B12 - If we accept invite, in 10 years what is the outcome?

[DFW HOYA]

It's badly phrased. Big XII will be 3 religious private schools and 9 public schools. Big East is one public school and 10 religious private schools.

Butler is not religiously affiliated.

 

[Deleted at users request]

I didn't say anything remotely close to that...

You said trade places. That’s a part of trading places. They took the money and it made none of their programs better. While hurting the best parts of their AD’s performance.

 

[Deleted at users request]

What makes you think this period of expansion is the end game for the B12?

Who do you think the Big 12 is going to pull to help with their brand issues?

 

[navery12]

You kinda did.

I thought it was painfully obvious in a conference realignment thread I was talking about how we would take Syracuse and Pitt's spot in the ACC. In what possible world would I say I want to trade a national championship for a missed tournament appearance?

 

[Duncan Idaho]

Definitely hyperbole to the money part. Just don’t know if the money is worth it if it hurts the basketball programs. Since they are the cash cows.

The Big 12 is pretty competitive in football. Even without Texas and OU. It’s going to be really hard competing with programs who have Texas as their recruiting grounds.

The new schools Cincinnati, BYU, and UCF dominanted their previous conferences. UConn is not close to that.

You don't follow football recruiting. QB they got a verbal from the DFW Area is a big deal..

 

[CTBasketball]

I have an idea.

Someone in here make a PowerPoint saying how good we are and send it to the Big 12. They will for sure let us in if we do that.

 

[August_West]

You said trade places. That’s a part of trading places. They took the money and it made none of their programs better. While hurting the best parts of their AD’s performance.

BC
Louisville
Syracuse
Pitt


hell let throw in
Virginia Tech
jesus even Miami
West Virginia?


Hows that going?

Its p5 Valhalla

 

[HuskyHawk]

Butler is not religiously affiliated.

Fine. Not anymore. Doesn't change the point. Big XII mostly public universities. Big East, we are the only one.

 

[navery12]

You said trade places. That’s a part of trading places. They took the money and it made none of their programs better. While hurting the best parts of their AD’s performance.

No it's not. They suck because they made awful coaching decisions, not because they're in the ACC. This is a dumb argument

 

[superjohn]

I think Mora was a great hire and will elevate football. I’m just not sure what the ceiling of the program is and if he does well will he move on immediately? The football program is super lucky to have a former NFL coach right now. If he does leave, then what?

It’s very shaky ground to make long term decisions off of. Every decision should be about what’s in the best interest of basketball.

If anything, if/when Mora does well maybe the Big Ten does come calling to get a piece of the New York market they were stupid enough to think Rutgers was suppose to help with.

Less of a chance he leaves if UConn is in the Big 12 and they would have a lot more money to replace him if he did.

I would be really surprised if he left if UConn was in the Big 12.

As to basketball and football.

Crystal ball time...Say if the move was a resounding success in football with UConn being a top 20-25 team going forward but the move really hurt the basketball team and they went from where they are now to just being a good team that makes the tournament 70% of the time but never makes noise would people vote for a move to the Big 12 or staying in the Big East?

 

[Duncan Idaho]

Who do you think the Big 12 is going to pull to help with their brand issues?

Long term, probably pieces of Pac10 and ACC.

 

[August_West]

No it's not. They suck because they made awful coaching decisions, not because they're in the ACC. This is a dumb argument

all of them?

BC
Louisville
Syracuse
Pitt



Virginia Tech
even Miami
West Virginia?

How did 7 teams with so much P5 money make all the same coaching failures?

 

[August_West]

Long term, probably pieces of Pac10 and ACC.

So why cant we wait for the pieces?

 

[navery12]

all of them?

BC
Louisville
Syracuse
Pitt



Virginia Tech
even Miami
West Virginia?

I mean, yes. The top group absolutely, BC is just terrible at all things so they would suck anywhere. The bottom group I would all classify as being successful post leaving the Big East

 

[Bazz4A]

So your choice is to do nothing then find out you were wrong and say "oops, my bad"?

Sure that’s what I want - can we make that an option in the poll so I can select it?

 

[August_West]

I mean, yes. The top group absolutely, BC is just terrible at all things so they would suck anywhere. The bottom group I would all classify as being successful post leaving the Big East

Really?

You and I have a different definition of success.

 

[navery12]

Really?

You and I have a different definition of success.

Relative to their schools yes. I wouldn't be happy with UConn having seasons like they've had, but all those schools are multiple tiers below UConn.

Miami's run the past few seasons is about the best they can hope for and would be a disappointing run for UConn

 

[Deleted at users request]

Less of a chance he leaves if UConn is in the Big 12 and they would have a lot more money to replace him if he did.

I would be really surprised if he left if UConn was in the Big 12.

As to basketball and football.

Crystal ball time...Say if the move was a resounding success in football with UConn being a top 20-25 team going forward but the move really hurt the basketball team and they went from where they are now to just being a good team that makes the tournament 70% of the time but never makes noise would people vote for a move to the Big 12 or staying in the Big East?

Do you think we’d be able to keep him over the SEC or Big Ten? He’s going to be a super hot name if he turns UConn of all places into a top 25 team with NFL coaching experience.

I would still vote for staying in the Big East and winning championships while being able to little bro Providence.

 

[FearThePups]

Facts hurt sometimes. Why do we want to give up a 5 time NC winner with a bullet? And here’s the thing if that was the football team winning 5 and I was a destitute hoops fan I wouldn’t want to torpedo football to go on a wish and a star for hoops.

Well said.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Less of a chance he leaves if UConn is in the Big 12 and they would have a lot more money to replace him if he did.

I would be really surprised if he left if UConn was in the Big 12.

As to basketball and football.

Crystal ball time...Say if the move was a resounding success in football with UConn being a top 20-25 team going forward but the move really hurt the basketball team and they went from where they are now to just being a good team that makes the tournament 70% of the time but never makes noise would people vote for a move to the Big 12 or staying in the Big East?

I think there is a zero percent chance that conference affiliation has anything to do with tournament success for a team that gets in 70% of the time. It's not a feasible possibility. If we get in the tournament regularly then we'll get the same shots to go deep we have in the Big East. It makes no difference. The only risk is that fans stop supporting the team as they did when we joined the American. That's it. It's entirely on us. If fans decide that they want to see us play #20 Xavier instead of #19 K-State, and don't show up, the program will suffer. I'm hoping our fans won't react that way.

Also: we aren't becoming a top 20-25 football team on a regular basis. I don't expect that. Few programs are in that tier.

 

[August_West]

Relative to their schools yes. I wouldn't be happy with UConn having seasons like they've had, but all those schools are multiple tiers below UConn.

Miami's run the past few seasons is about the best they can hope for and would be a disappointing run for UConn

and their football team is a shell of what it once was. But yet you want to go down the same path.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Lol - Pitt won a tournament game this season and Miami played in the friggin final 4 vs someone but I'm forgetting who. West Va made the tournament too.

 

[August_West]

The only risk is that fans stop supporting the team as they did when we joined the American. That's it. It's entirely on us. If fans decide that they want to see us play #20 Xavier instead of #19 K-State, and don't show up, the program will suffer.

Arent you a Pats fan?

And you dont recognize that as a given instead of a hypothesis?

 

[Deleted at users request]

Relative to their schools yes. I wouldn't be happy with UConn having seasons like they've had, but all those schools are multiple tiers below UConn.

Miami's run the past few seasons is about the best they can hope for and would be a disappointing run for UConn

An elite 8 and final four would be a disappointing run for us??

 

[FearThePups]

So I will be fair here. KO checking out was an equal factor to our demise as AAC. That being said, when we replaced KO Hurley desperately wanted out of AAC . Why?

Agreed. And has anybody bothered to ask Hurley if he wants to go to the B12? Maybe we’d lose him if that happened.