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oldude said:
There should be no difference in the way the NCAA looks at Westbrook’s waiver request, regardless of which school she ends up at. I know, we’re UConn and we’re used to being screwed by the NCAA.

The only exception would be a medical hardship waiver that would allow Westbrook to have immediate eligibility if she transfers to a school within 100 miles from her home. But for that waiver to be granted, Westbrook would need to document that a family member had a serious health problem, and that’s not the case as far as I know.
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I agree with you - in theory. Yogi Berra said, "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is."

"Should" is the operative word here. In practice you can apparently make up any BS you want, regardless of what you have been quoted in writing in the past, and the NCAA will consider it based on what side of bed they got up on or Mark Emmert's personal vendettas. IMO the "Close to home" factor helps Oregon's case - in practice - and the "No way Tennessee would sign off" factor hurts UConn - in practice. And even if this isn't true, it could at least help Kelly Graves make the case that it might be.
 
Alydar said:
Westbrook went through this 2 years ago and maybe she wants to ask all the right questions and make a better choice this time. UConn was one stop. Remember, she is still enrolled at Tenn and finals are approaching. She need not make a decision for a while.
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I read your post earlier, and read it again a moment ago. I had an epiphany the second time. Westbrook finally realized that committing to Tennessee was not in her best interest.

Now with only two years left in her collegiate playing window remaining, she must now choose what coach/program can best help her make up for the two years she lost with Holly, and get her to the place she wants and needs to be by the time her collegiate eligibility is exhausted.

It has been reported that she has narrowed her choices to Oregon and UConn. She must now look and compare the two coaches, their programs and the number of highly skilled players they have produced. Which program will be best for her in the short term and the long run? She can’t afford to swing and miss again. She has to get it right this time.

To all of the knowledgeable and mature minds here in yard, the choice is an easy one. Let’s hope it’s as clear and easy for her also. One choice would be a gamble, the other would be a sure thing. I wish her all the best wherever she decides to go.
 
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oldude said:
While your point is certainly true, I have to believe that Westbrook is approaching her transfer with the expectation that she will be eligible to play next year. Who knows what the NCAA will do? But at a minimum, I would expect that whichever school Westbrook ends up at will commit up front to applying for a waiver on her behalf from the NCAA to make her immediately eligible.

Certainly UConn would want her to be immediately eligible. Otherwise there's a 2-year logjam at the g/w spots starting the year after next with jr's Christyn & Evina, sophs Ania & Aubrey & freshmen Paige & Nika.
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Westbrook likely has a pretty good idea what are her odds of being eligible to play next year. That will determine Westbrook's stable of candidate schools for her consideration.
 
Scoop said:
I read your post earlier, and read it again a moment ago. I had an epiphany the second time. Westbrook finally realized that committing to Tennessee was not in her best interest.

Now with only two years left in her collegiate playing window remaining, she must now choose what coach/program can help her make up for the two years she lost with Holly, and get her to the place she wants and needs to be by the time her collegiate eligibility is exhausted.

It has been reported that she has narrowed her choices to Oregon and UConn. She must now look and compare the two coaches, their programs and the number of high quality players they have produced. Which program will be best for her in the short term? She can’t afford to swing and miss again. She has to get it right this time.

To all of the knowledgeable and mature minds here in yard, the choice is an easy one. Let’s hope it’s as clear and easy for her also. One choice would be a gamble. The other would be a sure thing.
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Although there is obviously no contest in terms of how many high quality players have come from UCONN vs. Oregon, I think what's relevant in Oregon's case is what's happening with the current coaching staff. This year, one of two Oregon seniors was drafted in the second round of the NBA draft (Cazorla). Next year, Ionescu will likely be drafted very early in the first round. Hebard will likely also go in the first round as well, but, if not, certainly in the second. The year following Satou Sabally will probably be a first rounder as well. (And it's perhaps worth remembering that Graves coached Courtney Vandersloot at Gonzaga.) That's not too shabby imo. Geno's record is unrivaled and obviously speaks for itself, but I think choosing Oregon (and I have not seen any confirmed reports that Westbrook is actually considering coming to Eugene) surely is more than another swing and a miss or ill-advised gamble.
 
oldude said:
Westbrook averaged 3.6 rbs, which is pretty darn good for a pg
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Granted some PGs don't rebound at all, but that's a fairly modest stat in my mind. Syracuse's 5-6 PG averaged 4.8 last year. I can think of plenty of shorter, less athletic guards than Westbrook who grabbed more boards than that.
 
oldude said:
While your point is certainly true, I have to believe that Westbrook is approaching her transfer with the expectation that she will be eligible to play next year. Who knows what the NCAA will do? But at a minimum, I would expect that whichever school Westbrook ends up at will commit up front to applying for a waiver on her behalf from the NCAA to make her immediately eligible.

Certainly UConn would want her to be immediately eligible. Otherwise there's a 2-year logjam at the g/w spots starting the year after next with jr's Christyn & Evina, sophs Ania & Aubrey & freshmen Paige & Nika.
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To me, it is a moot point. UConn will have five seniors next year; the chances of recruiting five Freshmen who can replace them is a fairy tale. UConn needs two transfers badly, to contribute in 20-21. Recruiting three impact Freshman for that year is certainly a great possibility; five not so much.
 
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Jordy said:
To me, it is a moot point. UConn will have five seniors next year; the chances of recruiting five Freshmen who can replace them is a fairy tale. UConn needs two transfers badly, to contribute in 20-21. Recruiting three impact Freshman for that year is certainly a great possibility; five not so much.
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Keep in mind that only one of them has proven to be a consistent and significant contributor for UConn in past seasons. I think EA will put up good numbers this season and I'm really hoping we'll see the healthiest BC we've seen so far, but I wouldn't hang my season on what KI, MB, and BC can produce.

So if you're talking about replacing them body for body, I think finding two replacements (we technically already have two with PB and NM, but I think we'll end up with a bigger body before all is said and done) and three fantastic, well-rounded teammates is doable.
 
oldude said:
If Westbrook comes to UConn and if she’s eligible next year, I guess we’ll know. For the record, Westbrook averaged 3.6 rbs, which is pretty darn good for a pg on a team with a lot more size than UConn. In addition, I don’t know of another WBB team in the country next season who will start a wing in excess of 6’2”.
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6'4" Satou Sabally at Oregon?
 
jaundicedeye said:
6'4" Satou Sabally at Oregon?
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Sabally is more accurately 6’3”, but more to the point, she fills the 4 spot as a forward. Oregon’s 3 (wing) is 6’2” Erin Boley.
 
EricLA said:
Plus just as a side note... Crystal is 5'6". She routinely covers guards closer to 6' tall. Phee was 6'1" and had to cover centers who were in the 6'5" range. I see why people get concerned about height but a few things.

First, we have Olivia. Staying in Storrs for the summer to work on her game and strength will pay big dividends next season IMHO. So boom - we already have some size.

Second, IF we get Evina and IF she's eligible right away, I agree she's the 5th starter. Crystal, Christyn, Evina, Megan, Olivia. Geno often played zone when ONO was in the game last season, but if he goes more man-man this year, then likely there will be times "smaller" Meg at 6' or so will be covering bigger players. She's already gotten much stronger and this past year when only Phee was on the court (no ONO), she basically had to do the same thing.

My point is UCONN players were routinely covering kids at least 3-4 inches taller than them and we still made it to the final 4. Geno is a master of morphing his team into the best offensive and defensive unit they can be by enhancing strengths and masking weaknesses.

There are very few teams who will be able to match UCONN in sheer talent. Baylor lost Brown to graduation (and their starting PG) and no longer has Mompremier so they don't have a huge 6'5"+ post presence any more. Oregon has a very talented Hebard in the post, but she's not a giant (altho she is very strong). UCONN should be able to match up with them and our 5 starters should give even those 2 teams fits when they try to defend us.

Last thing - UCONN has already added post depth. Adebayo should be solid for us and provides welcome depth. Besides Westbrook is there another surprise out there? Stay tuned...
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I remain positive re: coming year but have to question some of your points. ONO likely lead the team in fouls per minute. Even with more experience, likely to go up with more playing time. UConn also routinely got outrebounded last year-see the ND semi for why this is important. Not doom and gloom but wouldn't suggest we can match up underneath with current roster.
 
oldude said:
If Westbrook comes to UConn and if she’s eligible next year, I guess we’ll know. For the record, Westbrook averaged 3.6 rbs, which is pretty darn good for a pg on a team with a lot more size than UConn. In addition, I don’t know of another WBB team in the country next season who will start a wing in excess of 6’2”.
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Others stats less than knocking anyone over. Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy to have her don the blue, but field goal and foul shooting percentages aren't going to bowl anyone over. Still, some of that at least has to do with the inept offense and her more than occasional attempt to do too much. Her stats are here: Evina Westbrook Stats - 20 Player Rankings & Regular Season Stats | HERO Sports
 
RockyMTblue2 said:
Others stats less than knocking anyone over. Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy to have her don the blue, but field goal and foul shooting percentages aren't going to bowl anyone over. Still, some of that at least has to do with the inept offense and her more than occasional attempt to do too much. Her stats are here: Evina Westbrook Stats - 20 Player Rankings & Regular Season Stats | HERO Sports
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Here’s my prediction. If Westbrook transfers to UConn and gets a waiver to play next year, miraculously her shooting %, ast/to ratio and any other stat you can think of will improve dramatically under Geno and his staff vs the numbers she produced in HW’s sorry excuse for an offense at TN.
 
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oldude said:
Here’s my prediction. If Westbrook transfers to UConn and gets a waiver to play next year, miraculously her shooting %, ast/to ratio and any other stat you can think of will improve dramatically under Geno and his staff vs the numbers she produced in HW’s sorry excuse for an offense at TN.
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That would be my supposition too. I see her commit as slim and slimmer by the day after May 7. But the basketball gods enjoy proving me a fool, so ....
 
Argonaut said:
Keep in mind that only one of them has proven to be a consistent and significant contributor for UConn in past seasons. I think EA will put up good numbers this season and I'm really hoping we'll see the healthiest BC we've seen so far, but I wouldn't hang my season on what KI, MB, and BC can produce.

So if you're talking about replacing them body for body, I think finding two replacements (we technically already have two with PB and NM, but I think we'll end up with a bigger body before all is said and done) and three fantastic, well-rounded teammates is doable.
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One always needs a roster of 10. I would always like to see all of them with the ability to contribute; five Freshmen have very little chance of doing that.
 
Jordy said:
One always needs a roster of 10. I would always like to see all of them with the ability to contribute; five Freshmen have very little chance of doing that.
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I don't know if, in most years, there are five freshmen anywhere in the country that would really contribute at UConn.
 
HopJim said:
I remain positive re: coming year but have to question some of your points. ONO likely lead the team in fouls per minute. Even with more experience, likely to go up with more playing time. UConn also routinely got outrebounded last year-see the ND semi for why this is important. Not doom and gloom but wouldn't suggest we can match up underneath with current roster.
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ONO will be fine. Freshmen posts almost always look lost. Her high school ranking was for her defense and her offense was described as "emerging". I expect a huge sophomore jump. If I'm right UConn's front line will be better than last year defensively.
 
Scoop said:
I read your post earlier, and read it again a moment ago. I had an epiphany the second time. Westbrook finally realized that committing to Tennessee was not in her best interest.

Now with only two years left in her collegiate playing window remaining, she must now choose what coach/program can best help her make up for the two years she lost with Holly, and get her to the place she wants and needs to be by the time her collegiate eligibility is exhausted.

It has been reported that she has narrowed her choices to Oregon and UConn. She must now look and compare the two coaches, their programs and the number of highly skilled players they have produced. Which program will be best for her in the short term and the long run? She can’t afford to swing and miss again. She has to get it right this time.

To all of the knowledgeable and mature minds here in yard, the choice is an easy one. Let’s hope it’s as clear and easy for her also. One choice would be a gamble, the other would be a sure thing. I wish her all the best wherever she decides to go.
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She also needs to sort out another factor. Does she want to play close to family and friends. If so, is the pressure of playing where everyone has instant access to you lesser or greater than the pressure of living up to those banners in Storrs' gym. At this time the ball is in her court.
 
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oldude said:
Sabally is more accurately 6’3”, but more to the point, she fills the 4 spot as a forward. Oregon’s 3 (wing) is 6’2” Erin Boley.
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I didn’t get a tape measure out, but I’ve seen Satou next to Ruthy Hebard barefoot and Satou is actually slightly taller. Most people have accepted that Ruthy is 6’4”. But as I said I didn’t get the tape measure out.

And when Kelly Graves describes which starters play what positions he lists Boley as the 4 and Satou as the 3 for what it’s worth. It doesn’t much matter since they play a four out offense.
 
NWHoopFan2 said:
I didn’t get a tape measure out, but I’ve seen Satou next to Ruthy Hebard barefoot and Satou is actually slightly taller. Most people have accepted that Ruthy is 6’4”. But as I said I didn’t get the tape measure out.

And when Kelly Graves describes which starters play what positions he lists Boley as the 4 and Satou as the 3 for what it’s worth. It doesn’t much matter since they play a four out offense.
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No tape measure here as well, but that's also my take after watching the team line up for the national anthem. Likewise, according to Satou herself, as a freshman she was a 4; this past year she's been a 3--although, as NWHoopFan2 also says, it really doesn't matter very much given the Oregon offense.
 
jonson said:
No tape measure here as well, but that's also my take after watching the team line up for the national anthem. Likewise, according to Satou herself, as a freshman she was a 4; this past year she's been a 3--although, as NWHoopFan2 also says, it really doesn't matter very much given the Oregon offense.
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I would add that Satou was definitely one of three starters for Oregon that could generate offense off the dribble.
 
Jordy said:
One always needs a roster of 10. I would always like to see all of them with the ability to contribute; five Freshmen have very little chance of doing that.
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The AAC is a great training ground for the Frosh. The "big girls" will need to keep playing to maintain their edge but AAC offers Frosh the stage to show their stuff. Top players Frosh or Sr will see decent PT.
 
RockyMTblue2 said:
That would be my supposition too. I see her commit as slim and slimmer by the day after May 7. But the basketball gods enjoy proving me a fool, so ....
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The talk "commit" seems to infer Geno wants her, does he?
 
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A recruiting insider for Oregon is saying Oregon about to get a 5 Star Commit. Kelly Graves retweeted his tweet. @AndrewNemec



University of Oregon about to get some
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Suspect its Westbrook.
 
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