Walking Dead Season 4

[Fishy]

This show is staggering through the woods like a zombie.

Every character acts like a genius 24/7 and yet somehow managed to center punch a half-dozen zombie heads whenever it's their turn.

Some writer has a bad idea, ("Hey...what if the blond girl really wants a cocktail?!"), and then they chase that to an illogical conclusion. Of course, then they have another idea, ("What if Darryl has an emotion?!"), and they forget that their 98-pound teenager has downed a half-jar of moonshine.

Jumping from True Detective to Walking Dead back to back is like watching someone play jazz and then another guy just banging two cans together.

 

[Deepster]

What an awful, awful episode.

It is now basically a soap opera with a scheduled zombie kill every 20 minutes.

 

[huskysupporter]

I actually wouldn't have minded last nights episode if the acting wasn't so poor. Holy cow.

The part where Darryl started to cry and Beth gave him a hug might be the worst acting jobs since Saved By The Bell.

 

[Deepster]

Darryl. Beth wanting to have drink. Nice Michonne. Any scene that includes Carl. This season has stunk.

(And the over/under on Meyers putting this in a quote box and disagreeing is 9:07 am)

 

[meyers7]

Some writer has a bad idea, ("Hey...what if the blond girl really wants a cocktail?!"), and then they chase that to an illogical conclusion.

What an awful, awful episode.

(And the over/under on Meyers putting this in a quote box and disagreeing is 9:07 am)

Did I win Deepster?

Partially agree with some of your ramblings. Last nights episode was pretty slow for most of the episode. About 3/4 of it. Except for the fact somebody finally used my weapon of choice, golf clubs (first thing I'm grabbing when the apocalypse hits).

Agree Emily is not the best actor/actress they have on the show. (although I don't mind her character) And to have Daryl brooding for most of the show....ugh. But I thought the payoff, the last 15 minutes was pretty good. Well I thought it was good, don't know if it was worth the first 45 minutes. I guess you had to get there somehow.

On the Talking Dead they went into the episode more. Beth's idea was she needed something to do, a mission. If you remember her and Maggie were always talking about "having a job to do". She took care of Judith and the kids. Now she had no job. She is basically being baby sat by Daryl. She needs a job, or a mission.

And she needed to prove she was no longer the teenage girl, and although she wasn't on the same level as a Michonne or Carol or Maggie, she was a survivor too. So she must have something going for her. Getting a "drink" became her mission, and her way of saying she wasn't a little girl who needed watching over anymore. And also I think it separated her from her father too after his death. Something he wouldn't have allowed her to do.

As for Daryl. His journey was supposed to be a bit like Michonne's. He's used to being a loner (or alone with his brother). He kind of reverted back to that. But like Michonne needed to realize he needed people and they needed him. Burning down the shack (his past) was kind of like Michonne killing all the walkers/pets. Released them from their past a little bit.

Was it well done? Nah, not one of the better episodes. (As Willie Stokes said, "They can't all be winners.") And I agree, I think, we need to get some of these groups back together and get moving somewhere. (although people were complaining about the stagnation of the prison and they wanted them on the road again....so there they are)

 

[G0UCONN]

Were we supposed to be "touched" or riveted when Darryl talked about what we all knew he is/was before the zombie apocalypse --- red neck from the woods of Georgia with an brother ...

I can't believe the blonde is still alive---I had her marked for elimination back on the farm and every day in the jail. They could have stopped talking about her or including her in the show back then and I would not have noticed. Yet she hangs in there while Herschel is gone...

On a side note, not for nothing but if Darryl is gonna get lucky with blondie, he needs a shower badly....that sweaty greasy mess has gotsta smell like a ss.

 

[Joobie]

I totally enjoyed last night's episode. Guess I am in the minority...but the scene of Beth & Darryl cowering in the trunk of a car was terrifying. The thing that made "Night of the Living Dead" work on such a powerful level was the claustrophobic aspect of it. There has been little to none of that on TWD.

I also have enjoyed the backstory of these characters & what their lives were like before. I would agree that Beth now has little to do & needs a purpose; even if it involves something pretty senseless. She kind of reminded me of Carl, leaving Rick behind & going out into the Zombie population to prove that he no longer needs a "babysitter".

Maybe I was just relieved to have another Carl-less episode!

 

[G0UCONN]

Maybe I was just relieved to have another Carl-less episode!

Amen to that...

He is likely busy setting ants on fire with a magnifying glass or tying up and dissecting cats somewhere...

 

[meyers7]

Amen to that...

He is likely busy setting ants on fire with a magnifying glass or tying up and dissecting cats somewhere...

Nah, that's Lizzy.

 

[meyers7]

I totally enjoyed last night's episode. Guess I am in the minority...but the scene of Beth & Darryl cowering in the trunk of a car was terrifying. The thing that made "Night of the Living Dead" work on such a powerful level was the claustrophobic aspect of it. There has been little to none of that on TWD.

I liked it, just didn't think it was as good as some of the other ones. I liked the trunk thing too. Actually thought, what a good idea. Most zombies aren't gonna be hunting through cars, seems like a good place to hide. Maybe not so comfortable, but fairly safe.

I like the claustrophobic part of last week with Rick under the bed. They've had more suspenseful things like that recently.

I also have enjoyed the backstory of these characters & what their lives were like before. I would agree that Beth now has little to do & needs a purpose; even if it involves something pretty senseless. She kind of reminded me of Carl, leaving Rick behind & going out into the Zombie population to prove that he no longer needs a "babysitter".

Good point on the growing up, becoming man/woman, of Carl and Beth. I've always thought they might keep her around as a love interest down the road for Carl.....when he's a little older. (maybe one reason they haven't offed her yet??? as many people assumed she wouldn't last long)

 

[Deepster]

So, why don't walkers smell them in the trunk? Season 1, they had to cover themselves with guts to mask their "human" scent. Now they're in a trunk, or Beth is hiding behind a tree and they can't smell them?

 

[meyers7]

So, why don't walkers smell them in the trunk? Season 1, they had to cover themselves with guts to mask their "human" scent. Now they're in a trunk, or Beth is hiding behind a tree and they can't smell them?

I don't know. As a hypothesis, they go mostly by sight and sound (not unlike most human's now), but only smell if it happens to distinguish from other walkers? They aren't nor have they been trackers like dogs following a scent. They pretty much mostly gone by sight or sound. When the walker was in the camper with Andrea, he didn't smell her, only heard her. Besides I don't imagine Daryl and Beth smelled all that "alive" anyway. As Gouconn said they pretty much smell like @ss.

IDK. They change things. Different writers, different directors/producers/show runners. In the first season the walkers had no trouble chasing Rick and Glenn over the fence (same episode you were talking about), but none of them could climb over the fence at the prison??? Maybe they are getting weaker the longer they are walkers???

 

[HuskyHawk]

I liked it, just didn't think it was as good as some of the other ones. I liked the trunk thing too. Actually thought, what a good idea. Most zombies aren't gonna be hunting through cars, seems like a good place to hide. Maybe not so comfortable, but fairly safe.

I like the claustrophobic part of last week with Rick under the bed. They've had more suspenseful things like that recently.

Good point on the growing up, becoming man/woman, of Carl and Beth. I've always thought they might keep her around as a love interest down the road for Carl.....when he's a little older. (maybe one reason they haven't offed her yet??? as many people assumed she wouldn't last long)

Carl and Beth? NFW. She's 28 (even if 18 on the show). Maybe Carl and Lizzie. I figure they have Darryl starting to like her, then they'll run into Carol again and it will be "awkward". Beth is too cute to kill.

Rick under the bed was good. The trunk was lame, as was the whole drinking scene. I'm about done with these little glimpses into each character, especially when they don't have the acting skills of Andrew Lincoln or the guy who played the Governor. Most importantly, people aren't behaving rationally anymore. Not focusing on staying alive. Best scene yesterday was when Darryl took pieces from the car and set up a warning system, and beth used the mirror to start a fire. That made sense (although staying in the woods in world of millions of uninhabited houses doesn't).

 

[meyers7]

Carl and Beth? NFW. She's 28 (even if 18 on the show). Maybe Carl and Lizzie. I figure they have Darryl starting to like her, then they'll run into Carol again and it will be "awkward". Beth is too cute to kill.

Real age doesn't matter in TV/movies. e.g. Sally Field was Tom Hanks mother in Forrest Gump, plus many others. Besides if you are going by that, Emily is closer in age to Chandler (28 to 14 real life, 18/19 to 14/15 TV life) than she is to Norman Reedus/Daryl (45 to 28 real life, 35-40ish to 18/19 in TV life).

Although, on the Talking Dead, they really didn't deny something may be brewing between them.

That made sense (although staying in the woods in world of millions of uninhabited houses doesn't).

Well, houses are were people lived prior to apocalypse, hence more likely to have walkers around there than in the woods. Although, it really doesn't seem to matter in the Walking Dead series. Lots of walkers roaming in the woods??? Other than larger cities seem to have more, which makes sense.

If there actually was (and I know many think "when there is" ) a zombie apocalypse the woods would gonna be much safer than places where people (potential walkers) had lived suburbs. e.g. uninhabited island, backwoods, up in the mountains, etc.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Real age doesn't matter in TV/movies. e.g. Sally Field was Tom Hanks mother in Forrest Gump, plus many others. Besides if you are going by that, Emily is closer in age to Chandler (28 to 14 real life, 18/19 to 14/15 TV life) than she is to Norman Reedus/Daryl (45 to 28 real life, 35-40ish to 18/19 in TV life).

Although, on the Talking Dead, they really didn't deny something may be brewing between them.

Lizzie is closer still, but too young to be anybody's love interest (so is Carl, really). I think Beth appreciates that she is out there with "the last man standing" and has a bit of a crush. I think they are just letting it simmer a bit for a reunion with Carol. Wondering about Rick and Michonne.

In any event, next week needs to be better.

 

[UConn Dan]

The story needs to progress next week, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Looks like Maggie/Sasha/Bob are stuck in the fog and Daryl/Beth are aimlessly wandering.

My guess is that Bob is a goner soon - maybe next episode.

I think Lizzie will go eventually - being that she's psycho and all. And they aren't going to have her wait until she's old enough to be Carl's love interest. Her sister is definitely a goner soon (most likely before her).

 

[huskysupporter]

What story lines are people interested in?

I think the only story line that I have any interest in is Maggie/Glen. A little interested to see what Tyrese does when he finds out about Carol.

Individually, I root for Michonne and Darryl.

 

[G0UCONN]

What story lines are people interested in?

I think the only story line that I have any interest in is Maggie/Glen. A little interested to see what Tyrese does when he finds out about Carol.

Individually, I root for Michonne and Darryl.

Agree with that.

Also interested to see how this new group Glen found turns out ... Seem potentially likeable.

 

[Deepster]

My only interest in Glen is when he will finally be eaten.

My main follow is Rick. He's the one that woke up out of a coma in that hospital and he needs to see this out. The show dies without him, in my opinion.

 

[G0UCONN]

Rick is no doubt the show MVP but Darryl has become a key. Can't see him dying...

 

[BUHusky]

I said I'd finish out this season before giving up on the show, but holy sh_t, I'm not sure I can stomach much more of this.

That was probably the worst episode yet, and that's saying a lot because there have been a lot of stinkers, especially the last 2 seasons.

 

[HuskyHawk]

My only interest in Glen is when he will finally be eaten.

My main follow is Rick. He's the one that woke up out of a coma in that hospital and he needs to see this out. The show does without him, in my opinion.

My only interest in Glen is Maggie, Lauren Cohan cleans up nicely. Althought he did alright back in Atlanta.

Rick is the key, but GOUCONN is right that Darryl has become pretty critical as well, and Michonne is getting close to that too. Those three are survivors. Carol has become a female version of Shane, which is quite a transformation from a mousy abused wife.

 

[meyers7]

The story needs to progress next week, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Looks like Maggie/Sasha/Bob are stuck in the fog and Daryl/Beth are aimlessly wandering.

Hopefully they find each other?? We need to get some of these groups back together.

My guess is that Bob is a goner soon - maybe next episode.

Yea, can't see Bob lasting too long.

I think Lizzie will go eventually - being that she's psycho and all. And they aren't going to have her wait until she's old enough to be Carl's love interest. Her sister is definitely a goner soon (most likely before her).

I still think they are going to do the Ben/Billy thing from the comics with her and her sister. Or some variation of that.

I think the only story line that I have any interest in is Maggie/Glen.

I have a feeling one of them is not gonna make it out of this season. Just not sure which. They'll probably meet up......just in time to die.

A little interested to see what Tyrese does when he finds out about Carol.

That should be interesting. Hopefully they play that out well.

 

[meyers7]

Rick is no doubt the show MVP but Darryl has become a key. Can't see him dying...

As the fanbots say......

 

[UConn Dan]

I'd like to see what happens with the Carol/Tyrese thing as well - that was the biggest cliff hanger before the gov showed up. I'm thinking Daryl meets up with Carol/Tyrese before Rick does - there might be a Daryl/Carol faction vs. Rick/Tyrese faction before the end of the season. Of the main cast, if anyone dies it will probably be Carol. There are more fans of Maggie/Glenn than Carol - and Carol has a boatload of fans too.

Also, wondering about Terminous -- thinking it's a false hope. Was that who was transmitting the radio signal?

Finally, someone above mentioned why it's taken the new military crew/"scientist" so long to get to DC -- they explained that their "Dr/Scientist" had been in constant communication with DC via satellite phone until recently they stopped responding and that's why they are hightailing it up there. I'm glad they brought that crew in -- brings the another dimension to the story - so far it's been about "how to survive in that world" and they add the "how to we defeat the zombies for good" element.

 

[meyers7]

Finally, someone above mentioned why it's taken the new military crew/"scientist" so long to get to DC -- they explained that their "Dr/Scientist" had been in constant communication with DC via satellite phone until recently they stopped responding and that's why they are hightailing it up there. I'm glad they brought that crew in -- brings the another dimension to the story - so far it's been about "how to survive in that world" and they add the "how to we defeat the zombies for good" element.

Also, they were coming from OK or TX, something like that. So they had a lot of walker laden ground to cover.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I'd like to see what happens with the Carol/Tyrese thing as well - that was the biggest cliff hanger before the gov showed up. I'm thinking Daryl meets up with Carol/Tyrese before Rick does - there might be a Daryl/Carol faction vs. Rick/Tyrese faction before the end of the season. Of the main cast, if anyone dies it will probably be Carol. There are more fans of Maggie/Glenn than Carol - and Carol has a boatload of fans too.

Also, wondering about Terminous -- thinking it's a false hope. Was that who was transmitting the radio signal?

Finally, someone above mentioned why it's taken the new military crew/"scientist" so long to get to DC -- they explained that their "Dr/Scientist" had been in constant communication with DC via satellite phone until recently they stopped responding and that's why they are hightailing it up there. I'm glad they brought that crew in -- brings the another dimension to the story - so far it's been about "how to survive in that world" and they add the "how to we defeat the zombies for good" element.

Funny, I looked at that "scientist", and assumed he was running a scam. Just trying to get Ford to protect him.

 

[UConn Dan]

Funny, I looked at that "scientist", and assumed he was running a scam. Just trying to get Ford to protect him.

I think you are right on some level. I didn't read the comic, but (tiny Spoiler) I did hear that the "scientist" actually turns out to be a pre-ZA science teacher posing as a big-shot scientist, but I don't know if he does or doesn't know something.

 

[meyers7]

I think you are right on some level. I didn't read the comic, but (tiny Spoiler) I did hear that the "scientist" actually turns out to be a pre-ZA science teacher posing as a big-shot scientist, but I don't know if he does or doesn't know something.

That's what I'd heard about the comic. But they could go a different way in the Series??

 

[HuskyHawk]

That's what I'd heard about the comic. But they could go a different way in the Series??

I never heard about it...but that's exactly how I saw that guy, as some HS science teacher who was helpless and got Ford to protect him. Think about it, he had a working satellite phone for weeks, and in those weeks he couldn't manage to relay his theory to whoever was on the other end? BS.