B12 - If we accept invite, in 10 years what is the outcome?

[CTBasketball]

I'm a Pats fan still waiting for season tickets. They aren't any more available now than they were before.

No, it's not a given. I think UConn fans threw a hissy fit and were angry Louisville was chosen. They reacted badly, and a series of weak teams after Ollie checked out made that much worse. Fans were better in the Perno era than late in the Ollie era.

Big XII would mean playing very good teams, and the fans should accept that. Quality of opponents won't drop. We know it would be packed for KU, but I have to believe it would be packed for other ranked teams too. The energy is mostly back and if UConn is winning, it will be fine.

That’s the thing. No one cares about Texas Tech, Kansas St, Iowa St, and Baylor.

They also don’t care about us. At all.

 

[CL82]

I don't. I'll root for UConn in the B12 and I'll root for UConn in the Big East. If they banish us to D3 I'll root for us to beat NYU there

Huskies>>>>>Violets

 

[August_West]

That’s the thing. No one cares about Texas Tech, Kansas St, Iowa St, and Baylor.

They also don’t care about us. At all.

nor should they

 

[Deleted at users request]

I'm a Pats fan still waiting for season tickets. They aren't any more available now than they were before.

No, it's not a given. I think UConn fans threw a hissy fit and were angry Louisville was chosen. They reacted badly, and a series of weak teams after Ollie checked out made that much worse. Fans were better in the Perno era than late in the Ollie era.

Big XII would mean playing very good teams, and the fans should accept that. Quality of opponents won't drop. We know it would be packed for KU, but I have to believe it would be packed for other ranked teams too. The energy is mostly back and if UConn is winning, it will be fine.

Another recruiting advantage we’d probably be giving up is playing at MSG.

No more Big East tournaments or playing St John’s. Just saying. Instead we’d have to play… where the hell do they play in the Big 12??

Big East basketball means something to me man!

 

[August_West]

Huskies>>>>>Violets

Huskies>>>B12

 

[CL82]

How did the conference commissioner get such a good deal for the conference without Texas and Oklahoma?

Hinted they'd be bringing in Connecticut?

 

[CL82]

Huskies>>>B12

Well let's hope we get a chance to prove that on a consistent basis.

 

[CTBasketball]

nor should they

Has anyone been to Waco TX or Manhattan KS? It’s the literal opposite of Storrs CT.

 

[August_West]

Well let's hope we get a chance to prove that on a consistent basis.

We already do. Daily.

 

[August_West]

Has anyone been to Waco TX or Manhattan KS? It’s the literal opposite of Storrs CT.

I prefer Lubbock

 

[superjohn]

I think there is a zero percent chance that conference affiliation has anything to do with tournament success for a team that gets in 70% of the time. It's not a feasible possibility. If we get in the tournament regularly then we'll get the same shots to go deep we have in the Big East. It makes no difference. The only risk is that fans stop supporting the team as they did when we joined the American. That's it. It's entirely on us. If fans decide that they want to see us play #20 Xavier instead of #19 K-State, and don't show up, the program will suffer. I'm hoping our fans won't react that way.

Also: we aren't becoming a top 20-25 football team on a regular basis. I don't expect that. Few programs are in that tier.

I'm describing Providence under Cooley and Seton Hall under Willard. Teams that make it most years but make no noise. I'm describing a scenario where Big 12 membership hurts UConn where they're still a good team but never a threat to win it all.

I don't think it's totally out of the realm of possibility that UConn gets major juice in football under Mora with a move to the Big 12 where they are pretty regularly ranked in that 20-25 range.

These are hypotheticals. Maybe doesn't end up exactly the way I'm describing but would you take UConn getting a major boost in football while remaining good in basketball but no longer being a threat of ever winning it all?

 

[FearThePups]

Great point. 1 out of the last 14 national championship game winners was a school that puts football above basketball, Baylor.

If we take out the $30M a year we would be getting in the B12, how many of you would still want to leave the Big East? Is it really all about the money or is there something I’m missing here?

 

[Deleted at users request]

You've been on this board long enough, you don't think we'd complain about that lol?

The only gripe people really had was not making it out the first round.

I love the fact that Hurley figured it out this year and won us a championship. He has us setup for long term success truly. But that doesn’t make everyone who pointed out the things he needed to change (that he did for us to win) wrong previously.

That’s all I have to say on that matter in this thread. Point is, not one team that has left the Big East improved by doing so. Especially immediately.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I dont believe that for a second.

Doesn't matter what you believe. I've been waiting 10 years or so. Club seats can be had. That's a function of money.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I really need someone to explain with some real detail how shy of coaching malfeasance, moving to a top basketball conference and having more money to spend on coaching salaries and recruiting will kill the men's basketball program.

Hell, I need someone to explain how it would make us less competitive.

 

[FearThePups]

And we didn't hit a royal flush but we definitely hit a full house getting back to the big east. I'll stand pat

Agreed. Stay where we are until things shake out with the ACC then see what that would look like.

 

[August_West]

Doesn't matter what you believe. I've been waiting 10 years or so. Club seats can be had. That's a function of money.

So there was a list and you are saying it hasnt shortened in last few years?

LOL

 

[August_West]

I really need someone to explain with some real detail how shy of coaching malfeasance, moving to a top basketball conference and having more money to spend on coaching salaries and recruiting will kill the men's basketball program.

Hell, I need someone to explain how it would make us less competitive.

Sit this one out my friend, the adults are hashing it out.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Sit this one out my friend, the adults are hashing it out.

So, no real answer, only hyperbole.

You are a child.

 

[Scoe]

People would’ve called you crazy if you said Jim Calhoun would turn UConn into a basketball power. Going to the Big 12 you would have the money to pay Mora so he would stay, and if he ever did leave for the Big Ten or SEC or the NFL it would be a more attractive job for the next HC.

 

[August_West]

Its all right in front of you.

Conference dollars = 0 success

 

[FearThePups]

Less of a chance he leaves if UConn is in the Big 12 and they would have a lot more money to replace him if he did.

I would be really surprised if he left if UConn was in the Big 12.

As to basketball and football.

Crystal ball time...Say if the move was a resounding success in football with UConn being a top 20-25 team going forward but the move really hurt the basketball team and they went from where they are now to just being a good team that makes the tournament 70% of the time but never makes noise would people vote for a move to the Big 12 or staying in the Big East?

I’d stay put. We already know and feel what’s it’s like to be the king. To me, that’s better than an invite to the Jiffy Lube bowl game in Akron.

 

[superjohn]

I really need someone to explain with some real detail how shy of coaching malfeasance, moving to a top basketball conference and having more money to spend on coaching salaries and recruiting will kill the men's basketball program.

Hell, I need someone to explain how it would make us less competitive.

I don't think people think it will kill basketball, I think some people think it would hurt basketball for a variety of reasons some of which are we would be leaving a conference run out of NYC and Providence to join a conference run out of Texas and Kansas. Being the geographic and cultural outlier is a danger in terms of refs, travel, fans etc. We would be giving up the best tournament in basketball in the best city/arena in basketball which is overrun with UConn fans every season for something in Dallas/Fort Worth Kansas. We would be leaving our position as the king of our conference to join a conference where Kansas are the kings, they own that conference in basketball like no other program owns their conference in basketball or football.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I'm describing Providence under Cooley and Seton Hall under Willard. Teams that make it most years but make no noise. I'm describing a scenario where Big 12 membership hurts UConn where they're still a good team but never a threat to win it all.

I don't think it's totally out of the realm of possibility that UConn gets major juice in football under Mora with a move to the Big 12 where they are pretty regularly ranked in that 20-25 range.

These are hypotheticals. Maybe doesn't end up exactly the way I'm describing but would you take UConn getting a major boost in football while remaining good in basketball but no longer being a threat of ever winning it all?

I don't think it's possible. I believe that even more looking at how few teams have won multiple titles. There is something that makes those teams different and I don't believe any conference change can make UConn into PC. We will either stink or we will be UConn.

With Jay Wright gone, there's no real foil for us in the Big East. I think Neptune will fail. Maybe Shaka can do it over time at Marquette, that's the best chance. But Kansas would give us that next level opponent, a real championship contender like we are, that the Big East doesn't have with Wright gone.

I can't answer your final question because I think what makes UConn a "threat to win it all" is that it's UConn. If it gets in, it's a threat. Period. I think 2014 showed that clearly enough. I think you can take Hurley and our entire roster from last year and put them in Seton Hall uniforms and they wouldn't get to the final four. There's a certain mystique around the teams that win in March. We still have it, even after our misadventures.

 

[FearThePups]

Sure that’s what I want - can we make that an option in the poll so I can select it?

Would you rather jump to the AAC, and then say, oops, my bad?

 

[superjohn]

I don't think it's possible. I believe that even more looking at how few teams have won multiple titles. There is something that makes those teams different and I don't believe any conference change can make UConn into PC. We will either stink or we will be UConn.

With Jay Wright gone, there's no real foil for us in the Big East. I think Neptune will fail. Maybe Shaka can do it over time at Marquette, that's the best chance. But Kansas would give us that next level opponent, a real championship contender like we are, that the Big East doesn't have with Wright gone.

I can't answer your final question because I think what makes UConn a "threat to win it all" is that it's UConn. If it gets in, it's a threat. Period. I think 2014 showed that clearly enough. I think you can take Hurley and our entire roster from last year and put them in Seton Hall uniforms and they wouldn't get to the final four. There's a certain mystique around the teams that win in March. We still have it, even after our misadventures.

You don't think UConn being good but not what they were is a possible scenario but you think UConn going from great to stinking is a possible scenario...

Now you've completely lost me.

 

[Deleted at users request]

I don't think it's possible. I believe that even more looking at how few teams have won multiple titles. There is something that makes those teams different and I don't believe any conference change can make UConn into PC. We will either stink or we will be UConn.

With Jay Wright gone, there's no real foil for us in the Big East. I think Neptune will fail. Maybe Shaka can do it over time at Marquette, that's the best chance. But Kansas would give us that next level opponent, a real championship contender like we are, that the Big East doesn't have with Wright gone.

I can't answer your final question because I think what makes UConn a "threat to win it all" is that it's UConn. If it gets in, it's a threat. Period. I think 2014 showed that clearly enough. I think you can take Hurley and our entire roster from last year and put them in Seton Hall uniforms and they wouldn't get to the final four. There's a certain mystique around the teams that win in March. We still have it, even after our misadventures.

I think Pitino at St John’s and, dare I say, Cooley at Georgetown can bring those programs back to up the Big East’s profile.

We have a good argument for having the best collection of coaches in college basketball. Hell, even Butler has Thad Matta who’s been to a NC game. Seton Hall’s coach went to an elite 8.

 

[Waquoit]

The only gripe people really had was not making it out the first round.

I love the fact that Hurley figured it out this year and won us a championship.

Yeah, he had his core 4 players shoot better than 30%. A regular Terminator.

 

[HuskyHawk]

So there was a list and you are saying it hasnt shortened in last few years?

LOL

Nope. As of 2022:

“Only 480 new season tickets have been issued since 2019,” James said to the Globe. “But the wait list has grown by 6,258 season tickets since then.”

 

[FearThePups]

You mean their scraps that get rejected by the big conferences too? What big name school is the Big 12 going to pull?

Oregon is fighting like hell for the Big Ten to let them on the lifeboat with USC and UCLA.

B12 is looking to pull in Arizona, Colorado and ASU. We’re only interesting to the B12 for our basketball programs and an east coast toehold. We are irrelevant to them with our football team. In other words, they need us more than we need them.