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UConn to Big XII Imminent?

freescooter said:
Yeah, it might be the best league in the country but what about MSG? Huh? How about them (Big) apples?
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Wanna make a bet we play at MSG if we join the Big 12? It might even be part of the agreement.

Brett Yormark:

"On the basketball front, we've got to bring the product to all the right places, and New York is the place for it. I want us to have a big moment in New York".
 
There has been some discussion of what ESPN and Fox would pay for UConn basketball in the Big 12.

I found this quote from Dennis Dodd last year about Gonzaga:

Gonzaga has received a $15 million annual valuation, per one industry source, should it join a Power Five conference for basketball. That's less than half of what full-ride Big 12 members will receive ($31.7 million) beginning in 2025.
 
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mussels said:
LOL - T-Mobile Center in Kansas City?
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Pfft, if only the Big 12 played its hoop tourney in a Big 12 state. Or, KU also wasn’t hosting home football games 47 miles away in the Show Me state. /s
 
ConnHuskBask said:
So, if nothing changes with respect to football, it's the right choice.

If football changes fundamentally to the extent its deemphasized.. we'd be in the best basketball league and find ourselves as a top chess piece for any future basketball centric reorg?
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NO ONE has any idea what the college football business model will look like in 4 years. It seems like pre-salary cap baseball, where the top programs dominate because they can and are willing to pay more. And dominate could look like 90-7 wins in conference games. A completely realistic scenario could end up with 10-15 schools simply dominating college football, getting all of the talent, and it simply not being worth it to even try for the other programs.

Throw everything any of us know about recruiting in the garbage. Facilities, tradition, location, are all basically irrelevant. Coach may matter a bit, but the size of the NIL paycheck is going to drive decisions. How are we, or most programs, going to compete with Michigan or USC or Georgia? The costs of running a football program are going to be MASSIVE compared to hoops. We are going to have to be prepared to lose tens of millions for multiple years before we get mediocre.

In this world, it would seem to be more likely that football simply breaks off into its own structure. I do not know if this will happen, but it is a possibility. There are so many unknowns, and the costs of getting it wrong are so massive, that I am pretty ambivalent about what comes next with the Big 12. I would MUCH prefer a similar deal with the ACC, even if it was for a little less money.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
NO ONE has any idea what the college football business model will look like in 4 years. It seems like pre-salary cap baseball, where the top programs dominate because they can and are willing to pay more. And dominate could look like 90-7 wins in conference games. A completely realistic scenario could end up with 10-15 schools simply dominating college football, getting all of the talent, and it simply not being worth it to even try for the other programs.

Throw everything any of us know about recruiting in the garbage. Facilities, tradition, location, are all basically irrelevant. Coach may matter a bit, but the size of the NIL paycheck is going to drive decisions. How are we, or most programs, going to compete with Michigan or USC or Georgia? The costs of running a football program are going to be MASSIVE compared to hoops. We are going to have to be prepared to lose tens of millions for multiple years before we get mediocre.

In this world, it would seem to be more likely that football simply breaks off into its own structure. I do not know if this will happen, but it is a possibility. There are so many unknowns, and the costs of getting it wrong are so massive, that I am pretty ambivalent about what comes next with the Big 12. I would MUCH prefer a similar deal with the ACC, even if it was for a little less money.
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Quit while you are behind bud.
 
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BlueMAB said:
If nothing else, we've already shown that we're prepared to lose tens of millions for multiple years with the hope of just being mediocre in football.
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I think the other G5 leagues are in the process of saying "no mas" to this. That is why they are discussing their own playoffs.
 
GoConn said:
Zanetto said we have the votes, then we have the votes. Why trust anyone else when he broke the story before anyone else !
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Well, just like Walter Donovan told Indiana Jones, "Now be very careful. Don't trust anybody."
 
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I'm just gonna say right off the bat that UConn's identity as a Big East behemoth still means something, but less now than it meant 20 or 30 years ago, because the conference itself is so different. Our most consistent men's basketball rivals since we got back have been Creighton and Marquette, who are expansion-wave Midwestern schools, one of whom we've only been playing for four years or so. Georgetown is a shadow of its former self. There is still a lot of that old feeling when we take on Villanova, PC, St. John's and SHU, but that only goes so far, especially with Nova being in a down cycle right now.

UConn's most exciting benchmarks these days are the nonconference games against high-profile opponents, and NCAA tournament runs. That goes even more for the women's team. The Big 12 is not the AAC: the quality of our basketball opponents in that conference would be superior to what's in the Big East now, and several of our new conference opponents would have immediate cachet to UConn fans (Kansas, Arizona, Baylor, Houston, Iowa State to a degree, even Cincinnati). After this last run of greatness by the men's team, UConn basketball now carries its identity wherever it goes at this point. (The women were already there.) I seriously doubt we'd see a repeat of the AAC mess in a conference this compelling.
 
www.cbssports.com

Big 12 presidents pitched on potential UConn addition, but lack of consensus likely to prolong decision

CBS Sports verified that six Big 12 schools are in favor of adding the Huskies if a vote were taken today
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com

Big 12 presidents were briefed Monday about the possible addition of UConn to the league without taking action, CBS Sports has learned. The league's lack of unanimity on the issue will require ongoing discussions as the possible next round of realignment looms, sources told CBS Sports.

CBS Sports was able to verify six Big 12 schools in favor of UConn's addition with two against if a vote were taken today. Those schools did not want to be identified because of the sensitivity of the issue. It takes a super majority (at least 12 of the 16 Big 12 schools) to approve such a move.
 
Drew said:
www.cbssports.com

Big 12 presidents pitched on potential UConn addition, but lack of consensus likely to prolong decision

CBS Sports verified that six Big 12 schools are in favor of adding the Huskies if a vote were taken today
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com

Big 12 presidents were briefed Monday about the possible addition of UConn to the league without taking action, CBS Sports has learned. The league's lack of unanimity on the issue will require ongoing discussions as the possible next round of realignment looms, sources told CBS Sports.

CBS Sports was able to verify six Big 12 schools in favor of UConn's addition with two against if a vote were taken today. Those schools did not want to be identified because of the sensitivity of the issue. It takes a super majority (at least 12 of the 16 Big 12 schools) to approve such a move.
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Damn Cinci and UCF!
 
Someone should do some digging to see who was supportive last go round in 2023- IIRC eventually there were enough votes for us to get in if they didn’t get the P12 schools.

I will say, this is a much more “united“ front from the outside than last year was. Last year felt like Yormark solo going to bat for UConn, whereas the Endeavor third-party support is massive as they are hired to be trusted advisors to the conference. Couple that with ESPN’s support and this feels closer than it really ever has before, just need to dangle something for FOX to enjoy (guarantee x number of road/neutral games against top tier Big East teams through 2031 to wind up on FOX networks more than likely.. think Villanova, Creighton, St John’s) and at that point I can’t imagine a world where league members can legitimately evaluate the situation and come away with a “No” vote unless they just don’t want to be associated with Connecticut.
 
Drew said:
Someone should do some digging to see who was supportive last go round in 2023- IIRC eventually there were enough votes for us to get in if they didn’t get the P12 schools.

I will say, this is a much more “united“ front from the outside than last year was. Last year felt like Yormark solo going to bat for UConn, whereas the Endeavor third-party support is massive as they are hired to be trusted advisors to the conference. Couple that with ESPN’s support and this feels closer than it really ever has before, just need to dangle something for FOX to enjoy (guarantee x number of road/neutral games against top tier Big East teams through 2031 to wind up on FOX networks more than likely.. think Villanova, Creighton, St John’s) and at that point I can’t imagine a world where league members can legitimately evaluate the situation and come away with a “No” vote unless they just don’t want to be associated with Connecticut.
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This is over. Deal is likely dead.
 
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ninety-nine said:
I'm just gonna say right off the bat that UConn's identity as a Big East behemoth still means something, but less now than it meant 20 or 30 years ago, because the conference itself is so different. Our most consistent men's basketball rivals since we got back have been Creighton and Marquette, who are expansion-wave Midwestern schools, one of whom we've only been playing for four years or so. Georgetown is a shadow of its former self. There is still a lot of that old feeling when we take on Villanova, PC, St. John's and SHU, but that only goes so far, especially with Nova being in a down cycle right now.

UConn's most exciting benchmarks these days are the nonconference games against high-profile opponents, and NCAA tournament runs. That goes even more for the women's team. The Big 12 is not the AAC: the quality of our basketball opponents in that conference would be superior to what's in the Big East now, and several of our new conference opponents would have immediate cachet to UConn fans (Kansas, Arizona, Baylor, Houston, Iowa State to a degree, even Cincinnati). After this last run of greatness by the men's team, UConn basketball now carries its identity wherever it goes at this point. (The women were already there.) I seriously doubt we'd see a repeat of the AAC mess in a conference this compelling.
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It doesn’t pay the bills.
 
Drew said:
www.cbssports.com

Big 12 presidents pitched on potential UConn addition, but lack of consensus likely to prolong decision

CBS Sports verified that six Big 12 schools are in favor of adding the Huskies if a vote were taken today
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com

Big 12 presidents were briefed Monday about the possible addition of UConn to the league without taking action, CBS Sports has learned. The league's lack of unanimity on the issue will require ongoing discussions as the possible next round of realignment looms, sources told CBS Sports.

CBS Sports was able to verify six Big 12 schools in favor of UConn's addition with two against if a vote were taken today. Those schools did not want to be identified because of the sensitivity of the issue. It takes a super majority (at least 12 of the 16 Big 12 schools) to approve such a move.
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My stab at where each school sits as of 8/26 (this is a personal guess and not sourced in any way):

Supportive (6):

1. West Virginia
2. Kansas
3. Iowa State
4. Arizona
5. Baylor
6. Houston

Not Supportive (2):

1. Utah
2. Oklahoma State

Undecided (8):

1. Colorado
2. Arizona State
3. Cincinnati
4. Central Florida
5. Texas Tech
6. Texas Christian
7. Brigham Young
8. Kansas State
 
Drew said:
My stab at where each school sits as of 8/26 (this is a personal guess and not sourced in any way):

Supportive (6):

1. West Virginia
2. Kansas
3. Iowa State
4. Arizona
5. Baylor
6. Houston

Not Supportive (2):

1. Utah
2. Oklahoma State

Undecided (8):

1. Colorado
2. Arizona State
3. Cincinnati
4. Central Florida
5. Texas Tech
6. Texas Christian
7. Brigham Young
8. Kansas State
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Cinci and UCF have got to be for us too
 
Drew said:
My stab at where each school sits as of 8/26 (this is a personal guess and not sourced in any way):

Supportive (6):

1. West Virginia
2. Kansas
3. Iowa State
4. Arizona
5. Baylor
6. Houston

Not Supportive (2):

1. Utah
2. Oklahoma State

Undecided (8):

1. Colorado
2. Arizona State
3. Cincinnati
4. Central Florida
5. Texas Tech
6. Texas Christian
7. Brigham Young
8. Kansas State
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UCF and Cincy would almost certainly be supportive

I think KState, BYU, and ASU could likely be supportive

Maybe: Texas Tech?

Nope: Utah, Colorado
 
Drew said:
My stab at where each school sits as of 8/26 (this is a personal guess and not sourced in any way):

Supportive (6):

1. West Virginia
2. Kansas
3. Iowa State
4. Arizona
5. Baylor
6. Houston

Not Supportive (2):

1. Utah
2. Oklahoma State

Undecided (8):

1. Colorado
2. Arizona State
3. Cincinnati
4. Central Florida
5. Texas Tech
6. Texas Christian
7. Brigham Young
8. Kansas State
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We know Oklahoma State is a no. That's where all trammels negative stories come from.

I think BYU is definitely a yes. Cinci probably yes. UCF I'm not sure about they have a weird complex going on over there. Tech is probably a no. I'd think Colorado is a yes.
 
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