ACC football.

[NickyNewark]

Personally, I think FSU is worthy of being in the Championship Game. It's the other undefeated team that I'm not sold on. I'm not so convinced that they will get past Sparty so we will likely see FSU vs. 1-loss SEC team in the Championship Game anyway.

I agree with you on Fla St but I'm not so sure the SEC deserve's what their hype machine would have us believe this year?Not only that, I'm pretty SEC weary after having them pumped down our throats every yr like no one else knows how to play FB! Check out the SEC's schedules OOC and see how often they'll play anyone of signifigance ?Their good at the top but not Mt Olympus great like the talking heads on the E-spin keep telling us.(I also think its gonna be a tough game for OSU against Sparty)

 

[billybud]

The SEC is very good at the top...

Hard to match a row like Alabama, Auburn, LSU, South Carolina, Missouri....

 

[DarthGrumpy]

OSU's D is not good either…

Cal - 34 pts
Northwestern - 30 pts
Iowa - 24 pts
Illinois - 35 pts
Michigan - 41 pts

I see the matchup as each team's strengths and each team's weaknesses going up against each other. It can go either way but MSU has a good shot of winning. FSU will blow out Duke. Honestly, part of me is hoping for OSU to blow out MSU so that we can land Narduzzi.

Michigan St. versus Ohio St. should be a good one. I am rooting for Sparty because I simply cannot stand Urban ‘Discipline is nothing, winning is everything’ Myer. If Michigan St.’s defense can hold Ohio St., to 21 or less points, I think they have a good chance of winning.
Of course, that will open to gates to the SEC talking heads demanding that they have at least 1 team in the championship. SEC will push for two teams (Missouri/Auburn winner versus Alabama) in the BCS title match if Florida St. loses to Duke or if Jameis Winston is charged and suspended by FSU between the ACC championship game and the BCS game.
Does anyone think that Oklahoma St deserves BCS talk with 1 loss, assuming they beat Oklahoma? I would say no due to the fact that their one loss is to West Virginia (versus a loss to Alabama or SC) and the XII does not have the top-heavy strength that the SEC has. Plus, their OCC schedule (UTSA and Lamar) is a joke.

 

[billybud]

Please...please...Ohio State win.

The college world depends upon you to end the despotic SEC dynasty.

No pressure! no pressure! But you MUST WIN!

 

[upstater]

Everyone is blasting Ohio State but Florida St should be held to the same standard. OSU will have beaten Michigan St and Wisconsin. Florida St will have beaten Miami and Clemson.

I have to say, I'm not going to make a huge differentiation between Miami, Clemson, Michigan St, and Wisconsin.

 

[billybud]

I don't know why folks would blast Ohio State...except for the fact that they have a 1-9 record against the SEC ...and that perception hurts them.

If you are in an AQ conference and win 13 games...you are good and probably a little lucky as well.

Ohio State giving up 600 yards to Michigan and squeaking out that win on the failed two point conversion must be the impetus for the carping...

 

[sportsart]

I'd bet the house billybud, gfunk and Fishy are all the same person. There is just no way 2 out of those 3 are real people.

 

[billybud]

LOL...You'd lose your trailer, my friend.

 

[sportsart]

LOL...You'd lose your trailer, my friend.

I am certainly not your friend and my trailer is a house that my 400K a year income makes very comfortable.

 

[billybud]

I am happy that you are comfortable.

I am almost drunk and fabulous....about as happy as any homeless guy is on a prettywarm sunny day in Florida with his team ranked #1.

Cadging a newspaper, as we speak, from a passing suit to read.

Now that we have traded statuses (stati?)....we can go on about our business.

 

[NickyNewark]

The SEC is very good at the top...

Hard to match a row like Alabama, Auburn, LSU, South Carolina, Missouri....

Even in that group....since when was a USCe or Mizzou considered powers? Was'nt it just last yr a mediocre SU squad went there(Mizzou) and whooped them on their own field? So in one down yr in the SEC Mizzou can be compared to Bama or LSU? Outside of Cam Newton's yr I'm hesitant to call Auburn great ! But no denying the couple or 3 at the top of the SEC are real tough team's.Too bad we got stuck pairing Bama with over rated ND last yr allowing the unbeatable "myth" to go on ! I'm starting to think a shortage of HS kids playing FB is getting critical? Most of even us fan's are adverse to having our kid's play.

 

[husky10]

Even in that group....since when was a USCe or Mizzou considered powers? Was'nt it just last yr a mediocre SU squad went there(Mizzou) and whooped them on their own field? So in one down yr in the SEC Mizzou can be compared to Bama or LSU? Outside of Cam Newton's yr I'm hesitant to call Auburn great ! But no denying the couple or 3 at the top of the SEC are real tough team's.Too bad we got stuck pairing Bama with over rated ND last yr allowing the unbeatable "myth" to go on ! I'm starting to think a shortage of HS kids playing FB is getting critical? Most of even us fan's are adverse to having our kid's play.

I think his comment was regarding this year only. One could make the argument that these 5 could be split up and be the champions of all the power 5 conferences in the country. Something that no other conference can match, for a lot of power 5 conference teams that is 5 automatic losses right off the bat.

 

[billybud]

There is this year...with Mizzou, Bama, Auburm , South Carolina...(with Georgia and Florida hurt with injuries)

In another year it has been Florida, Georgia, LSU, Bama, Arkansas...the same teams may not be at the top of the conference...but the SEC has been pretty consistent at putting up a strong slate of five teams...

Teams like Auburn, Florida, South Carolina, LSU and Georgia rotate in and out....

Since the BCS started....Tennessee has won an NC...Bama has won three, Florida two, LSU and Auburn one each.

Teams like Mississippi and Mississippi St. have had some good years in the last five and ended up in the final AP Rankings...even Vandy made the Final Top 25 last year.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Everyone is blasting Ohio State but Florida St should be held to the same standard. OSU will have beaten Michigan St and Wisconsin. Florida St will have beaten Miami and Clemson.

I have to say, I'm not going to make a huge differentiation between Miami, Clemson, Michigan St, and Wisconsin.

The difference is in the eye test. FSU has just steamrolled everyone. OSU hasn't looked as good and was fortunate to avoid Nebraska and MSU in the regular season and get the other tough games at Columbus. I think FSU would be favored over OSU by 14 at least.

 

[billybud]

The difference is in the eye test. FSU has just steamrolled everyone. OSU hasn't looked as good and was fortunate to avoid Nebraska and MSU in the regular season and get the other tough games at Columbus. I think FSU would be favored over OSU by 14 at least.

I think you are right. Some interesting stuff from ESPN's David Hale....

David Hale ‏@DavidHaleESPN2 Dec
#FSU has scored 68 more TDs than it’s allowed. The next closest in the nation is Baylor at 49. Only 6 teams have even scored 68 TDs total.

David Hale ‏@DavidHaleESPN7h
Vs FBS teams w/winning record, #FSU has No. 1 scoring O (50.8/g), No. 3 total O (546/g), No. 3 scoring D (15.5) & No. 7 total D (308).

David Hale ‏@DavidHaleESPN2 Dec
#FSU avg 3.8 more yards/play than its opponents, best in FBS. Only 7 other teams in nation have a differential half that much.
David Hale ‏@DavidHaleESPN2 Dec
#FSU has No. 1 avg margin of victory (42.7), No. 1 yard/play differential (3.82) & No. 2 3rd-down conv differential (26.1%) in the nation.
https://twitter.com/DavidHaleESPN/status/407540975997689857

David Hale ‏@DavidHaleESPN1 Dec
Jimbo asked about Winston on 3rd&long: JW is 16-of-18 for 317 yards, 15 first downs & 4 TDs on 3rd-and-10+ this year.

(Note from Billy...that is an absolutely unbeliveable 3rd down and 10 passing stat)

Overall opponent records:
FSU 71-74
Oh St 65-79
Mizzou 77-67
Auburn 78-66

 

[itgoeslike]

Over the last decade, FSU has often squandered talent-ladened teams through inconsistent play and lapses in football I.Q. This year, with very few exceptions, they've executed exceptionally well on offense, defense, and special teams. I'm sure FSU wins. . . Losing to Duke in the last week of the season when ranked number 1 in the nation would be hard for FSU fans to stomach.

 

[billybud]

Hard! Hard you say!

The police would cordon off all buildings over three stories....

 

[itgoeslike]

Most friends that root for FSU think they couldn't be sitting prettier while a couple of friends think this could be the ultimate set up. . .

 

[pj]

I thought FSU was the #1 team 2 months ago, and they've just gotten better. I don't see them losing whoever they play.

But I think the ups and downs of various teams, eg Baylor, Missouri, illustrate that there's a lot of parity in college football. A few teams like Alabama and FSU manage to get outstanding players all over the field, but most teams have weaknesses and strengths and with proper coaching a school can rise quickly.

 

[Gfunk]

Holy cow. You have some of the thinnest skin repeatedly on these boards. Why on earth are you going after my point about Wisconsin's weak schedule. It's the whole context behind what I wrote. Lordy.

Thin skin? Not at all. Not sure if I even made a point about Wisky's schedule, which wasn't great, but certainly not bad. They did play BYU, not necessarily great this year, and the Cougars load a pretty thick, national schedule, so you can compare Wisconsin's performances with other solid to great teams who played BYU. Wisky also played ASU & we know they are playing for the Pac12 title, a conference that was pretty strong, perhaps the best in terms of top to bottom competition.

As for the rest of what you said, stand down brother, I haven't an ounce of disrespect for you, your alias, I know we're on the Internet. I don't come on sports boards much, minus Frank the Tank and pretty much here, & I don't put too much into college sports at the end of the day, quite a few other priorities & hobbies in my life. What I post on sports boards pales in comparison to my field, urban-regional planning. Hell I post more on music or film related boards.

 

[SouthronCross]

FSU is overrated. They beat NO ONE. The ACCis incredibly weak and they and OSU benefitted from down years in thier respective conferences.

Miami and Duke would not make it out of the SEC with winning records. Heck, Duke would not finish in the top 2 in the AAC.

Having a NC game w/FSU and OSU sparring is a perfect way for the BCS to end -- let the better teams watch the games from their couches. Then again, I think OSU gets knocked off this weekend.

Critics said that about the Noles back in the late '80s, and, in the '90s, but, they seldom lost to OOC foes, UF and Miami aside.

With the way Jimbo Fisher is recruiting, and, developing players, they might be gearing up for another long run similar to that time period.

They are scary good.

 

[SouthronCross]

There is this year...with Mizzou, Bama, Auburm , South Carolina...(with Georgia and Florida hurt with injuries)

In another year it has been Florida, Georgia, LSU, Bama, Arkansas...the same teams may not be at the top of the conference...but the SEC has been pretty consistent at putting up a strong slate of five teams...

Teams like Auburn, Florida, South Carolina, LSU and Georgia rotate in and out....

Since the BCS started....Tennessee has won an NC...Bama has won three, Florida two, LSU and Auburn one each.

Teams like Mississippi and Mississippi St. have had some good years in the last five and ended up in the final AP Rankings...even Vandy made the Final Top 25 last year.

LSU also has two BCS titles...'03 and '07.

 

[btstimpy]

Everyone is blasting Ohio State but Florida St should be held to the same standard. OSU will have beaten Michigan St and Wisconsin. Florida St will have beaten Miami and Clemson.

I have to say, I'm not going to make a huge differentiation between Miami, Clemson, Michigan St, and Wisconsin.

Yes. But Ohio State just gave up 41 points to an unranked Michigan squad, 35 points to an unranked Illinois squad, and struggled to get out of Northwestern by 10. Michigan is the only one of these that has a winning record at 7-5. I guarantee that FSU would much prefer the game with OSU than a dogfight with Auburn or Alabama. FSU still has to beat Duke, but it shouldn't be much trouble.

 

[White Dwarf]

I live in ACC country and I find the ACC FB games pretty damn entertaining. <shrug>

 

[billybud]

Thin skin? Not at all. Not sure if I even made a point about Wisky's schedule, which wasn't great, but certainly not bad. They did play BYU, not necessarily great this year, and the Cougars load a pretty thick, national schedule, so you can compare Wisconsin's performances with other solid to great teams who played BYU. Wisky also played ASU & we know they are playing for the Pac12 title, a conference that was pretty strong, perhaps the best in terms of top to bottom competition.

As for the rest of what you said, stand down brother, I haven't an ounce of disrespect for you, your alias, I know we're on the Internet. I don't come on sports boards much, minus Frank the Tank and pretty much here, & I don't put too much into college sports at the end of the day, quite a few other priorities & hobbies in my life. What I post on sports boards pales in comparison to my field, urban-regional planning. Hell I post more on music or film related boards.

LOL...10 loss Virginia did have one BCS win......over BYU. I would very quietly mention BYU as a "worthy opponent".