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As a leading Ollie skeptic, I will acknowledge that Hurley should be doing better with the roster he inherited.

Granted, Hurley has to do more than start from scratch, he has to clear out a steaming pile of garbage and disinfect the kitchen before he can even get started.

But what he has should be good enough to beat USF and compete with UCF.
 
djct1999 said:
Again, people are saying you shouldn't judge a coach until a full cycle of his recruits. You seem to be doing that this week. Do you not think Hurley is not trying to make adjustments? Becuase I do. He has done more in 2 months than Ollie has done in two years(on the court and off). You don't start a rebuild with wins and losses. A rebuild begins with culture. Hurley has made a ton of adjustments. You just choose to ignore them because they lost to USF. Thats on you, not Hurley.
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I could live with a loss to USF if our guards weren't consistently being beaten off the dribble, going right only, by a transfer from Gardner-Webb, with no adjustments made.
 
whaler11 said:
Other than Kathy liking posts you are 100% wrong.

If you are making a comment on me lambasting the administration for their lame attempts to fire Ollie for cause - you’ll be disappointed when you find I was way ahead of y’all in calling for Ollie to go. Just like Diaco. Just like Pasqaloni. Bad coaches are easy to identify.

The people that rant and rave loudest about Ollie are the ones who supported him the longest and the hardest because he burned them.
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I wasn’t responding to you in the first place, so . . .

I’m not going to name names, but they’re easy to find.
 
djct1999 said:
Again, people are saying you shouldn't judge a coach until a full cycle of his recruits. You seem to be doing that this week. Do you not think Hurley is not trying to make adjustments? Becuase I do. He has done more in 2 months than Ollie has done in two years(on the court and off). You don't start a rebuild with wins and losses. A rebuild begins with culture. Hurley has made a ton of adjustments. You just choose to ignore them because they lost to USF. Thats on you, not Hurley.
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Serious question. What adjustments did he make? They have been BLITZED in the 2nd half the last 3 games.

I don't like this culture focus. Yes it needs to improve. But the last coach who hyper focused on that was Diaco. You rebuild with winning winnable games. And as much as I loathe what Ollie did to this program and am disappointed with this current roster, the last 2 games were winnable. To pretend otherwise is just bizarre. People thought this team was heading in the right direction before that nova 2nd half. Now they can't possibly be expected to beat USF.
 
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ASweet3781 said:
Serious question. What adjustments did he make? They have been BLITZED in the 2nd half the last 3 games.

I don't like this culture focus. Yes it needs to improve. But the last coach who hyper focused on that was Diaco. You rebuild with winning winnable games. And as much as I loathe what Ollie did to this program and am disappointed with this current roster, the last 2 games were winnable.
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I do think it was a mistake to slow the tempo down. We don't shoot well enough to force ourselves into a half court offense, and the recent results speak for themselves. I get why he did it, but I think trading points for turnovers is something we probably should have lived with.
 
KOFanClub said:
Will Dan Hurley's teams improve as he gets his preferred personnel? Likely so. But he is not infallible for the woes of this season. Has he made any great in game moves this year like a substitution/lineup change or strategy adjustment that has yielded noticeable dividends? We cannot run any semblance of a quality offense against a quality defense and are not generating quality shots. One could argue the players are just screwing up his scheme, but it definitely a part of his job to get them do so.
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You aren't wrong. I haven't seen or at least don't remember an adjustment that was noteworthy. On the other hand his team, isn't getting blown out. I do think it is fair to point out that these guys aren't really and indication of his ability to evaluate talent, with the except of B. Adams.

There are reasons to be concerned, but there are far reasons to be hopeful. Let's see how it all plays out.
 
whaler11 said:
You replied to me... so I guess it’s odd you weren’t responding to me.
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My original post that you responded to, dope. But keep making it about you. You’re good at that.
 
AntG168 said:
Its not that he can’t coach them up. It’s that they’re flawed mentally and physically. Most of these guys aren’t his type of player. And if he was in charge 2 years ago they wouldn’t be here. They’ve been practicing bad habits for 2-3 yrs now. Hurley can’t break them in 5months. I promise you Hurley isn’t content or pleased with what he’s seeing. My expectations coming in were higher because I expected Jalen to be special. He hasn’t. So when you don’t even have a really good player on your team and you couple that with the worst front court in Div 1 ball, it’s hard to make lemonade out of that
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First I laughed...LOUDLY..."flawed physically and mentally"....ahhhh….hahaha. Then the worst frontcourt in D1......OMG I can't do this.
 
Stainmaster said:
You know, I don't think we know how you feel about the current players. Be more clear.
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I mean the culture, attitude, and habits instilled in the returning players. Hurley would be better off this year having freshman Jalen Adams than senior Jalen Adams.
 
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8893 said:
And those who take any suggestion that Hurley is not Jesus as an outrage are those who had Ollie out the door from day one.

I’m just waiting for us to be able to discuss our current players and current coaching without hearing how any deficiencies in any of them are Ollie’s fault. I believe Hurley was the right hire and that things will get better; I just expected the actual coaching to be visibly better and so far I’m not seeing it. Our offense has not improved, nor has our mettle or consistency.
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Considering how so many (including me)said the team underachieved under KO...why wouldn't we.....verbalized my feelings in a nutshell.
 
Hurley flipped Wagner in year two. It took three years at Rhody. It will probably take three years here. I watched a bunch of college hoops today after the UConn game. We'd lose by 20 to Kansas or Iowa St. Virginia made FSU look like a D2 team. My point is UConn is so far from the elite teams that a multi year rebuild is the only way back. Gotta ride ride with Hurley through at least two more recruiting classes. If that bums you out Chief suggests casual mode.
 
Excalibur said:
My original post that you responded to, dope. But keep making it about you. You’re good at that.
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You should probably go back and look at what you actually replied to and posted.
 
AntG168 said:
Its not that he can’t coach them up. It’s that they’re flawed mentally and physically. Most of these guys aren’t his type of player. And if he was in charge 2 years ago they wouldn’t be here. They’ve been practicing bad habits for 2-3 yrs now. Hurley can’t break them in 5months. I promise you Hurley isn’t content or pleased with what he’s seeing. My expectations coming in were higher because I expected Jalen to be special. He hasn’t. So when you don’t even have a really good player on your team and you couple that with the worst front court in Div 1 ball, it’s hard to make lemonade out of that
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@Excalibur speaking of hardcore ollie backers....
 
Nobody is really wrong here. (Except Stairmaster because he's been wrong about everything UConn ever)Yes Hurley inherited a program that was criminally neglected by Ollie and also yes the team has been underwhelming with questionable coaching at times. I do think the team has had higher peaks so far and is a tad better despite the awful stretch we're currently in but completely absolving Hurley and staff isn't fair especially coming from the board that defended Ollie for "winning with someone elses players." His track record and the good recruiting class coming in should instill confidence in the future but it sure would be nice to see a little more out of the current bunch.
 
FartMan69 said:
Nobody is really wrong here. (Except Stairmaster because he's been wrong about everything UConn ever)Yes Hurley inherited a program that was criminally neglected by Ollie and also yes the team has been underwhelming with questionable coaching at times. I do think the team has had higher peaks so far and is a tad better despite the awful stretch we're currently in but completely absolving Hurley and staff isn't fair especially coming from the board that defended Ollie for "winning with someone elses players." His track record and the good recruiting class coming in should instill confidence in the future but it sure would be nice to see a little more out of the current bunch.
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You charging me rent for all that space I'm occupying in your head?
 
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whaler11 said:
USF is not good. Stop. They have a decent record because they beat teams that are beyond terrible.
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auror said:
Quote me someone who said this. Easy to strawman when you don't quote.
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whaler11 said:
You are kidding right? Do you have everyone but me in this thread on ignore?
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I say again. No one has said that USF is good. I quoted the full exchange to make sure you are clear about the point I was making.

ASweet3781 said:
And as much as I loathe what Ollie did to this program and am disappointed with this current roster, the last 2 games were winnable. To pretend otherwise is just bizarre. People thought this team was heading in the right direction before that nova 2nd half. Now they can't possibly be expected to beat USF.
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Again, no one has said they can't possibly be expected to beat USF.

The only posts in any sort of manner positive about USF in this whole thread said that USF was substantially better than last year, so it should not necessarily be looked at as a major regression to lose to them on the road when we won last year by 3 at home under Ollie. The result reversal does not preclude that we have improved as a team.

It certainly doesn't indicate any improvement has transpired, but it doesn't preclude it either due to USF's own improvement and roster overhaul.
 
whaler11 said:
You should probably go back and look at what you actually replied to and posted.
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Yeah, let's do that . . .
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Excalibur said:
That win was against a BJ Taylor-less roster. You know, because rosters matter.
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And they didn’t have Dawkins last year either.
 
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auror said:
I say again. No one has said that USF is good. I quoted the full exchange to make sure you are clear about the point I was making.



Again, no one has said they can't possibly be expected to beat USF.

The only posts in any sort of manner positive about USF in this whole thread said that USF was substantially better than last year, so it should not necessarily be looked at as a major regression to lose to them on the road when we won last year by 3 at home under Ollie. The result reversal does not preclude that we have improved as a team.

It certainly doesn't indicate any improvement has transpired, but it doesn't preclude it either due to USF's own improvement and roster overhaul.
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You are joking right? The same lunatics who were posting about 5 and 6 seeds are now warning about expectations in the wake of a loss to USF... while constantly saying USF has improved (wow from 200 to 150! keep on trucking!)... isn’t an implication that expecting to beat USF is out of line.

You seriously can’t make it up. There are 15 posts about USF’s improvement. When every half decent team in the league kicks their teeth in I guess they were just lucky to survive such a good opponent.
 
Excalibur said:
Yeah, let's do that . . . View attachment 37976
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btw thanks for the low hanging fruit
Stainmaster said:
The key with Ollie (and what made this season's finish all the more frustrating) is the talent factor. Sniping over just how good our recruiting actually is aside, last year's class would've been good for #2 in the B1G and B12, and #3 in the ACC. You're someone who's very keen on us competing with the blue bloods, the Dukes and Kentuckys of the world - despite what our frequent arguments may suggest, I'd really like that as well. The only way to do that is to stockpile as much talent as we can given the limitations we're dealing with (i.e. conference and having a 5th year HC recruiting against HOFers like K, Cal, Pitino, etc.). Even if you disagree with me in that you don't think KO's player development and strategic capabilities will improve over time, there's something to be said such that the more talented players you have, the easier it is to mitigate certain weaknesses on the staff.

In my mind, Ollie is pretty clearly the only guy who can recruit as well as he does at an AAC level. And I am quite frightened of what happens when we don't have a 15-year NBA veteran whose unique personal background makes him especially adept at building relationships with prospects and their parents. I've seen a couple of people mention King Rice, the Monmouth guy -- how many Top 100 kids would he be able to pull here? How many McD AAs? The guy can't even make it out of the MAAC tourney. When you say "coaching free market," that's where my mind wonders, and it scares the heck out of me.
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AntG168 said:
Im the biggest Ollie defender. But honestly i cant fault anyone for taking some shots after what a nightmare the beginning of this wk was. They deserve some shots lol. Hell i wanted to takr some. Before chillious UConn's world felt like it was crashing haha
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