Well we got a few days to talk about the finale......and a week or two more of basketball. Course at this rate summer won't be here til about August.
That's #1, claim something intangible and it results in a pointless debate.Ok, so how does that explain how it does not work for them? I understand how it wouldn't work for you, but how does it not work for them?
And as a side note, you can have it.
Ok, but they weren't claiming anything intangible. Your argument keeps stuttering.
Completely disagree. This season was much better than last season. Much, much better. Much better acting, much better writing.
meyers7 said:
I agree that one scene was somewhat painful, but I think this season overall was MUCH better than recent others primarily because of better writing. Occasionally the characters/actors couldn't pull it off (Rick & Daryll were a little too stoic to 100% sell the brother scene) but they FINALLY filled in the inner lives for most of the characters this year. Only thing I didn't like about that last episode was Carl's psychological horror over his Dad being a ruthless killer (ok maybe a little too much farming retrospective too
). For Carl I don't think that seeing the walker inside your father would trump your Dad saving your for getting gang raped and killed, but that's just me. Great final episode, good mystery evil with Terminus - very good season.
Well it wasn't the horror of seeing his dad as a ruthless killer. It was knowing he has those same tendencies and that's not what he thinks his dad wants of him. That's why Michonne had that talk with him about we all are monsters sometimes. Have to be to survive. And he said basically that he wasn't afraid of his dad, but afraid of disappointing his dad.Only thing I didn't like about that last episode was Carl's psychological horror over his Dad being a ruthless killer (ok maybe a little too much farming retrospective too
Well they still have, possibly, Tyreese and Carol on the outside, along with a cache of weapons. I suppose, somehow that will play into it. Too bad they don't have a usable tank....somewhere.
I thought the episode was great, but in terms of tying up the Ricktatorship theme of the last 2-3 seasons or whatever or maybe even the entire show, my response is "ehh" and FINALLY. Rick is the leader, he needed to overthrow Shane, needs to be decisive, ruthless and humane at same time. These aren't great mysteries that should take so long to figure out.Well it wasn't the horror of seeing his dad as a ruthless killer. It was knowing he has those same tendencies and that's not what he thinks his dad wants of him. That's why Michonne had that talk with him about we all are monsters sometimes. Have to be to survive. And he said basically that he wasn't afraid of his dad, but afraid of disappointing his dad.
Well they still have, possibly, Tyreese and Carol on the outside, along with a cache of weapons. I suppose, somehow that will play into it. Too bad they don't have a usable tank....somewhere.
I can't see it going too many episodes either. I mean they either escape or get eaten. How long can they have them sitting in a railroad car?? I suppose they could do an episode on how Tyreese and Carol show up. But 1 or 2 episodes, maybe 3 if they really drag it out?? Well maybe throw in a Beth episode, so by 5/4 things gotta be figured out at Terminus.
Now they could escape and be chased by Gareth and Co. That could last the front end of next season. I didn't think thing would turn bad quite this fast. Thought they might drag it out a bit.
But that's ok, the main thing last night was Rick turning. Actually for the season.
They're cannibals. It was fairly obvious from the dialogue and cooking scenes, and then of course they have to blatantly confirm it by showing all the human skulls and bones during the shootout (because forbid the show actually leave anything to the imagination of their viewers...)
Well it wasn't the horror of seeing his dad as a ruthless killer. It was knowing he has those same tendencies and that's not what he thinks his dad wants of him. That's why Michonne had that talk with him about we all are monsters sometimes. Have to be to survive. And he said basically that he wasn't afraid of his dad, but afraid of disappointing his dad.
Well they still have, possibly, Tyreese and Carol on the outside, along with a cache of weapons. I suppose, somehow that will play into it. Too bad they don't have a usable tank....somewhere.
I can't see it going too many episodes either. I mean they either escape or get eaten. How long can they have them sitting in a railroad car?? I suppose they could do an episode on how Tyreese and Carol show up. But 1 or 2 episodes, maybe 3 if they really drag it out?? Well maybe throw in a Beth episode, so by 5/4 things gotta be figured out at Terminus.
Now they could escape and be chased by Gareth and Co. That could last the front end of next season. I didn't think thing would turn bad quite this fast. Thought they might drag it out a bit.
But that's ok, the main thing last night was Rick turning. Actually for the season.
He's still at a pretty impressionable age. He hadn't seen his dad kill Shane or the Nebraska guys, or beat Tyreese, or goes nuts on the walkers after Lori died. This was his first look at his dad crossing over. On top of that he was just almost raped. That ought to about stun anyone, at any age.
). And the audience has grown by 2-3 million every season. It usually ranks in the top 10 of Network shows. It's probably gonna be around awhile.
Well as has been shown in this thread, a lot of viewers can't really follow along very well. A lot of people have to have stuff spelled out for them. They do leave out a lot of stuff for the viewers to imagine, or just assume, and people complain about that.
Well you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.
Well it's much easier, and safer to have your food supply come to you than going out to find it.
I imagine, this is a bit cult like. Jim Jonesish. They even have a creepy Gareth as a leader.
I imagine Rick and Co. are thinking the same thing. No doubt they will, well maybe not all of them.
Well that's what they just did. People were tired of them being in the prison, so they got them out of there and on the road. You can't have them on the road all the time, that would get tedious too. They got to be going someplace. They just arrived at Terminus. I imagine they will be there for a little bit. Probably not too long though. They are either going to get eaten or escape. Don't think it will take too long to do one or the other. Maybe able to get 3-4 episodes out of this?? I've read that Gareth is not the "main" villain of Season 5???
Yea, well, there ain't really any wrap up to this. The source material is still being written. And they have 10+ years of it to start with. And on top of that there is also a video game that has different characters. They may pull some stuff from that too. The video game is centered around Macon, GA. They have already talked about Macon in the TV series (Michonne was gonna look for the Governor there at one point).
I dunno, if food is scarce particularly meat, I think cannibalism would be pretty prevalent in the 'after the initial apocalypse' period before things stabilize. ON meat you gotta figure if the zombies are catching humans, all of the big livestock is history plus some weird breakdown in food chain. And humans are hostile & defensive so either you are taking from someone else or defending from random lawless invaders.
I never considered Breaking Bad heavy???? It was a comedy to start with. (granted a black one, but still ) Then it got a bit more serious later on. But even later, they were doing some comedic stuff.
Yea, then you might as well dump it now. You're not getting any answers to anything. How it started, how it ends (it won't, there won't be a cure), anything like that. They are not ever going to find a safe place to settle forever. When this does end (it has to someday), the hero (whether it's still Rick or somebody else) will either die, or they'll just walk off down the road looking for the next place to hole up for awhile.
Heavy story = story primary mission. Both BBad and MMen have a lot of comedy intermingled with drama. I haven't finished True Detective but my favorite parts are the two leads dryly comic exasperation with each other.
Well yea, but Breaking Bad actually was more comedic than just the characters being funny on occasion, interacting. Walking Dead has some of that (not much). Breaking Bad did the goofy fast time stuff (Benny Hill stuff). But that first season was pretty funny as a straight comedy. Not sure if they meant it that way, as a way to show change in Walter, or if after the show caught on, they decided they needed to tighten it up (dramatic it up)??? Not sure.
You insist on belittling BBad, I think mainly to prop up WDead but it is strange. The time flash forwards were an artistic choice that also was consistent with Meth use. It was cool looking not funny. The comedy stuff would typically be subtle. Constant breakfasts for Walt Jr, Hank's wife always wore purple or darkly funny like Walt in his underwear or walking naked thru a convenience store. Clever comedy is my most apt description. Best might have been Mike Ehmentrout who along with Gus Fring was a great character on the show and would deliver awesome straight-lines when he was totally exasperated with "Walter".
