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Dogdeacon said:
All good though, it created great tension. I didn't like feeling nervous for the baby and that is kind of the point of the show, be scared. I did think the show chickened out a little bit by not showing Lizzie knife her sister (its a horror show and admitting the child murder is too horrible takes us out of show and into the world where it is just a show). But then later it actually was one of the few times the show has haunted me in that I imagined afterwards what this might have looked like.
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Yea, Gimple said they didn't want or need to show Nika being killed, rather Carol and Tyreese (and the audience) finding the scene, because people's imagination would be better than anything they could come up with anyway.

It is going to be interesting when (I'm sure they will) Carol, Tyreese and Judith meet up with Rick and Carl. One, Rick and Carl assume Judith is dead. Two, Rick basically threw Carol out because he didn't trust her around Judith and now Carol is partially responsible for keeping Judith alive and getting her back to Rick. (Assuming they actually make it all the way back.) Three, Tyreese has forgiven Carol, Rick has not, see how that plays out. Don't know if we'll get that this season or not. Supposedly quite a bit of stuff is going to happen the last two episodes.
 
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Dogdeacon said:
That was inconsistent as Carol said that at the end, but earlier in the episode she explicitly told Tyrese that Lizzie thought walkers were still people and didn't get it. And that's why Carol was focusing on the younger sister. I guess she 'missed' the warning signs for Lizzie being a murderous psychopath, but not understanding the difference between life and death isn't a warning sign - its a blllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllaring signal shouting 'DON'T LEAVE HER ALONE'.

All good though, it created great tension. I didn't like feeling nervous for the baby and that is kind of the point of the show, be scared. I did think the show chickened out a little bit by not showing Lizzie knife her sister (its a horror show and admitting the child murder is too horrible takes us out of show and into the world where it is just a show). But then later it actually was one of the few times the show has haunted me in that I imagined afterwards what this might have looked like.
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You cannot show a child being killed on screen because the audience will hate you. Regardless of the context, if a movie shows something then the audience believes the director wants them to see it. One of many examples is The Mist where Darabont happily showed Mrs Carmody slump to the ground with a fresh bullet hole; but when the boy is shot by the dad, they cut away and you only hear a gun shot.
 
NotreDameJoe said:
You cannot show a child being killed on screen because the audience will hate you.
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You cannot show a "live" child being killed on screen. Zombie ones they've done.
 
meyers7 said:
You cannot show a "live" child being killed on screen. Zombie ones they've done.
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Did Game of Thrones do it? I can't think of a TV show, but I'm sure there are plenty of movies. That's kind of my point though, that rule pulls you out of the show for a moment.
 
meyers7 said:
Yea, she said something like "I was getting ready to help Judith next...." before Carol kind of cut her off. But yea it was implied it would work with Judith too.
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Carol pointed out that Judith can't even walk yet, so it wouldn't be right to make her a walker. Lizzy paused and said she was right...but it was only a matter of time.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Carol pointed out that Judith can't even walk yet, so it wouldn't be right to make her a walker. Lizzy paused and said she was right...but it was only a matter of time.
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Yea thought that was a great line by Carol, Judith can't be a walker, she can't walk. :D
 
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The little girl zombie in the pilot may be the creepiest zombie of all, but I'm not going to run a campaign here for younger zombies or victims. Too much killing already in all media. I'm way in favor of not desensitizing it.
 
meyers7 said:
Someone thought about that.

http://banesbluebox.blogspot.com/2013/01/killing-children-on-screen-why-is-it.html
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I recently thought about this in the context of the Hunger Games, which is, like Lizzie and Nika, made worse for the child on child nature of the violence. My 11 year daughter wanted to see the Hunger Games, and while it has many virtues as a story, the book would be better. I explained to her the scenes in the game where kids kill other kids, brutally, and she very quickly changed her mind on wanting to see it. It is PG-13.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I recently thought about this in the context of the Hunger Games, which is, like Lizzie and Nika, made worse for the child on child nature of the violence. My 11 year daughter wanted to see the Hunger Games, and while it has many virtues as a story, the book would be better. I explained to her the scenes in the game where kids kill other kids, brutally, and she very quickly changed her mind on wanting to see it. It is PG-13.
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Good idea. Reading is better for her anyway.
 
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huskysupporter said:
Meh. Not a very good episode, especially for one leading up to season finale.
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It was ok. But after last weeks, pretty much anything was going to be a let down.

We did get some decent stuff though. Glenn and Maggie finally met up. Two groups met up. We got to see that Terminus exists, still not sure what exactly it is. (Interesting note they talked about on Talking Dead, Terminus was a real place in GA. The end of the line (a terminus) for a railway. It eventually became Atlanta.) Found out Daryl is with a group that is after Rick and Co.

Leaves plenty of stuff to explore in the last episode. And leave plenty hanging for Season 5.
 
I dunno, you guys. I thought the zombies in the tunnel were TERRIFYING! Nicely done! It's been awhile since we've seen so many gathered in one place. Creepy as Hell! Maybe not as creepy as Terminus turns out to be...already got a bad vibe.
 
Joobie said:
I dunno, you guys. I thought the zombies in the tunnel were TERRIFYING! Nicely done! It's been awhile since we've seen so many gathered in one place. Creepy as Hell! Maybe not as creepy as Terminus turns out to be...already got a bad vibe.
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I wonder.... if....it was foreboding that Glenn and Maggie met up again in the Tunnel of Love, are they now in Dire Straits at Terminus?


sorry, that was bad. :rolleyes:
 
meyers7 said:
I wonder.... if....it was foreboding that Glenn and Maggie met up again in the Tunnel of Love, are they now in Dire Straits at Terminus?


sorry, that was bad. :rolleyes:
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We've got to move these human haters.
We've got to move these killer zombie-ieees.
 
Joobie said:
I dunno, you guys. I thought the zombies in the tunnel were TERRIFYING! Nicely done! It's been awhile since we've seen so many gathered in one place. Creepy as Hell! Maybe not as creepy as Terminus turns out to be...already got a bad vibe.
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There was one that seemed to be a walking skeleton. It made me wonder if the zombies need muscle at all. And how are they producing energy if supposedly none of their organs work.
 
I thought it was a pretty good episode.

My fear, however, is that we're moving towards another version of "Governor and the Prison".
 
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NotreDameJoe said:
There was one that seemed to be a walking skeleton. It made me wonder if the zombies need muscle at all. And how are they producing energy if supposedly none of their organs work.
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You just kinda have to skip over that. Among many other things. I mean we are talking zombies from the get go. So suspending beliefs on other things like how they digest what they eat, what do they do with waste, why sometimes they can climb things, sometimes they can't, etc. Yea, it's a zombie show. :cool:
 
Fishy said:
I thought it was a pretty good episode.

My fear, however, is that we're moving towards another version of "Governor and the Prison".
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Well probably not quite the same. But they are either going to be on the road or holed up someplace with someone (or something) trying to take it away from them. Just going to be different places, with different people, different groups. They had the camp, the CDC, the farm, the prison/Woodbury and now probably Terminus. Other than that they have to pretty much be on the road.

Most people don't think Terminus is going to be a real nice place. Lots of speculation on who and what it could be (based off the comics). Doubt we'll get too far into it, mostly I assume will be next season. This finale though is supposed to be pretty "brutal". I figure someone's gonna die. For the past 3 seasons they've killed of someone in the season penultimate episode. (Season 1- Amy, Season 2- Shane, Season 3 - Meryl) They didn't do that this season, so ........probably not going to end well for someone.
 
meyers7 said:
This finale though is supposed to be pretty "brutal". I figure someone's gonna die. For the past 3 seasons they've killed of someone in the season penultimate episode. (Season 1- Amy, Season 2- Shane, Season 3 - Meryl) They didn't do that this season, so ...probably not going to end well for someone.
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Predictions?

I say Carol and Beth.
 
Episode was ok, going into the tunnel was nearly inexplicable but they rationalized it with Glenn trying to ID zombie's as non-Maggie's. The dorky comic book reader stand-in can be cringe worthy fan service, but he functions perfectly in the plot. He might be an amalgamation of everyone in the writer's room.

I liked connecting two of the 5 groups

The "CLAIMED" rule was just ridiculous and reflective of lazy brainless writing, but the interaction among that group was good other than the leader's man-crush on Daryl. Maybe the idiot rabbit stealer wouldn't have been able to sneak up on Daryl and simultaneously kill the rabbit and definitely would not have been able to guess that Daryl missed a jailbait girl, but that supposition was probably necessary to confirm the Daryl-Maggie's sister budding relationship. Incidentally I think her getting stolen is THE most current interesting plot twist so I hope they don't table that until next season.

Why do the bad guys always have to be motivated solely to kill Rick's group for the sake of killing them? I keep expecting pockets of cannibalistic bad guys to be roaming the earth and killing other survivors for meat ala The Road (book not movie). That would also be part of the 'symbolism' as the surviving humans come closer and closer to being zombies.
 
Dogdeacon said:
Episode was ok, going into the tunnel was nearly inexplicable but they rationalized it with Glenn trying to ID zombie's as non-Maggie's. The dorky comic book reader stand-in can be cringe worthy fan service, but he functions perfectly in the plot. He might be an amalgamation of everyone in the writer's room.
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A lot of what Glenn did was dumb. But that's what love will do to you. Hint, hint, don't fall in love in the Apocalypse.

Dogdeacon said:
I liked connecting two of the 5 groups
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I think they will connect up some more this last episode. But not all of them may be at Terminus. Not sure having Rick and Co. and the "Claimers" at Terminus makes any sense. I think Terminus is gonna be a problem in itself. I figure the Claimers catch Rick and Co before they get to Terminus.

Dogdeacon said:
The "CLAIMED" rule was just ridiculous and reflective of lazy brainless writing, but the interaction among that group was good other than the leader's man-crush on Daryl. Maybe the idiot rabbit stealer wouldn't have been able to sneak up on Daryl and simultaneously kill the rabbit and definitely would not have been able to guess that Daryl missed a jailbait girl, but that supposition was probably necessary to confirm the Daryl-Maggie's sister budding relationship. Incidentally I think her getting stolen is THE most current interesting plot twist so I hope they don't table that until next season.
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I thought the "Claimed" rule was kind of clever. Particularly for this specific group of people. Ones who would be pretty much loners without the group. They would probably kill each other off shortly without some rule(s). Merle and Daryl were gonna rob the Atlanta camp before Merle got stuck on the roof. And surviving alone is tough. Works better in a group. Everyone needs to be a part of an "Us", even if that "Us" is a messed up group.

Dogdeacon said:
Why do the bad guys always have to be motivated solely to kill Rick's group for the sake of killing them? I keep expecting pockets of cannibalistic bad guys to be roaming the earth and killing other survivors for meat ala The Road (book not movie). That would also be part of the 'symbolism' as the surviving humans come closer and closer to being zombies.
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Good point. In the comic they do come across a cannibal group. I imagine we'll see one soon. (maybe real soon) There is a lot of speculation on-line that might be why there are so few people at Terminus. Would be a nice way to trap dinner. In one of the previews for this last episode, Rick is teaching Carl how to set up a trap for a rabbit. Digging a trench to force/lure the rabbit to the noose. (kind of like the Terminus signs ;))

There is supposed to be a new character introduced this season, so gotta be this final episode. Called Gareth. Supposed to play a big role??? There was no Gareth in the comics but he is supposed to be a combination of a couple people from the comics. So not sure what they are going to do with him. (they could give him the same name and make him different anyway, they've done that before).
 
G0UCONN said:
Predictions?

I say Carol and Beth.
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I was thinking either Glenn or Maggie. Can't have any happiness. But since they are in Terminus now, can't seem them getting killed right off, otherwise people will know it's a bad place right away. I figure they aren't going to want/need to get out of there for awhile. (i.e. they'll use Terminus next season)

Certainly could be Beth. She's already been taken. hmmm, what was Mary cooking on the grill? And her creepy, "we'll make YOU a plate". No idea, just speculation.

Looks like something happens to Rick in one of the previews. Don't think they'll kill off Carl or Michonne, but maybe Carl could get taken like Beth?? Maybe somebody's got a God complex, wants to repopulate the world and is collecting youngin's to start??? Or maybe just a slave market?? Or just slaves, not sure who'd you'd market them too??
 
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That's a weird thing about the show, kidnapping Beth and raping her to repopulate is somehow too dark for an apocalpyse show about death and they would risk turning off viewers with a misogynistic plot.

I definitely think Maggie ripping up her own picture was a foreshadow of her imminent demise. She also seems to be struggling on/off/deep south/none with her accent.

The claimed idea is something I'd expect my 9yr old to come up with to dominate his younger siblings but then within an hour they'd poke a million holes in it. Do I really have to delve into the ways it doesn't work?
 
Dogdeacon said:
That's a weird thing about the show, kidnapping Beth and raping her to repopulate is somehow too dark for an apocalpyse show about death and they would risk turning off viewers with a misogynistic plot.
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Possibly, but the comics are pretty dark.

Dogdeacon said:
I definitely think Maggie ripping up her own picture was a foreshadow of her imminent demise. She also seems to be struggling on/off/deep south/none with her accent.
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I hadn't noticed that, but have heard it mentioned elsewhere. I don't really notice a difference unless she speaks in her normal British accent. Guess I should pay more attention. On the other hand maybe Glenn is corrupting her? :rolleyes:

Dogdeacon said:
The claimed idea is something I'd expect my 9yr old to come up with to dominate his younger siblings but then within an hour they'd poke a million holes in it. Do I really have to delve into the ways it doesn't work?
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Sure, go ahead. This should be interesting.
 
Gonna be a long, boring Summer. No basketball. No Walking Dead. Whatever shall we talk about???
 
Dogdeacon said:
I claim this thread
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Ok, so how does that explain how it does not work for them? I understand how it wouldn't work for you, but how does it not work for them?

And as a side note, you can have it. :cool:
 
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