he can but I still have my doubts about the trustees (and the politicians who can have a say in how well the school is funded).

I also have some concerns about the fan base and at some point I will take a few boneyarders to task about not putting in a sufficient effort to attend a stray game. One who grew up in Springdale and can make a stray visit to the area in the fall, plan on a game within the time that he is visiting friends and family comes to mind.

One who lives closer to Rutgers than East Hartford but should be capable of making one trek each fall also comes to mind. I know of quite a few others and, once we start winning on a regular basis I will begin calling them out by name.

If there is sufficient fan support and institutional support I doubt we'll need to worry about losing Mora and if we do, with the fan and institutional support in place he would be replaceable.
Ooo, I've been called out!

I typically only get up there once a year. Last year I was there for a June wedding. The year before was for a mid-August UConn Stamford Branch reunion (I suppose I should tell them to move it to a later weekend following a Thursday night game?)

This year I'd already suggested two trips with my wife. First one was on the way to Acadia that would make a stop in Storrs. She balked at too much time in the car, even though she often says she wants to go to Acadia with our dog. Second was trying to make something work around the Travers and popping up to Montreal. That also got shot down. And she's open to going to the Rent, just not those trips. She's a Pitt season ticket holder, so she's got four figures invested in attending those games, which makes it challenging.

I have been to a couple of games, but last one was awhile ago. We got stomped by Cuse. I had the pleasure of being invited to Coach Cap's tailgate, courtesy of Waquoit. I will attend again, I just don't know when. But wife and I are already planning on attending the next UConn game at West Point, as well as the OSU game in Columbus.

Maybe I'll get a Thanksgiving invite to my brother's and see you at the UMass game...
 
Ooo, I've been called out!

I typically only get up there once a year. Last year I was there for a June wedding. The year before was for a mid-August UConn Stamford Branch reunion (I suppose I should tell them to move it to a later weekend following a Thursday night game?)

This year I'd already suggested two trips with my wife. First one was on the way to Acadia that would make a stop in Storrs. She balked at too much time in the car, even though she often says she wants to go to Acadia with our dog. Second was trying to make something work around the Travers and popping up to Montreal. That also got shot down. And she's open to going to the Rent, just not those trips. She's a Pitt season ticket holder, so she's got four figures invested in attending those games, which makes it challenging.

I have been to a couple of games, but last one was awhile ago. We got stomped by Cuse. I had the pleasure of being invited to Coach Cap's tailgate, courtesy of Waquoit. I will attend again, I just don't know when. But wife and I are already planning on attending the next UConn game at West Point, as well as the OSU game in Columbus.

Maybe I'll get a Thanksgiving invite to my brother's and see you at the UMass game...
On your way to Acadia can you stop at Cooper Flagg’s house and drop off a fruit basket.
 
Yeah, that's called cherry-picking. In other news, here are UConn's all-time records against the B12's newbies: 0-2 vs. BYU, 3-13 vs. Cincinnati, 1-3 vs. Houston, and 2-6 vs. UCF.
Lol, calls out cherry picking and then cherry picks.
 
Yeah, that's called cherry-picking. In other news, here are UConn's all-time records against the B12's newbies: 0-2 vs. BYU, 3-13 vs. Cincinnati, 1-3 vs. Houston, and 2-6 vs. UCF.
Let's remember that one win over Houston was a totally meaningless game.
 
Lol, calls out cherry picking and then cherry picks.
OK, I'll go further. I specifically mentioned only the new schools, the ones at the bottom of the pecking order. I expect they won't fare very well in the B12 until they've acclimated. Until then, the eight holdovers should do much better. When discussing football, nobody from UConn should be dissing any of the B12 schools -- old or new.
 
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Yeah, that's called cherry-picking. In other news, here are UConn's all-time records against the B12's newbies: 0-2 vs. BYU, 3-13 vs. Cincinnati, 1-3 vs. Houston, and 2-6 vs. UCF.
I'm very confident that the schools that you mentioned haven't played one football game as a member of the B-12 yet.
 
Ooo, I've been called out!

I typically only get up there once a year. Last year I was there for a June wedding. The year before was for a mid-August UConn Stamford Branch reunion (I suppose I should tell them to move it to a later weekend following a Thursday night game?)

This year I'd already suggested two trips with my wife. First one was on the way to Acadia that would make a stop in Storrs. She balked at too much time in the car, even though she often says she wants to go to Acadia with our dog. Second was trying to make something work around the Travers and popping up to Montreal. That also got shot down. And she's open to going to the Rent, just not those trips. She's a Pitt season ticket holder, so she's got four figures invested in attending those games, which makes it challenging.

I have been to a couple of games, but last one was awhile ago. We got stomped by Cuse. I had the pleasure of being invited to Coach Cap's tailgate, courtesy of Waquoit. I will attend again, I just don't know when. But wife and I are already planning on attending the next UConn game at West Point, as well as the OSU game in Columbus.

Maybe I'll get a Thanksgiving invite to my brother's and see you at the UMass game...
Prior to your outing yourself I'm not sure many on here would have known that you were one of the people I was referring to.

You do however have an open invitation to any home game.
 
OK, I'll go further. I specifically mentioned only the new schools, the ones at the bottom of the pecking order. I expect they won't fare very well in the B12 until they've acclimated. Until then, the eight holdovers should do much better. When discussing football, nobody from UConn should be dissing any of the B12 schools -- old or new.
I'll go further. I'm not particularly worried about it first, because it's a theoretical exercise and entirely doesn't matter, but also because teams like 1- 11 Colorado aren't particularly intimidating. That record you broke out was generated why we were absolutely in the coaching desert. I have every confidence in Jim Mora, particularly if Jim Mora is coaching a P4 team, which we would be if you were hypothetical came to pass.

If you can fans being confident in their teams potential is so upsetting to you, maybe you're on the wrong website. Perhaps it's something to think about.
 
OK, I'll go further. I specifically mentioned only the new schools, the ones at the bottom of the pecking order. I expect they won't fare very well in the B12 until they've acclimated. Until then, the eight holdovers should do much better. When discussing football, nobody from UConn should be dissing any of the B12 schools -- old or new.
No you didn't.
 
Wouldn't it be prudent to check UConn's history of performance against each of the B12's teams before offering an opinion like that?
Here's proof
 
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How hard would it be to get rid of that?
To get rid of Title IX? Well, the literal answer is that congress would have to pass a law to get rid of it. But is that the option, really? I dont begrudge anyone from making a buck, but these schools and the NCAA are out of freaking control. Title IX gives access to folks who previously had none. That aint a bad thing.
 
The marketability of the tournament is almost entirely based on the fact that a cinderella story can come out of nowhere and win a game or two (or more).
Agree, 15 seed BC over 2 seed Kansas as a 1st round upset just doesn't have the same appeal as 15 seed Lehigh over 2 seed Duke though I suppose the former is still just as shocking. Part of the fun of the tournament is tuning and looking at...wait, who the hell is Oral Roberts? over Ohio state? kind of moments. I don't think as many ppl will care when 14 seed Rutgers beats 3 seed Zona, just won't have the same luster to the casuals or even anyone outside the handful of Scarelt Knight fans. Like oh wow, Pitt (finally) made a run to the final 4 in a tourney totally comprised of the b10, acc, b12 and sec, WHO cares. Can't market that like you did butler, Gmason, FAU, or vcus run even if the former is almost as shocking, if not just as. Just isn't the same under dog anymore.
 
It is not a long history but we've knocked of Baylor twice when they had their best QB ever and we knocked off Iowa St in a year that they began the season ranked in the top ten and arguably the best QB they've ever had was a senior.

Baylor did go 4-8 in both years they lost to the Huskies and Iowa State was somewhat better at 7-7.
 
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