AP Top 25 | Page 8 | The Boneyard

AP Top 25

bballnut90 said:
Oregon has three top ten wins over the past ten days. UCONN is 0-1 vs top ten teams so far this year. The Ducks deserve to be ahead at this point.
Expand ...
No argument - Oregon is badass. They shouldn’t have lost to ASU though, and Oregon State doesn’t belong in the top 10 anyway. At least UCONN has no < top 10 losses.

(I had Oregon 3 and UConn 4 on my BY25 ballot this morning, but could see it either way - just sayin’)
 
A few things I noted. Agreed Oregon St. does not belong in the Top 10 at this point. Pains me to say it, but you can't lose 4 out of 5 and still be ranked that high. Doesn't even matter who they lost to. You have to win some games.

Maryland jumping Iowa is dumb. Iowa is all alone in first place in the Big 10 and beat Maryland a couple weeks ago. Nonsensical.

Tennessee got destroyed in the 2nd half against UConn and had narrow victories over Alabama and LSU at home, not sure how that equates to moving up in the poll.
 
Last edited:
bballnut90 said:
Oregon has three top ten wins over the past ten days. UCONN is 0-1 vs top ten teams so far this year. The Ducks deserve to be ahead at this point.
Expand ...

UCONN's best two wins are DePaul and Tennessee.

They've looked vulnerable all season long.

I have it:

1. South Carolina
2. Baylor
3. Louisville
4. Oregon
5. UCONN
6. NC State
7. Oregon State
8. Stanford
9. Miss State
10. UCLA

If you take resume out of it, I'd probably make South Carolina, Baylor, Oregon the top 3 in some order.

I haven't seen enough of Louisville.

We'll have a really good idea about UCONN in two weeks or so.
 
j66kicker said:
Hmm... You didn't mention UConn dropping to #4 and getting passed for #3 by Oregon. (Do you see us ever losing to ASU??)

And of course Louisville still gets a first place vote... :rolleyes:
Expand ...
Deb @#@#$%$%^^& Antonelli!!! Head bang

Unfortunately Louisville only has 3 games of significance left to expose them before the ACC tournament. 2/6 vs. FSU (come on @Crazyhorse I am rooting for you) 2/13 at NC State (come on @LETTERL as I said, I want NC State to win the ACC this year!, make me true believer!) and 3/1 vs. VPI.
 
Gamecockfan77 said:
UCONN's best two wins are DePaul Notre Dame and Tennessee.
Expand ...
There, I fixed it for you! From an RPI or Massey ranking, DePaul was a good win but don't underestimate the dislike of MM on this board...:D
 
.-.
nwhoopfan said:
A few things I noted. Agreed Oregon St. does not belong in the Top 10 at this point. Pains me to say it, but you can't lose 4 out of 5 and still be ranked that high. Doesn't even matter who they lost to. You have to win some games.

Maryland jumping Iowa is dumb. Iowa is all alone in the first place in the Big 10 and beat Maryland a couple weeks ago. Nonsensical.

Tennessee got destroyed in the 2nd half against UConn and had narrow victories over Alabama and LSU at home, not sure how that equates to moving up in the poll.
Expand ...

I maybe have Oregon State way too high at 7, but I just can't give them too many demerits for losing to Oregon and Stanford close. I thought they looked the part of a strong team vs Oregon.

I'm not sure that I see much separation between 5-12. If I wasn't worried about being a homer, I'd probably have Miss State higher.
 
nwhoopfan said:
A few things I noted. Agreed Oregon St. does not belong in the Top 10 at this point. Pains me to say it, but you can't lose 4 out of 5 and still be ranked that high. Doesn't even matter who they lost to. You have to win some games.

Maryland jumping Iowa is dumb. Iowa is all alone in the first place in the Big 10 and beat Maryland a couple weeks ago. Nonsensical.

Tennessee got destroyed in the 2nd half against UConn and had narrow victories over Alabama and LSU at home, not sure how that equates to moving up in the poll.
Expand ...

Wins are wins. Tennessee jumped from 23 to 22...not exactly a meaningful jump. Has more to do with Arkansas losing than anything else.
 
Gamecockfan77 said:
UCONN's best two wins are DePaul and Tennessee.

They've looked vulnerable all season long.

I have it:

1. South Carolina
2. Baylor
3. Louisville
4. Oregon
5. UCONN
6. NC State
7. Oregon State
8. Stanford
9. Miss State
10. UCLA

If you take resume out of it, I'd probably make South Carolina, Baylor, Oregon the top 3 in some order.

I haven't seen enough of Louisville.

We'll have a really good idea about UCONN in two weeks or so.
Expand ...

Louisville also has looked vulnerable during stretches this year. I'd put them at 5 after Oregon and UCONN. And how do you put Stanford behind OSU when they just beat them in Corvallis?
 
Plebe said:
Arkansas is like teflon this year. They've lost to Cal and Georgia and haven't beaten anyone, and yet somehow are still ranked at end of January.
Expand ...

I've got them 25th. It's not really clear to me who to put above them.

Looking at Massey, I guess the options would be:

Florida Gulf Coast, West Virginia, Missouri State, Rutgers, North Carolina, Virginia Tech, LSU, maybe Texas?

Just not any particularly appetizing choices there.

I've got Arky at the end there as a personal preference place holder. I like their big three.
 
Gamecockfan77 said:
I've got them 25th. It's not really clear to me who to put above them.

Looking at Massey, I guess the options would be:

Florida Gulf Coast, West Virginia, Missouri State, Rutgers, North Carolina, Virginia Tech, LSU, maybe Texas?

Just not any particularly appetizing choices there.

I've got Arky at the end there as a personal preference place holder. I like their big three.
Expand ...
Just speaking for myself: Especially by this time of the season, I'm expecting teams to have *something* on the resume to prove they're deserving of a ranking. Arkansas has zero good wins to counterbalance their bad losses, and their ranking seems to be persisting on the fumes from last year's SEC tournament. The other teams at least have wins over the top 50, and/or they don't have bad losses.

I agree that the alternatives aren't extremely appealing, but I'd for sure take FGCU and Missouri State over Arkansas. FGCU has no bad losses at all. Missouri State has one bad loss to Southern Illinois, but frankly that's not as bad as a Cal loss per the metrics, plus Missouri State actually has good wins.
 
bballnut90 said:
Louisville also has looked vulnerable during stretches this year. I'd put them at 5 after Oregon and UCONN. And how do you put Stanford behind OSU when they just beat them in Corvallis?
Expand ...

i try to be resume based, and I think I've probably got Oregon State wrong.

I have South Carolina over Baylor due to the head to head.

Then the next three are Louisville, Oregon and UConn.

I think Oregon probably on strength belongs more with South Carolina and Baylor, but facts remains they have two losses and one of them is a head to head with Louisville, which for Louisville is a better win than anything UCONN has going for it at the moment.

on reflection, if we had a revote from what I did this morning, I'd drop Oregon State to somewhere between 9-13 or so. While I don't think losing to Oregon twice is any more significant than just losing once, I should honor the head to head vs Stanford and weigh four overall losses a little more against them if I'm resume based.

That was more careless than intentioned, I think.
 
.-.
Plebe said:
Just speaking for myself: Especially by this time of the season, I'm expecting teams to have *something* on the resume to prove they're deserving of a ranking. Arkansas has zero good wins to counterbalance their bad losses, and their ranking seems to be persisting on the fumes from last year's SEC tournament. The other teams at least have wins over the top 50, and/or they don't have bad losses.

I agree that the alternatives aren't extremely appealing, but I'd for sure take FGCU and Missouri State over Arkansas. FGCU has no bad losses at all. Missouri State has one bad loss to Southern Illinois, but frankly that's not as bad as a Cal loss per the metrics, plus Missouri State actually has good wins.
Expand ...

I see the argument.

Missouri State would sit with me better that FGC. If they had not lost this week as well, I'd have probably had them 25.

I have not as much sympathy for FGC, who has not beaten anyone and has lost at LSU and Princeton. Nothing to be ashamed of exactly, but not exactly making the best of opportunity.

I just know that Arkansas has three high level offensive players that I've seen.

I don't claim it's a completely informed view. I should probably make time to watch Missouri State. That might help me.
 
j66kicker said:
Hmm... You didn't mention UConn dropping to #4 and getting passed for #3 by Oregon. (Do you see us ever losing to ASU??)

And of course Louisville still gets a first place vote... :rolleyes:
Expand ...
They must be playing the Sweet 16 in Vegas.
 
cockhrnleghrn said:
They must be playing the Sweet 16 in Vegas.
Expand ...
I seriously think Debbie is trying to kiss up to Walz because -- as she couldn't stop blabbering about on one of her broadcasts -- he is slated to join the NCAA rules committee after this season (?). She of course has an entire agenda of rule changes she wants to push through, pushy person she is.
 
Plebe said:
I seriously think Debbie is trying to kiss up to Walz because -- as she couldn't stop blabbering about on one of her broadcasts -- he is slated to join the NCAA rules committee after this season (?). She of course has an entire agenda of rule changes she wants to push through, pushy person she is.
Expand ...
By Plebe, I think you've got it!
 
Gamecockfan77 said:
I see the argument.

Missouri State would sit with me better that FGC. If they had not lost this week as well, I'd have probably had them 25.

I have not as much sympathy for FGC, who has not beaten anyone and has lost at LSU and Princeton. Nothing to be ashamed of exactly, but not exactly making the best of opportunity.

I just know that Arkansas has three high level offensive players that I've seen.

I don't claim it's a completely informed view. I should probably make time to watch Missouri State. That might help me.
Expand ...

A Talented ND team, Temple, UCF... and They routed Duke.. although Duke was missing its most talented player ,
 
.-.
Gamecockfan77 said:
I have not as much sympathy for FGC, who has not beaten anyone and has lost at LSU and Princeton. Nothing to be ashamed of exactly, but not exactly making the best of opportunity.
Expand ...
But you can easily make the same point about Arkansas squandering their opportunities ... plus Arkansas has bad losses that FGCU doesn't.
 
triaddukefan said:
Well they are a ACC Tournament team :p
Expand ...
... and a Cancun tournament team! They were only 2 games from a perfect record in that tournament :D
 
.-.
Arkansas lost by only 9 pts at SC.

If it wasn’t for the Georgia loss, Arkansas would have 6 victories in a row in conference. Doesn’t seem all that bad to me, but we’ll see how they’ll do at home against SC in their next game. A respectable loss should keep them in the Top 25. A win will have them bolting up.
 
mbr33ct said:
Let me add to your list, "They're in the SEC"

If another team from the SEC should be included, I would opt for LSU over Arkansas.
Expand ...
Kentucky is another SEC team that is grossly overranked, and has been all season.
 
Last edited:
Shades said:
Arkansas lost by only 9 pts at SC.

If it wasn’t for the Georgia loss, Arkansas would have 6 victories in a row in conference. Doesn’t seem all that bad to me, but we’ll see how they’ll do at home against SC in their next game. A respectable loss should keep them in the Top 25. A win will have them bolting up.
Expand ...
This is the problem with just browsing the final scores. South Carolina completely dominated this game: led by 18 in the 1st quarter, by 21 in both the 2nd and 3rd quarters, and still led by 15 with 4:20 to play. A scoring flurry to make the final MOV slightly more respectable isn't all that impressive to me.

If we're going to rank teams just for a single "respectable loss," let's put Cal Baptist in the top 25 for playing a truly close game against Stanford.
 
.-.
You must log in or register to reply here.

Forum statistics

Threads
168,267
Messages
4,560,480
Members
10,452
Latest member
WashingtonH


Top Bottom