ACC football.

[Fishy]

That's why going undefeated is fairly tough. And the best teams don't stumble.

I'm not giving Bama a bye on this, their kicking game was horrible and they wouldn't have been in their situation had they a kicker like FSU's....

Too smug by double.

Alabama wouldn't even need a kicker in the ACC.

 

[billybud]

Any game can be won or lost on penalties, turnovers, or just plain bad luck.

How many times will an Auburn win two games in a row on last second Hail Mary plays? You have to be good to go undefeated, but you also have to be lucky.

 

[billybud]

Too smug by double.

Alabama wouldn't even need a kicker in the ACC.

Maybe not...but FSU's kicker has missed one kick all year. And Bama would have won with him..IMHO

 

[upstater]

Yeah those are two data points. UCF also held on for dear life against bad teams.

I think they are the best team in the American but are probably 13th-17th overall.

I'll name some teams tell me which they are better than:

FSU
Ohio State
Alabama
Auburn
Missouri
Oklahoma State
Baylor
Stanford
Oregon
Michigan State
Arizona State
Wisconsin
South Carolina
Texas A&M

Right, but he wrote that UCF could draw N Illinois, which is a game they might win, implying they'd have a tough time beating Wisconsin or Michigan St. or Oregon or Oklahoma St. or South Carolina.

 

[billybud]

Maybe not...but FSU's kicker has missed one kick all year. And Bama would have won with him..IMHO

You disagree? That was the subject..not how strong Bama may be in the ACC.

 

[billybud]

Too smug by double.

Alabama wouldn't even need a kicker in the ACC.

The more I read this smarmy remark...the more off topic I see it...just another swipe at the ACC when it was Bama's loss because of their kicking game that was being discussed.

Aguayo at FSU is 18 of 19 for field goals...I just think that Bama would be clearly in the NC race had they had a kicker.

 

[whaler11]

Right, but he wrote that UCF could draw N Illinois, which is a game they might win, implying they'd have a tough time beating Wisconsin or Michigan St. or Oregon or Oklahoma St. or South Carolina.

I wrote that. And I think UCF would beat Northern Illinois and lose to Wisconsin, Michigan State, Oregon and Oklahoma State. They already lost to South Carolina at home.

Do you think UCF is better than Wisconsin, Michigan State, Oregon or Oklahoma State?

 

[billybud]

Oregon would be a tough match up for UCF...

UCF was close to beating South Carolina but also has had some close 3 point wins over non stellar teams like Temple and USF.

Hard for me to figure which UCF would be playing.

 

[Fishy]

Aguayo at FSU is 18 of 19 for field goals...I just think that Bama would be clearly in the NC race had they had a kicker.

That's fine and all, but if he's 0-19, Florida State is currently undefeated and ranked #1.

Alabama has a tougher row to hoe and a bad day for their field goal kicker will cost 'em.

They're not blowing dandelions every weekend.

 

[billybud]

Alabama had some tough games...

But they also played Chattanooga, Colorado State, and Georgia State...

Add in a weak conference teams Arkansas (who lost to Rutgers and to every SEC opponent), 10 loss Kentucky (who lost to Western Kentucky), 7 loss Tennessee (who even Florida rolled over), 6 loss Miss. state and 5 loss Ole Miss....

 

[billybud]

A weak part of their game killed Bama in a crucial contest...

That is why being strong on all sides of the ball...defense, offense and ST can help prevent a loss...

I was surprised that Saban was in this situation with his kicking game since he is usually a pefectionist.

 

[upstater]

I wrote that. And I think UCF would beat Northern Illinois and lose to Wisconsin, Michigan State, Oregon and Oklahoma State. They already lost to South Carolina at home.

Do you think UCF is better than Wisconsin, Michigan State, Oregon or Oklahoma State?

The key word he used was "Might." Do I think UCF has a decent chance to beat those teams? Yes. 45/55. I've seen the B1G teams in particular play quite a bit. I never saw PSU so thoroughly dominated this year as against UCF and Ohio St. Otherwise, PSU went toe-to-toe with competition.

 

[whaler11]

The key word he used was "Might." Do I think UCF has a decent chance to beat those teams? Yes. 45/55. I've seen the B1G teams in particular play quite a bit. I never saw PSU so thoroughly dominated this year as against UCF and Ohio St. Otherwise, PSU went toe-to-toe with competition.

You have UCF as 45/55 to beat those schools. Well you should get rich with that advantage as the rest of the world has them in any matchup at 20/80.

 

[upstater]

You have UCF as 45/55 to beat those schools. Well you should get rich with that advantage as the rest of the world has them in any matchup at 20/80.

That's because they are underrating UCF. UCF is much better than people think. Teams like Wisconsin, on the other hand, are incredibly overrated. Wisconsin hasn't beaten a decent team all year, despite their record. In a bowl game like that, I ook at the QBs, and the difference between those two QBs is huge. Wisky's guy can't hit the broadside of a barn, whereas Bortles is looking at a pro career.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I hate to give the troll a shred of credibility, but since he won't list any more teams better than UConn, I will rejoin the debate.

There is not really enough information to tell which teams are better than which teams. The SEC went 3-1 in the end of season ACC rivalry games, but does beating a bunch of ACC teams mean a league is good? There are so few games between major conference teams and so many against FCS opponents, that who knows? Every single P5 conference played more FCS teams than games against schools from the other P5 conferences. I think that fact alone should eliminate any conference claiming they are superior to any other. If they want to get credit for a 1 loss team, maybe they should play a tougher schedule.

 

[btstimpy]

I wrote last week that Clemson wasn't for real. They never are. Now someone needs to explain why UCF is behind Clemson when UCF's only loss was a very close game to the team that just dominated Clemson.

It's a long stretch for you to call South Carolina's win over Clemson a domination. I watched the whole thing. The Game was tied in the fourth quarter. Clemson had 6 turnovers and only lost by 14. Calling it a self destruction would be more accurate than any domination. Or better yet a flop by Tahj Boyd. He caused most of the turnovers himself.

On the other hand Florida State dominated Clemson. Those were Clemson's only losses. Clemson could do very well in their bowl game.

 

[billybud]

I don't care where you play...it is difficult to win 13 games. A team that wins 13 games in an AQ conference is either real good or has been lucky in a couple of close games.

What helps FSU isn't necessarily the conference strength but the eye test. FSU has just been rolling the 'ers...standing 'em up and knocking them down by four TD's or more.

And they have passed the eye test on all sides of the ball...16 different defenders have recorded an interception (that may be a record), 15 different receivers have a TD pass, the kicker has made 18 of 19 FG's and has established an NCAA record by hitting all 84 of his extra points this season; that’s the most PATs for a kicker in a season without missing.

The offense and defense are both ranked Top Five..

 

[upstater]

It's a long stretch for you to call South Carolina's win over Clemson a domination. I watched the whole thing. The Game was tied in the fourth quarter. Clemson had 6 turnovers and only lost by 14. Calling it a self destruction would be more accurate than any domination. Or better yet a flop by Tahj Boyd. He caused most of the turnovers himself.

On the other hand Florida State dominated Clemson. Those were Clemson's only losses. Clemson could do very well in their bowl game.

I don't believe in Clemson. I have said that for a while. Clemson is better known for giving up 70 points in bowls than they are in winning them.

 

[whaler11]

That's because they are underrating UCF. UCF is much better than people think. Teams like Wisconsin, on the other hand, are incredibly overrated. Wisconsin hasn't beaten a decent team all year, despite their record. In a bowl game like that, I ook at the QBs, and the difference between those two QBs is huge. Wisky's guy can't hit the broadside of a barn, whereas Bortles is looking at a pro career.

Bortles is excellent. But tell me how the teams ranked in front of UCF end up in dogfights with Temple and USF. They dispose of garbage teams like that.

 

[billybud]

I don't believe in Clemson. I have said that for a while. Clemson is better known for giving up 70 points in bowls than they are in winning them.

Hard for me to believe in Clemson after the kicking that FSU gave them in Death Valley.

If you can rush the QB and can cover 4 seconds..you beat Clemson badly. Boyd gets flustered under a rush.

 

[upstater]

Bortles is excellent. But tell me how the teams ranked in front of UCF end up in dogfights with Temple and USF. They dispose of garbage teams like that.

Oregon was just in a close one with OSU, a team that lost to Washington 69-27 the previous week. Wisky has beaten the bad teams they played, and lost to the good, and was dominated by a mediocre at best PSU team. I haven't really checked the others, but I bet they played some close ones against bad comp too. Temple is bad no doubt, but at least USF has beaten Cincy. Michigan State, in fact, was up by only 1 score over USF until late in their game.

 

[CAHUSKY]

That is why being strong on all sides of the ball...defense, offense and ST can help prevent a loss...

Special teams isn't a side of the ball. Its a "phase" of the game. Just a technical point since ive had a couple of drinks and it annoyed me.

 

[gars44]

Just a magical, magical conference.

Duke is +28 in the championship game.

Same as it always was when FSU won like 9 years in a row. Always a one horse race. What's new?

 

[gars44]

I didn't know that the national championship was awarded to a conference and not a team.

You know what he's sayin.

 

[Gfunk]

FSU will be BCS #1 today.



Oh...FSU would roll a few...

Certainly Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Nebraska, Michigan State (who was beaten by Notre dame who Pitt beat..and who only put up 14 points on Purdue and Minnesota). Heck, if Michigan State loses to Ohio State, we willsee FSU roll the Buckeyes.

Florida wasn't a great team and had a very bad offense...but they were Top Ten in Total Defense...and FSU, far and away, scored more points on them then did an SEC team.

But..if you don't have much to cheer for, it is always good to have something to cheer against.

I take it you will not be cheering for FSU?

It's a huge mistake, esp in CF, to play the who beat who game, eventually such irrational thinking doesn't make sense and the circularity and senselessness gets you dizzy. But hey now, let's play the game you started:

• Everybody and their mother thinks the Pac12 is the second best conference, yet ND, who lost to Pitt, beat USC and ASU & certainly played Stanford close. Btw, Stanford lost to Utah, yes Utah, the same team who lost to Washington State & Stanford destroyed Washington State. Want some more examples? Too bad, I have some more.

• I mean Oregon beat Va pretty badly, as bad as Clemson, yet Oregon got punished by unranked AZ, who was in turn punished by ASU. So does ND (remember they beat ASU) equal Clemson and Oregon because they beat ASU? They lost to Pitt right? The polls don't think so as well, since ND is now unranked. Didn't Miami just beat Pitt at their place by 10? Pitt beat Duke, but Duke clobbered Miami. SCar lost to Tenn, a team who got smoked by Oregon & won a grand total of 2 SEC games. And what about FSU only beating BC by 14? BC lost to USC by 4 TDs, and Kiffin was still the coach . Remember, ND beat USC, yet lost to Pitt. BC also got smoked by UNC, a team who lost by 24 to ECU. Btw, what conference does ECU play in ? I haven't a clue.

Other notes:

MSU, btw, was amid a huge public QB crisis when they played ND. Things have settled since. Which leads to my next batch of points, that may help explain the madness above.

CF is all about match ups, venues, rivalries, injuries, momentum, motivation - many of the players are just teenagers & these are not professionally paid athletes yet. Thus distractions can kill a team's focus. For example, injury point, people forget Braxton Miller was injured much of the early season. He has only really played out of his injury the past few games, today's Braxton Miller leads OSU in much bigger wins against NW, Iowa and Wisconsin, early season games. Georgia has been pulverized by injuries, which started in their loss to Clemson & didn't end for much of the season. I don't think Tenn beats a healthy SCar team, who at the time of that game, was wiped out

The reason FSU does not go through a BIG schedule like the ACC, weather and the consistency of run oriented teams. FSU would also have a helluva travel schedule in the BIG. There may be some cold weather venues in the ACC, but not like the BIG, and the venues of the BIG are much bigger as well. You can't air it out every game & the speed game dramatically diminishes at sub 50 degrees and gets exponentially effected as the temperature drops.

But yeah, FSU would roll a lot of BIG teams, just not as many as in the ACC. On the other hand, FSU rolling OSU, you may win, but you're not playing a Tressel coached Buckeyes, and you're not an SEC team, a sort of hex OSU can't seem to shake. A handful of teams can play with FSU, just not in the ACC, this year. I would love to see FSU play any of the following: Bama, Auburn, Mizzou, OkSt, Stanford & OSU - all would give better games than the ACC's best. OSU's secondary is what loses the game against FSU & their secondary is barely good at times. But they will hang with you for a good part of the game & they have a pain in the ass run game, something quite similar to BC, perhaps better. Remember, Hyde didn't play the first few games.

I like this FSU team, it's about time you all got back to the big stage again. But you were never really far, talent has been there, it's just really hard to replace a legend. I think you win it all. At the end of the day, the Florida schools have ruled CF for much of the past 25 years - a phenomenon that goes under the radar lately. But these schools should dominate. Fla, at end of the day, has the best overall hs talent. You have per capita talent that typically equals a smaller state like La, yet produce quantity on par with Tx and Ca, both being more populated states, and by decent margins.

 

[billybud]

I am not A Big Ten guy....But FSU has historically matched up well against Big Ten teams...

Beat 11 win Michigan, the Big Ten Champ in their Big House, by scoring 51 points to set a scoring record (split 1-1 record with Michigan)...beat Michigan State both times that they have played (in Lansing by a combined score of 62-10), beat Ohio State by at least two scores every time that they have played (twice in Columbus and once in the Sugar), beat Wisconsin in Champs Bowl by 29 points...and my favorite..

FSU lost to Penn State in the Orange Bowl in FSU's down years (2005)...Penn State was 11-1 (lost on the last play of game to Michigan to keep them from being undefeated). There was much whining and carping about being disrespected and having to play 8-4 FSU in the Orange Bowl. David Robinson spent his evening being chased and tackled by the Nole front line as the game went to triple overtime. A great defensive battle.

The Myth of FSU's Dynasty Run Being with a Weak Schedule:

During the Dynasty run...FSU played a tough Schedule (teams play schedules not conferences).

Both Miami and Florida were in the Top Five Winningest Teams of the 90's...and they blew the schedule up playing both every year.

This run started in 1987 and ending in the year 2000. Let's compare schedule of the I-A teams over that period.

Florida State played 172 games from 1987 to 2000. Their .887 winning percentage is about 3 percentage points better than the second place team.

Florida State played 35 teams that finished in the top 10. That's 20.3% of their games and a higher percentage than all but 2 teams.

Florida State played 67 teams that finished ranked. That's 39.0% of their games and a higher percentage than all but 3 teams.

Florida State played 104 teams that finished with a winning record. That's 60.5% of their games and a higher percentage than all but 1 team.

Florida State played 90 teams that went to bowls. That's 52.3% of their games and a higher percentage than all but 3 teams.

Florida State's opponents combined for a winning percentage of .595, which is a higher percentage than any other team.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

What happened to this thread?

 

[billybud]

The thread is titled ACC Football...was that a typo and should have been AAC?

Scuse me if so...

 

[HuskyHawk]

What happened to this thread?

Who knows. I know this, if Michigan State can knock off Ohio State, that will send Auburn or Missouri to the NC game against FSU and we can find out whether FSU is for real or not (I'm assuming that Bama wouldn't be ahead of Mizzou on points, but they could be). For the record, I think FSU probably beats whoever they play.

 

[gioff23]

FSU is overrated. They beat NO ONE. The ACCis incredibly weak and they and OSU benefitted from down years in thier respective conferences.

Miami and Duke would not make it out of the SEC with winning records. Heck, Duke would not finish in the top 2 in the AAC.

Having a NC game w/FSU and OSU sparring is a perfect way for the BCS to end -- let the better teams watch the games from their couches. Then again, I think OSU gets knocked off this weekend.