Baylor Recruiting Violations

[alexrgct]

OK, moving back to the topic at hand (and it is a very interesting one), I wonder if this will hurt Mulkey in the coaches sweepstakes. Or do people think that this will just blow over. It seems the penalties are not going to cause her or the team serious harm, but what about reputation? Some have said that she was moving into the elite coaches realm; will this have an effect?

Not sure what you're asking. Mulkey makes $1.2M/year. She already runs a marquee program. Coaches sweepstakes-wise, she is already a winner. Is the question whether this would impact her as far as being inducted into various HOFs and other such honors? Answer: possibly, though that would be amusing given some of the men's coaches who are in the Naismith HOF.

 

[Icebear]

In the report From Andy one realizes the joke the recruiting penalty is. 700+ and 500+ these are not accidental occurrances. Given the publicity surrounding the violations under Calhoun it would be pretty hard to be ignorant of the rules, too.

Alex, it might make it awkward to consider her for the Olympic coach position in the short run, however.

 

[HelloKitty]

I live in TX and my daughter is a high school basketball player. She is not an elite talent, will not play in college, and does not play for an AAU team. But I know parents of girls that are, will, and do. The following is some information you might want to consider in forming your opinions on potential Baylor violations.

-Baylor's recruiting coordinator, Damion McKinney, was hired by Baylor, from the DFW Elite AAU program in 2006. While hiring AAU coaches is a common practice of men's NCAA programs, it seems unusual for a women's team.
-In 2007, Griner attended elite camp at Baylor. The ESPN Reports states that some of the infractions occurred at this camp. Not long after, Griner commits to Baylor.
-Griner played AAU ball for DFW Elite, becoming the first really big name prospect from the Houston area to do so. Bone, the Ogwumikes, Christmas, Gilbert, and others all played for either Houston Elite, or Cy-Fair.
-Mulkey's daughter, who is a talented player, but not considered by most to be an elite prospect, played for DFW elite. Somehow, she made the roster of their highest level team, T-Jack, which is considered to be one of the best teams in the nation. This is the same team that Moriah Jefferson, Jordan Madden, Brooklyn Pope, and Odyssey Sims played for.
-As a parent, Mulkey attends her daughter's games, practices, etc. and has contact with other team parents, including the Griners. At tournaments, she sits with parents, not in the areas designated for college coaches, where their access to players is monitored and restricted. This subject was discussed in a HoopGurlz article while her daughter was still playing for DFW. Mulkey's approach was contrasted with the mother of Theresa Plaisance, who is at LSU. DoBee Plaisance, a coach at Loyola University in New Orleans, chose to sit with other college coaches, and limited contact with her daughter's teammates and parents, to avoid any appearance of impropriety.

Given the above coincidences, and the large number of phone call and text violations reported, do some of you still believe that Baylor's behavior is as innocent as giving Maya an ESPN tour?

I also find it interesting that since Sims signed with Baylor, only one other DFW Elite player, Kristina Higgins, has signed with them. Alexis Jones (who didn't play for DFW the last two summers) went to Duke. Jefferson to UConn. Jordan Jones and Chelsea Jennings to A&M. Empress Davenport to Texas. I do not know any of these girls or their families, but it makes me wonder if something was preventing them from wanting to go to Baylor.

I would hate for these violations to affect Griner's eligibility or career, since from all reports, she is a good kid. I doubt she or her family knowingly participated in activities that were against NCAA rules. But Baylor, as an institution, needs to be held accountable for the actions of their coaches.

Good luck to UConn and their team next year. I have long been a fan of your program, and after watching the McD's game, believe you are putting together something special, yet again.

 

[speedoo]

Thanks HelloKitty for that interesting information.

 

[justML]

I live in TX and my daughter is a high school basketball player. She is not an elite talent, will not play in college, and does not play for an AAU team. But I know parents of girls that are, will, and do. The following is some information you might want to consider in forming your opinions on potential Baylor violations.

-Baylor's recruiting coordinator, Damion McKinney, was hired by Baylor, from the DFW Elite AAU program in 2006. While hiring AAU coaches is a common practice of men's NCAA programs, it seems unusual for a women's team.
-In 2007, Griner attended elite camp at Baylor. The ESPN Reports states that some of the infractions occurred at this camp. Not long after, Griner commits to Baylor.
-Griner played AAU ball for DFW Elite, becoming the first really big name prospect from the Houston area to do so. Bone, the Ogwumikes, Christmas, Gilbert, and others all played for either Houston Elite, or Cy-Fair.
-Mulkey's daughter, who is a talented player, but not considered by most to be an elite prospect, played for DFW elite. Somehow, she made the roster of their highest level team, T-Jack, which is considered to be one of the best teams in the nation. This is the same team that Moriah Jefferson, Jordan Madden, Brooklyn Pope, and Odyssey Sims played for.
-As a parent, Mulkey attends her daughter's games, practices, etc. and has contact with other team parents, including the Griners. At tournaments, she sits with parents, not in the areas designated for college coaches, where their access to players is monitored and restricted. This subject was discussed in a HoopGurlz article while her daughter was still playing for DFW. Mulkey's approach was contrasted with the mother of Theresa Plaisance, who is at LSU. DoBee Plaisance, a coach at Loyola University in New Orleans, chose to sit with other college coaches, and limited contact with her daughter's teammates and parents, to avoid any appearance of impropriety.

Given the above coincidences, and the large number of phone call and text violations reported, do some of you still believe that Baylor's behavior is as innocent as giving Maya an ESPN tour?

I also find it interesting that since Sims signed with Baylor, only one other DFW Elite player, Kristina Higgins, has signed with them. Alexis Jones (who didn't play for DFW the last two summers) went to Duke. Jefferson to UConn. Jordan Jones and Chelsea Jennings to A&M. Empress Davenport to Texas. I do not know any of these girls or their families, but it makes me wonder if something was preventing them from wanting to go to Baylor.

I would hate for these violations to affect Griner's eligibility or career, since from all reports, she is a good kid. I doubt she or her family knowingly participated in activities that were against NCAA rules. But Baylor, as an institution, needs to be held accountable for the actions of their coaches.

Good luck to UConn and their team next year. I have long been a fan of your program, and after watching the McD's game, believe you are putting together something special, yet again.

Wow - great 1st post!

Thank you for giving us not only good information; but a different perspective.

 

[pinotbear]

And, just one minor addition: if I recall correctly, UConn did not ""give" Maya an ESPN tour - the UConn employee merely dialed the phone number for Mrs. Moore, then passed her the phone. That's it.

 

[stamfordhusky]

I guess UConn is allowed to have silly violations, but not Baylor..

UConn had one secondary violation. Baylor has a reported 1266. There is a difference. Also very different in the eyes of the NCAA.

 

[easttexastrash]

UConn had one secondary violation. Baylor has a reported 1266. There is a difference. Also very different in the eyes of the NCAA.

The only Mulkey violation mentioned so far is that she spoke to Griner's father while both of their daughters were playing on the same AAU program. I am not saying that is all that will be revealed, but for now, that is HER only reported violation. Mulkey's violation will probably stand as a "secondary" violation. However, if the picture is bigger for Mulkey, which I doubt, I would fully endorse whatever sanctions the NCAA regulations warrant.

I have no comment on the Maya situation as that is over and done with. Besides, I did hear that someone from Mulkey's staff made arrangements for BG to attend the Texas Armadillo Museum, so I don't want to throw stones.

I suspect that the self-imposed scholarship reduction and the described ban on off-campus recruiting will be about all that the women's program will be subject to. HOWEVER, the men's program may be in a world of hurt.

 

[easttexastrash]

UConn had one secondary violation. Baylor has a reported 1266. There is a difference. Also very different in the eyes of the NCAA.

It is yet to be determined how many violations the women's program committed. I can't imagine Mulkey being in great violation but you never know. Griner is a once in a lifetime recruit.

 

[easttexastrash]

I live in TX and my daughter is a high school basketball player. She is not an elite talent, will not play in college, and does not play for an AAU team. But I know parents of girls that are, will, and do. The following is some information you might want to consider in forming your opinions on potential Baylor violations.

-Baylor's recruiting coordinator, Damion McKinney, was hired by Baylor, from the DFW Elite AAU program in 2006. While hiring AAU coaches is a common practice of men's NCAA programs, it seems unusual for a women's team.
-In 2007, Griner attended elite camp at Baylor. The ESPN Reports states that some of the infractions occurred at this camp. Not long after, Griner commits to Baylor.
-Griner played AAU ball for DFW Elite, becoming the first really big name prospect from the Houston area to do so. Bone, the Ogwumikes, Christmas, Gilbert, and others all played for either Houston Elite, or Cy-Fair.
-Mulkey's daughter, who is a talented player, but not considered by most to be an elite prospect, played for DFW elite. Somehow, she made the roster of their highest level team, T-Jack, which is considered to be one of the best teams in the nation. This is the same team that Moriah Jefferson, Jordan Madden, Brooklyn Pope, and Odyssey Sims played for.
-As a parent, Mulkey attends her daughter's games, practices, etc. and has contact with other team parents, including the Griners. At tournaments, she sits with parents, not in the areas designated for college coaches, where their access to players is monitored and restricted. This subject was discussed in a HoopGurlz article while her daughter was still playing for DFW. Mulkey's approach was contrasted with the mother of Theresa Plaisance, who is at LSU. DoBee Plaisance, a coach at Loyola University in New Orleans, chose to sit with other college coaches, and limited contact with her daughter's teammates and parents, to avoid any appearance of impropriety.

Given the above coincidences, and the large number of phone call and text violations reported, do some of you still believe that Baylor's behavior is as innocent as giving Maya an ESPN tour?

I also find it interesting that since Sims signed with Baylor, only one other DFW Elite player, Kristina Higgins, has signed with them. Alexis Jones (who didn't play for DFW the last two summers) went to Duke. Jefferson to UConn. Jordan Jones and Chelsea Jennings to A&M. Empress Davenport to Texas. I do not know any of these girls or their families, but it makes me wonder if something was preventing them from wanting to go to Baylor.

I would hate for these violations to affect Griner's eligibility or career, since from all reports, she is a good kid. I doubt she or her family knowingly participated in activities that were against NCAA rules. But Baylor, as an institution, needs to be held accountable for the actions of their coaches.

Good luck to UConn and their team next year. I have long been a fan of your program, and after watching the McD's game, believe you are putting together something special, yet again.

Wow...someone has an ax to GrinDer. Zero proof and a lot of innuendo. I think that wHine was made with sour grapes.

 

[EricLA]

I live in TX and my daughter is a high school basketball player. She is not an elite talent, will not play in college, and does not play for an AAU team. But I know parents of girls that are, will, and do. The following is some information you might want to consider in forming your opinions on potential Baylor violations.

Good luck to UConn and their team next year. I have long been a fan of your program, and after watching the McD's game, believe you are putting together something special, yet again.

i didn't want to take up bandwith quoting your entire post, but it was excellent. certainly with a few somewhat provocative statements, but none were delivered with malice or with accompanying zingers. just stating the facts. probably the most interesting first post i've ever read on the BY!

you sound like a parent and if so, i wish you and your daughter the best as she enters and hopefully enjoys her college experience!

 

[easttexastrash]

i didn't want to take up bandwith quoting your entire post, but it was excellent. certainly with a few somewhat provocative statements, but none were delivered with malice or with accompanying zingers. just stating the facts. probably the most interesting first post i've ever read on the BY!

Smells of UT or TAMU to me.

 

[doggydaddy]

Wow...someone has an ax to GrinDer. Zero proof and a lot of innuendo. I think that wHine was made with sour grapes.

Try addressing each point instead of calling it sour grapes. Lots of fact in that post.

 

[doggydaddy]

Smells of UT or TAMU to me.

Please....it's a parent of a player who has inside info and an opinion. You don't like the message, that is clear. But your statements are much move provocative than her post.

 

[willtalk]

Smells of UT or TAMU to me.

" Me thinks the lady protests too much". You would have been better off just letting it be. The only thing your series of posts seems to have impacted is that of your own credibility. They seem to have had the opposite effect from what you might have intended. Doggydaddy said it best in the previous post.

 

[ladybears4eva]

These rules have been changed as of this summer, there are unlimited texts and phone calls. The mistake was with a compliance officer and his program which sends emails (which are unlimited) to recruits phones, which turned out to count as multiple messages per email.

It's a wait n see thing for us...we knew of this last summer.

 

[Icebear]

Smells of UT or TAMU to me.

You are not helping the Baylor cause by throwing around blind accusations.

 

[DaddyChoc]

These rules have been changed as of this summer, there are unlimited texts and phone calls. The mistake was with a compliance officer and his program which sends emails (which are unlimited) to recruits phones, which turned out to count as multiple messages per email.

It's a wait n see thing for us...we knew of this last summer.

and you didnt mention it... come on!

 

[DaddyChoc]

Wow...someone has an ax to GrinDer. Zero proof and a lot of innuendo. I think that wHine was made with sour grapes.

ax to grind, please.

 

[DaddyChoc]

Baylor's backbone?

Damion McKinney

lil joke about Mr McKinney on DeadSpin

Hasnt been allowed to make phone calls since Jan 1st

 

[ABachelor6CR]

typical NCAA nonsense, meanwhile "student/athletes" are getting $100 an hour jobs, and several thousand dollars to sign with some schools

Do you have proof to make this comment?

 

[justML]

These rules have been changed as of this summer, there are unlimited texts and phone calls. The mistake was with a compliance officer and his program which sends emails (which are unlimited) to recruits phones, which turned out to count as multiple messages per email.

It's a wait n see thing for us...we knew of this last summer.

Are you saying that during the recruitment process unlimited texts and phonoe calls can now be made? That doesn't sound right. Top recruits would be drowning in that much contact.

I'm not trying to be argumentative - I'm guessing I misread your post.

Any one out there know what the current "rule book" says?

 

[Icebear]

NCAA Recruiting Rules

"A college coach can sit down with a guardian or parent at a competition site. This is counted as one of the three in-person off-campus recruiting contacts a coach is permitted."

And a SECOND SOURCE

Ladybear would seem to be inaccurate if this site is up to date.

Third Site:
Email, Fax and Other Electronic Transmissions

• According to an NCAA bylaw interpretation, coaches may send recruits emails or faxes following the same rules for printed recruiting materials. The NCAA banned text messages and instant messaging to recruits in 2007. Coaches may contact recruits using social-networking sites such as Twitter and Facebook, but only through the direct-message and mail features. The NCAA forbids correspondence visible to other users of the services.

Contacts and Evaluations

• The NCAA defines "contact" as face-to-face engagement with a recruit or the recruit's parents that does not occur during a campus visit. An evaluation occurs when a coach watches a recruit compete or practice. Coaches may contact recruits during their senior year only. At the Division I level, the NCAA allows seven contacts and evaluations combined. The Division II level limits visits to three.

Read more: NCAA Rules for Basketball Recruiting | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_6309129_ncaa-rules-basketball-recruiting.html#ixzz1rdXbjB8l

 

[HuskyNan]

It's not the punishments for the texts and phone calls that could be bothersome for Baylor, it's the possibility of a "lack of institutional control" finding that could be a serious issue. Some schools have gotten whacked hard for that.

 

[easttexastrash]

" Me thinks the lady protests too much". You would have been better off just letting it be. The only thing your series of posts seems to have impacted is that of your own credibility. They seem to have had the opposite effect from what you might have intended. Doggydaddy said it best in the previous post.

I said point blank that I dont know if there is more to it and there could be. If there is the Mulkey should be subject to whatever the NCAA rules stipulate. I have no intentions of defending anything until all the facts are presented. Who knows what people are capable of.

But I will say that the other posters post has the stench of a bitter rival. It's loaded with unfounded innuendo.

As for DD's post, I haven't seen anything he has written in a long time. The "Ignore" button is a beautiful thing.