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HelloKitty said:
I live in TX and my daughter is a high school basketball player. She is not an elite talent, will not play in college, and does not play for an AAU team. But I know parents of girls that are, will, and do. The following is some information you might want to consider in forming your opinions on potential Baylor violations.

Good luck to UConn and their team next year. I have long been a fan of your program, and after watching the McD's game, believe you are putting together something special, yet again.
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i didn't want to take up bandwith quoting your entire post, but it was excellent. certainly with a few somewhat provocative statements, but none were delivered with malice or with accompanying zingers. just stating the facts. probably the most interesting first post i've ever read on the BY!

you sound like a parent and if so, i wish you and your daughter the best as she enters and hopefully enjoys her college experience!
 
ericsandiego said:
i didn't want to take up bandwith quoting your entire post, but it was excellent. certainly with a few somewhat provocative statements, but none were delivered with malice or with accompanying zingers. just stating the facts. probably the most interesting first post i've ever read on the BY!
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Smells of UT or TAMU to me.
 
easttexastrash said:
Wow...someone has an ax to GrinDer. Zero proof and a lot of innuendo. I think that wHine was made with sour grapes.
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Try addressing each point instead of calling it sour grapes. Lots of fact in that post.
 
easttexastrash said:
Smells of UT or TAMU to me.
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" Me thinks the lady protests too much". You would have been better off just letting it be. The only thing your series of posts seems to have impacted is that of your own credibility. They seem to have had the opposite effect from what you might have intended. Doggydaddy said it best in the previous post.
 
These rules have been changed as of this summer, there are unlimited texts and phone calls. The mistake was with a compliance officer and his program which sends emails (which are unlimited) to recruits phones, which turned out to count as multiple messages per email.

It's a wait n see thing for us...we knew of this last summer.
 
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ladybears4eva said:
These rules have been changed as of this summer, there are unlimited texts and phone calls. The mistake was with a compliance officer and his program which sends emails (which are unlimited) to recruits phones, which turned out to count as multiple messages per email.

It's a wait n see thing for us...we knew of this last summer.
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and you didnt mention it... come on!
 
John Glass said:
typical NCAA nonsense, meanwhile "student/athletes" are getting $100 an hour jobs, and several thousand dollars to sign with some schools
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Do you have proof to make this comment?
 
ladybears4eva said:
These rules have been changed as of this summer, there are unlimited texts and phone calls. The mistake was with a compliance officer and his program which sends emails (which are unlimited) to recruits phones, which turned out to count as multiple messages per email.

It's a wait n see thing for us...we knew of this last summer.
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Are you saying that during the recruitment process unlimited texts and phonoe calls can now be made? That doesn't sound right. Top recruits would be drowning in that much contact.

I'm not trying to be argumentative - I'm guessing I misread your post.

Any one out there know what the current "rule book" says?
 
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NCAA Recruiting Rules

"A college coach can sit down with a guardian or parent at a competition site. This is counted as one of the three in-person off-campus recruiting contacts a coach is permitted."

And a SECOND SOURCE

Ladybear would seem to be inaccurate if this site is up to date.

Third Site:
Email, Fax and Other Electronic Transmissions

  • According to an NCAA bylaw interpretation, coaches may send recruits emails or faxes following the same rules for printed recruiting materials. The NCAA banned text messages and instant messaging to recruits in 2007. Coaches may contact recruits using social-networking sites such as Twitter and Facebook, but only through the direct-message and mail features. The NCAA forbids correspondence visible to other users of the services.
Contacts and Evaluations

  • The NCAA defines "contact" as face-to-face engagement with a recruit or the recruit's parents that does not occur during a campus visit. An evaluation occurs when a coach watches a recruit compete or practice. Coaches may contact recruits during their senior year only. At the Division I level, the NCAA allows seven contacts and evaluations combined. The Division II level limits visits to three.
Read more: NCAA Rules for Basketball Recruiting | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_6309129_ncaa-rules-basketball-recruiting.html#ixzz1rdXbjB8l
 
It's not the punishments for the texts and phone calls that could be bothersome for Baylor, it's the possibility of a "lack of institutional control" finding that could be a serious issue. Some schools have gotten whacked hard for that.
 
willtalk said:
" Me thinks the lady protests too much". You would have been better off just letting it be. The only thing your series of posts seems to have impacted is that of your own credibility. They seem to have had the opposite effect from what you might have intended. Doggydaddy said it best in the previous post.
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I said point blank that I dont know if there is more to it and there could be. If there is the Mulkey should be subject to whatever the NCAA rules stipulate. I have no intentions of defending anything until all the facts are presented. Who knows what people are capable of.

But I will say that the other posters post has the stench of a bitter rival. It's loaded with unfounded innuendo.

As for DD's post, I haven't seen anything he has written in a long time. The "Ignore" button is a beautiful thing.
 
easttexastrash said:
I said point blank that I dont know if there is more to it and there could be. If there is the Mulkey should be subject to whatever the NCAA rules stipulate. I have no intentions of defending anything until all the facts are presented. Who knows what people are capable of.

But I will say that the other posters post has the stench of a bitter rival. It's loaded with unfounded innuendo.
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Actually, I think most here are very reserved about the issue. Saying things are wrong, saying they deserve to be found out and if true punished, questioning the real impact of the self-imposed penalties, saying the issues are not comparable to the ESPN/Moore issue, and even noting consequences of actions is hardly a stench. It is a discussion of something newly reported.

Nan is correct the issue of institutional control is a significant one and one that UConn has in fact had to review and address following the events in the men's program.
 
For the record I am Not stating that Mulkey may not be guilty of violations. I learned a long time ago that people are capable of things you would never think they would do. Nothing surprises me anymore.
 
At this point my stance is to wait and see what the results of the NCAA probe are and base my opinion on those results. I will be truly disappointed if Mulkey has violated NCAA rules.
 
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EastTrash here are DD post about your response to HelloKitty's post ;) (sorry DD, since he has you ignore)

doggydaddy said:
Try addressing each point instead of calling it sour grapes. Lots of fact in that post.
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doggydaddy said:
Please....it's a parent of a player who has inside info and an opinion. You don't like the message, that is clear. But your statements are much move provocative than her post.
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Let me also share a different "perspective." The amount of bitterness and competition in Texas between universities is indescribable for those who haven't been a part of it. The only way I can describe it is to take Tennessee's bitterness toward UCONN and multiply it by 4 (TTU, TAMU, UT and OU). I say 4 because it also bleeds across the border into Oklahoma. So excuse me for being able to spot the pattern of accusation and innuendo that I see all the time on the boards of those other universities. I suspect that most UCONN fans would be able to spot a post by a bitter Tennessee fan from a mile away.
 
Posters in this thread don't seem to be condemning Baylor but rather mulling over what information we have available to us. That would include the post by HelloKitty. I understand Baylor fans' concern for the Lady Bears and your desire for us to see the program in a positive light but yelling at folks here isn't going to do anything more than annoy those that would like to come to their own conclusions.

Please don't take my comments as a desire for anyone to stop engaging us in converstaion. I'm personally very happy we have such great visitors from other teams and the Baylor fans that come here have been excellent additions to our community. I would just like to gently remind others that we are UConn fans and we may not always share your point of view, frustrating as that may be for our non-UConn fan friends.
 
HelloKitty said:
I live in TX and my daughter is a high school basketball player. She is not an elite talent, will not play in college, and does not play for an AAU team. But I know parents of girls that are, will, and do. The following is some information you might want to consider in forming your opinions on potential Baylor violations.

Good luck to UConn and their team next year. I have long been a fan of your program, and after watching the McD's game, believe you are putting together something special, yet again.
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Thanks for the very thoughtful post. Both the info and the tone are welcome additions here.

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Just trying to get up to speed on this:

Did I read/hear that the Baylor men have already been punished by permitting them to play
zero OOC games next year? If so...that strikes me as a weird penalty...a significant one but a weird one.


I would think [hope] that this would not impact Brittney's selection for the Olympic team...either pro or con.
I think she is a virtual lock to be #12.

Given that the NCAA 'might' impose further penalties on the women's team and given that their investigations
tend to go on a while...toss in appeals...might Baylor simply not be sure that they are eligible for the NCAA tournament
come September?
 
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blakeon18 said:
Given that the NCAA 'might' impose further penalties on the women's team and given that their investigations
tend to go on a while...toss in appeals...might Baylor simply not be sure that they are eligible for the NCAA tournament
come September?
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My admittedly spotty recollection of that type of thing, blake, is that once a season starts or maybe a school year the NCAA tends to impose the penalty in the following year. Anyone else remember anything different?
 
HuskyNan said:
Posters in this thread don't seem to be condemning Baylor but rather mulling over what information we have available to us. That would include the post by HelloKitty. I understand Baylor fans' concern for the Lady Bears and your desire for us to see the program in a positive light but yelling at folks here isn't going to do anything more than annoy those that would like to come to their own conclusions.

Please don't take my comments as a desire for anyone to stop engaging us in converstaion. I'm personally very happy we have such great visitors from other teams and the Baylor fans that come here have been excellent additions to our community. I would just like to gently remind others that we are UConn fans and we may not always share your point of view, frustrating as that may be for our non-UConn fan friends.
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I totally understand the defensive posture of the Baylor fans, even the one that is ignoring me. We would do the same thing about UConn.

I know you will hate this Nan, but contrast the Boneyards fair response to this situation with the orange response, who can only post by calling Baylor "cheaters" and make post after post about Maya's mom and her co-op handbags.
 
doggydaddy said:
I totally understand the defensive posture of the Baylor fans, even the one that is ignoring me. We would do the same thing about UConn.
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Quite true, but I hope that if UConn fans were defending the Huskies on the Baylor board they would be courteous of the Lady Bears fan base and allow them to reach their own conclusions.

doggydaddy said:
know you will hate this Nan, but contrast the Boneyards fair response to this situation with the orange response, who can only post by calling Baylor "cheaters" and make post after post about Maya's mom and her co-op handbags.
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I don't consider The Tin Foil Hatters' behavior a proper yardstick for my own. My apologies to those fans that have not drunk the Kook-Aid over there.
 
Greetings to the New Englanders,

I'll be glad to be as objective a Baylor source as is possible, but I declare right up front I am a Kim Mulkey supporter while at the same time have reservations about how Scott Drew always seems to work on the edge of propriety.

And, as of this morning after, we dont' know any more down here than you know via ESPN up there.

We've only had this open announcement for 24 hours. First responses typically would not be wise. In a day or two as this thing begins to shake out, I'll be glad to com back and dialogue from the perspective of a Bear fan.

But as for this morning--120 bright-eyed students merit my attention.

Later
 
meyers7 said:
:)

I've never used that. Figure it helps me learn patience.
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That and the fact that even the most obnoxious person is not obnoxious 24/7 and has, on occasion, something worth listening to. Besides: patience is, indeed, a virtue.
 
Unless I am totally misreading things - this is the penalty phase, expected to be anounced shortly. The investigation is done - we may or may not know all the details, but they are not investigating anything more at this time.

Per one of the "insiders" on Sportscenter, who supposedly talked to someone involved at the NCAA, suspensions for Mulkey are the only (potential) anticipated NCAA addition to the self imposed penalties. Comment was also that July recruiting ban was "symbolic" - she wouldn't actually be "recruiting" in a direct sense, instead, she would be "showing face" in July to help the process. Not this year, apparently.
 
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