U CONN and Big 10.... | Page 3 | The Boneyard

U CONN and Big 10....

Status
Not open for further replies.
btstimpy said:
UVA also brings Men's Soccer, Men's and Women's Lacrosse, Wrestling, Field Hockey, and Rowing that would be homeless in the Southeastern Conference. What conference would take these programs? All of UVA's athletic programs have a home and good competition in the ACC. UVA is not interested in the SEC. It is a step backwards as an athletic department to play with football factories. And it is a really big step backwards academically. I don't see it.
Expand ...

You miss the basic point. There is nothing to be gained by the SEC if they add UVA, nothing. They are lucky to be where they are in the ACC.
 
btstimpy said:
UVA also brings Men's Soccer, Men's and Women's Lacrosse, Wrestling, Field Hockey, and Rowing that would be homeless in the Southeastern Conference. What conference would take these programs? All of UVA's athletic programs have a home and good competition in the ACC. UVA is not interested in the SEC. It is a step backwards as an athletic department to play with football factories. And it is a really big step backwards academically. I don't see it.
Expand ...

Didn't UVA already agree to a big step backwards academically by voting to add Louisville to the ACC?
 
Sea Goat said:
Didn't UVA already agree to a big step backwards academically by voting to add Louisville to the ACC?
Expand ...

Athletically, Louisville is on the up-side and UVA is ancient history.
 
hthusky74 said:
Athletically, Louisville is on the up-side and UVA is ancient history.
Expand ...

You miss the point. UVA has been an elite national university for decades - along with many schools in the ACC. Our Cavalier friend says the SEC would be a step back academically for UVA, but they voted to accept Louisville, a school ranked below Ole Miss. Louisville is doing great now in athletics, but it wasn't always that way. Academically, it has been an underachiever for decades.
 
billybud said:
Rutgers, if they continue along the line of their 49-14 pasting by Houston, may not be much of a draw for Big Ten fans...How many Ohio State or Michigan fans will spend money to travel to watch their team pound Rutgers versus travel to a Ohio State-Michigan Match..or Penn State-Ohio State, etc?
Expand ...
THOUSANDS.... Now your showing even me the truth!!I guess folksy doesn't have to equate with classy or having anything special on CFB!This was an interesting thread until your classless comment!And what do you care anyway?RU's in like it or not.Live with it!
 
Sea Goat said:
Didn't UVA already agree to a big step backwards academically by voting to add Louisville to the ACC?
Expand ...
The ACC did yes. But 12 top 75 schools including 8 top 50 schools with 3 outliers in the ACC is better than 4 top 75 schools with 1 top 50 school and 10 outliers in the SEC.
 
.-.
huskymedic said:
http://www.athleticscholarships.net...tions-propose-more-teams-and-scholarships.htm

"A group of 12 Division I coaches’ associations in such sports as soccer, volleyball, and swimming is urging the NCAA to increase the number of sports and the amount of financial aid a university would have to offer if it sought to join any new “super division” comprising the most-powerful institutions."

http://www.athleticscholarships.net...imum-would-impact-the-power-5-conferences.htm
Expand ...

Good. I was going to suggest 20 sport minimum. Those not participating could probably afford to upgrade to that much. 24 sport minimum would have some schools dropping out of all the conferences. For example, to me it doesn't make sense for the richest athletics departments in Texas as well as Alabama to be out there fielding only 18 sports like they do today. The other extreme is somebody like Ohio State who fields 35. That's a bit rich.
 
hthusky74 said:
You miss the basic point. There is nothing to be gained by the SEC if they add UVA, nothing. They are lucky to be where they are in the ACC.
Expand ...

Not even in the cards for consideration. Not interested in the SEC.
 
btstimpy said:
The ACC did yes. But 12 top 75 schools including 8 top 50 schools with 3 outliers in the ACC is better than 4 top 75 schools with 1 top 50 school and 10 outliers in the SEC.
Expand ...

So why dilute the academic integrity of the conference for some perceived quick fix with Louisville? Did the Board of Visitors hold its collective nose on that one? Smacks of desperation. Here's what I'll never get - the ACC adds 3 former BE schools (I don't count ND and you shouldn't either.) that all are ranked below UConn academically. Further, none of them had a more distinguished athletic record either. If its all about the hatred then keep us out - we'll land some place where petty bu!! is not paramount.
 
Sea Goat said:
So why dilute the academic integrity of the conference for some perceived quick fix with Louisville? Did the Board of Visitors hold its collective nose on that one? Smacks of desperation. Here's what I'll never get - the ACC adds 3 former BE schools (I don't count ND and you shouldn't either.) that all are ranked below UConn academically. Further, none of them had a more distinguished athletic record either. If its all about the hatred then keep us out - we'll land some place where petty bu!! is not paramount.
Expand ...

I'm sorry but here I go again.

Hatred, no. Payback probably. We (justly or not) are associated in the minds of many sports administrators with the Blumenthal strategy of bringing actions against college presidents and AD as well a conference officials as individuals.
That made what should have been business, personal. Cuse & Pitt were part of the action but are not seen as closely associated with the particular strategy. This opinion is not mine but comes from two SEC admins.
 
Sea Goat said:
So why dilute the academic integrity of the conference for some perceived quick fix with Louisville? Did the Board of Visitors hold its collective nose on that one? Smacks of desperation. Here's what I'll never get - the ACC adds 3 former BE schools (I don't count ND and you shouldn't either.) that all are ranked below UConn academically. Further, none of them had a more distinguished athletic record either. If its all about the hatred then keep us out - we'll land some place where petty bu!! is not paramount.
Expand ...

I don't know why you are wasting time with him on this. There is no reason I know of to think UVA wouldn't have been happier had UConn joined instead of LV. What do you want UVA to do -- quit in protest?
 
Sea Goat said:
So why dilute the academic integrity of the conference for some perceived quick fix with Louisville? Did the Board of Visitors hold its collective nose on that one? Smacks of desperation. Here's what I'll never get - the ACC adds 3 former BE schools (I don't count ND and you shouldn't either.) that all are ranked below UConn academically. Further, none of them had a more distinguished athletic record either. If its all about the hatred then keep us out - we'll land some place where petty bu!! is not paramount.
Expand ...

I would like to see UConn invited. I've said it on this board many times. I think UConn brings a lot. The ACC has an expansion committee that is made up of Presidents, ADs, and faculty reps. They have gone over all the available and interested schools very carefully and put together an options list, and they like what they see in Louisville. They weren't interested in West Virginia who is about the same academically as Louisville and has existing rivalries with Pitt and Virginia Tech. Why? I don't have a clue. I'm not privy to that information, and they keep it well locked down. I do know that the schools in the southern part of the ACC sponsored Louisville. They were an option that pleased both the football interests and the basketball interests in the conference. The academic interests sat that one out.
 
.-.
Mr. Conehead said:
Mizzo makes sense in the ‘near term’ if the B1G needs to get to 16 schools for the next TV contract in 2015 and if the B1G had abandoned tit’s southeast expansion plan, i.e. UVA, UNC & G Tech out of the ACC, due to the GOR and now believes that the XII is conference most likely to collapse and wants a land bridge to Texas (or at least Oklahoma).
Expand ...

I have seen speculation about Mizzou to the B1G in the kind of scenario that you mentioned and speculated about it myself: the B1G is going to 20 and Mizzou comes along with Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas to join Nebraska for a 5 team pod.

However, I do not think the B1G "needs" Mizzou for the next TV contract.
I anticipate the B1G could go forward with the 14 schools and have allowances for re-negotiation of the TV contract should additional members join the B1G.
I would have to rely on those of you in the business and legal realm regarding whether this is a feasible option.

Regarding Mizzou ...
Yes Mizzou meets much of the B1G criteria for a prospective member but ...
The B1G could have invited Mizzou before the Big 8 and SWC merged but did not.
The B1G could have invited Mizzou back in 2009-2010 when conference realignment blew up after the B1G announced it was thinking of expanding but did not.
The B1G could have invited Mizzou back in 2011 when it became apparent Mizzou was going to leave for the SEC but did not.
My personal opinion: I would be fine with Mizzou in the B1G and have been surprised that it did not happen.
However, my personal opinion aside, it is difficult for me to see why the B1G would invite Mizzou now.
The B1G does not "need" Mizzou and Mizzou does not "need" the B1G.
The B1G would certainly take Texas without a "land bridge".
 
Sea Goat said:
You miss the point. UVA has been an elite national university for decades - along with many schools in the ACC. Our Cavalier friend says the SEC would be a step back academically for UVA, but they voted to accept Louisville, a school ranked below Ole Miss. Louisville is doing great now in athletics, but it wasn't always that way. Academically, it has been an underachiever for decades.
Expand ...



No you miss the point It isn't a matter of would UVA go to the SEC or not, it is a matter of would the SEC ever add UVA. The answer is NO. They already have Vanderbilt, why would they add a school not isn't even as good academically as Vanderbilt and has been going downhill athletically for years? UVA is not a major player in these discussions.
 
B1GALUM said:
I have seen speculation about Mizzou to the B1G in the kind of scenario that you mentioned and speculated about it myself: the B1G is going to 20 and Mizzou comes along with Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas to join Nebraska for a 5 team pod.

However, I do not think the B1G "needs" Mizzou for the next TV contract.
I anticipate the B1G could go forward with the 14 schools and have allowances for re-negotiation of the TV contract should additional members join the B1G.
I would have to rely on those of you in the business and legal realm regarding whether this is a feasible option.

Regarding Mizzou ...
Yes Mizzou meets much of the B1G criteria for a prospective member but ...
The B1G could have invited Mizzou before the Big 8 and SWC merged but did not.
The B1G could have invited Mizzou back in 2009-2010 when conference realignment blew up after the B1G announced it was thinking of expanding but did not.
The B1G could have invited Mizzou back in 2011 when it became apparent Mizzou was going to leave for the SEC but did not.
My personal opinion: I would be fine with Mizzou in the B1G and have been surprised that it did not happen.
However, my personal opinion aside, it is difficult for me to see why the B1G would invite Mizzou now.
The B1G does not "need" Mizzou and Mizzou does not "need" the B1G.
The B1G would certainly take Texas without a "land bridge".
Expand ...
Taking all factors into consideration, I find it surprising that the B1G chose Nebraska over Missouri. Missouri has much more significance in trade routes and obviously has a larger population. Nebraska just has 5 titles in football and a lot of crops. And I guess Warren Buffet.

If the B1G does go to 20 and UConn is added, who would the 20th school be?
 
btstimpy said:
I would like to see UConn invited. I've said it on this board many times. I think UConn brings a lot. The ACC has an expansion committee that is made up of Presidents, ADs, and faculty reps. They have gone over all the available and interested schools very carefully and put together an options list, and they like what they see in Louisville. They weren't interested in West Virginia who is about the same academically as Louisville and has existing rivalries with Pitt and Virginia Tech. Why? I don't have a clue. I'm not privy to that information, and they keep it well locked down. I do know that the schools in the southern part of the ACC sponsored Louisville. They were an option that pleased both the football interests and the basketball interests in the conference. The academic interests sat that one out.
Expand ...
If UConn and Cincinnati/Temple are added, it would be amusing to think the ACC became a combination of the old ACC, the Big East and the Metro Conference. But at the same time, if the SEC was to expand, who would they take? Right now, FSU, Clemson and maybe Houston seem to be the only viable options. I know the SEC wanted UNC and Duke as a package.
 
hthusky74 said:
No you miss the point It isn't a matter of would UVA go to the SEC or not, it is a matter of would the SEC ever add UVA. The answer is NO. They already have Vanderbilt, why would they add a school not isn't even as good academically as Vanderbilt and has been going downhill athletically for years? UVA is not a major player in these discussions.
Expand ...

I'm not sure where you do your analysis, but 7 straight top 20 Director's Cup finishes and never worse than 30 since there was a Director's Cup isn't exactly downhill. Georgia and Florida are the only SEC schools to never finish worse than 30. Given this maybe they should get out of the SEC and join the ACC where they can join UVA and UNC with quality academics and athletics. We don't want to go over there and lose on the academic side. Don't want the Big Ten either.

Schools Ranked in the Top-30 of All 19 Directors' Cup Point Standings (1994-2013)
Arizona
Arizona State
California
Florida
Georgia
Michigan
North Carolina
Ohio State
Penn State
USC
Stanford
Texas
UCLA
Virginia
 
Virginia has a great recruiting territory and a good market. Can't understand why people are downplaying it.
 
.-.
upstater said:
Virginia has a great recruiting territory and a good market. Can't understand why people are downplaying it.
Expand ...


Exactly.

Very good market, excellent academics. The major sports don't exactly light the world on fire, but you can certainly win there.

Virginia is kind of a prettier, smarter version of Maryland/Rutgers.
 
btstimpy said:
I'm not sure where you do your analysis, but 7 straight top 20 Director's Cup finishes and never worse than 30 since there was a Director's Cup isn't exactly downhill. Georgia and Florida are the only SEC schools to never finish worse than 30. Given this maybe they should get out of the SEC and join the ACC where they can join UVA and UNC with quality academics and athletics. We don't want to go over there and lose on the academic side. Don't want the Big Ten either.

Schools Ranked in the Top-30 of All 19 Directors' Cup Point Standings (1994-2013)
Arizona
Arizona State
California
Florida
Georgia
Michigan
North Carolina
Ohio State
Penn State
USC
Stanford
Texas
UCLA
Virginia
Expand ...

In that period of time how many of these schools have won a football or bball championship? Not many. Let's get a ranking of schools with football and men's basketball championships. UVA may do well in a lot of "lesser" sports, but those aren't the ones, to quote Reggie, "that stir the drink". I do agree with you about Vandy, they should be in the ACC.
 
upstater said:
Virginia has a great recruiting territory and a good market. Can't understand why people are downplaying it.
Expand ...

They can't beat the big boys in the big sports, that's why.
 
Outside of a marginal number of CFB athletes in the Hampton Rds area I don't see Va as "rich recruiting" area?Md is much smaller but much richer in athletes and how much hoops or any other sport talent comes from Va?
 
Butch said:
Taking all factors into consideration, I find it surprising that the B1G chose Nebraska over Missouri. Missouri has much more significance in trade routes and obviously has a larger population. Nebraska just has 5 titles in football and a lot of crops. And I guess Warren Buffet.
Expand ...

Despite their lack of recent success, Nebraska is a historical football brand and met Delany's desire at that time for "home run" additions for B1G expansion.
 
.-.
hthusky74 said:
In that period of time how many of these schools have won a football or bball championship? Not many. Let's get a ranking of schools with football and men's basketball championships. UVA may do well in a lot of "lesser" sports, but those aren't the ones, to quote Reggie, "that stir the drink". I do agree with you about Vandy, they should be in the ACC.
Expand ...

Not familiar with a "lessor" sport, just a sport. UVA sponsors 25 of them. If you put all your eggs in one or two sports you could end up like Virginia Tech with a national championship trophy case and no trophy to put in it. Talk about sad.

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/09/hokies-built-it-can-they-fulfill-it

The list I posted are the top 14 College Athletic Departments in the United States for the past 2 decades. I've heard the argument about football and basketball before, but a case with lots of trophies is preferred to one with none. I know UConn has 10 basketball trophies. That's impressive.
 
btstimpy said:
Not familiar with a "lessor" sport, just a sport. UVA sponsors 25 of them. If you put all your eggs in one or two sports you could end up like Virginia Tech with a national championship trophy case and no trophy to put in it. Talk about sad.

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/09/hokies-built-it-can-they-fulfill-it

The list I posted are the top 14 College Athletic Departments in the United States for the past 2 decades. I've heard the argument about football and basketball before, but a case with lots of trophies is preferred to one with none. I know UConn has 10 basketball trophies. That's impressive.
Expand ...

Once again you are wrong, UConn has 11 basketball trophies.
 
Speaking from experience, a full trophy case is perfectly meaningless.

Forget the case, we have a trophy hallway and yet here we are.

And those are hoop trophies not golf or cross country or whatever in the blue hell Virginia has won.

Not demeaning UVa - a title is a title - just bemoaning our current circumstance.
 
Fishy said:
Speaking from experience, a full trophy case is perfectly meaningless.

Forget the case, we have a trophy hallway and yet here we are.

And those are hoop trophies not golf or cross country or whatever in the blue hell Virginia has won.

Not demeaning UVa - a title is a title - just bemoaning our current circumstance.
Expand ...

It isn't meaningless. It's impressive, and it ultimately will land UConn in either the ACC or the Big Ten. Both the ACC and the Big Ten will ultimately get to 16 members. The ACC needs 1 and the Big Ten 2. I'm convinced that if UConn continues to impress in basketball and improve in football, UConn will get one of the 3 spots. It can be done.

I don't think the Big XII is where UConn should be. I don't think West Virginia belongs there either albeit beside the point. But a spot might open up there too. Just going to need to get to the next round of movement in a few years.
 
Fishy said:
Exactly.

Very good market, excellent academics. The major sports don't exactly light the world on fire, but you can certainly win there.

Virginia is kind of a prettier, smarter version of Maryland/Rutgers.
Expand ...

without the tv sets
 
.-.
Status
Not open for further replies.

Forum statistics

Threads
168,333
Messages
4,565,056
Members
10,465
Latest member
Blusad


Top Bottom