The Official 2024 NY Jets Thread

[Deepster]

Went to the game Sunday.

What a dumb stadium. Nothing around it. No personality at all. Nothing special whatsoever about the entire experience. Food? Blah. Scoreboard and general atmosphere? Meh.

Fine. It was 77 degrees and I got a little sunburn which felt nice. That’s about it.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Went to the game Sunday.

What a dumb stadium. Nothing around it. No personality at all. Nothing special whatsoever about the entire experience. Food? Blah. Scoreboard and general atmosphere? Meh.

Fine. It was 77 degrees and I got a little sunburn which felt nice. That’s about it.

I have been to that stadium…I agree with your assessment.

 

[Mike75]

OK…I think I have a change of heart. I think they should keep Rodgers.

Here is the deal…he wants to play another season or two and the Jets are going to get killed by him on their salary cap next year anyway.I think they should keep him (if he really still wants to play) because they have no plan b for quarterback right now.

The Jets have too many good players to go in tear down mode.

I think they should do everything they can to get Vrabel. Experienced head coach with success. He would do wonders with that defense. Let Vrabel hire an experienced OC…someone who can deal with Rodgers and hopefully develop the next QB. The OC doesn’t need to be the next big thing…he just needs to be competent.

I wouldn’t draft a QB in the first round…I would go OL, DL or CB (since Reed is probably gone). I would draft a QB in the second round and hope you get lucky. Plus they still have Travis. Find a way to keep Adams so he gets a full year playing with Wilson.

I think competent respected leadership with a head coach who can teach discipline (and stop the stupid penalties) and a healthier (albeit older) Rodgers with a full season of Adams and WIlson is probably the best approach for next year. Meanwhile, they can develop Travis and the QB draft pick for 2026.

I don’t see how any other experienced QB can come in and do better than Rodgers (except for Darnold and that ain’t happening) and a rookie qb would be a waste on this team.

Yes..I hate Rodgers…and I think he is a fraud…but if he willing to give it another year AND they hire competent leadership like Vrabel, that is the best way for the this team to be respectable next year.

But…it’s the Jets.

This is a smart approach. The team has talent but terrible coaching. Get a good coach (Vrabel) who has a history of making middling teams into playoff contenders. Have to be prepared to ditch Rodgers if he's not on board, but I don't think there will be any tears shed if that's the case.

 

[Waquoit]

If the Jets bring back Rodgers they deserve whatever they get.

 

[Deepster]

If the Jets bring back Rodgers they deserve whatever they get.

Not arguing....but what would you do instead, taking into account who's actually available via draft or FA?

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Not arguing....but what would you do instead, taking into account who's actually available via draft or FA?

Which is exactly my point…I saw on ESPN today that Barnwell said the Jets should sign Darnold. Would he really come back? Hard to imagine.

Outside of Darnold…I don’t know who out there is better than Rodgers…who they will be using cap space for anyway.

 

[Deepster]

Which is exactly my point…I saw on ESPN today that Barnwell said the Jets should sign Darnold. Would he really come back? Hard to imagine.

Outside of Darnold…I don’t know who out there is better than Rodgers…who they will be using cap space for anyway.

I'm sure the Falcons would dump Kirk Cousins if they could. Could you possibly swap Cousins and Rodgers? Even if you could, that's probably worse.

Could the Rams look to move on from Stafford? I don't know why, but maybe? Geno Smith? Daniel Jones (LOL)? Derek Carr? Yuk.

As bad as Rodgers is, I can't see anyone better next season....or drafting anyone that looks like a upper tier QB in the future.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

I'm sure the Falcons would dump Kirk Cousins if they could. Could you possibly swap Cousins and Rodgers? Even if you could, that's probably worse.

Could the Rams look to move on from Stafford? I don't know why, but maybe? Geno Smith? Daniel Jones (LOL)? Derek Carr? Yuk.

As bad as Rodgers is, I can't see anyone better next season....or drafting anyone that looks like a upper tier QB in the future.

It’s a sad state of affairs. I agree that Rodgers is the best option. It is classic Jets…that the best FA QB is a former Jets QB who probably doen’t have fond memories of the organization. I will say, I think the Jets fans still like Darnold. He wasn’t to blame for the disastrous start to his career.

I struggle with bringing in another experienced expensive QB when Rodgers is killing their cap space.

 

[Husky25]

It’s a sad state of affairs. I agree that Rodgers is the best option. It is classic Jets…that the best FA QB is a former Jets QB who probably doen’t have fond memories of the organization. I will say, I think the Jets fans still like Darnold. He wasn’t to blame for the disastrous start to his career.

I struggle with bringing in another experienced expensive QB when Rodgers is killing their cap space.

Ordinarily the dead cap hit would dictate that Rodgers returns to the Jets, but the 2025 cap is expected to be north of $270M. If QBs typically consume 20-25% of the cap, The Jets could technically absorb the $49M hit.

According to Spotrac, the highest paid - and theoretically best - FA QBs are Sam Darnold (rumors of re-signing with MIN), and Zach Wilson. Both are former Jets and probably non-starters (as in they wouldn't return Johnson's phone call), given how they were treated when they were there.

The best of the rest who would also make sense for NYJ are probably Justin Fields, Jameis Winston (I don't see how CLE can resign him.), and Trey Lance, with Mariota (Unless he re-signs with WSH), Heinicke, and Mac Jones on the outside.

Unless the money was Giants' level stupid (it won't be), Daniel Jones would be foolish to return to Greater New York.

BTW, NYG is in the same, or arguably worse, predicament, though Darold and Wilson may be an option for them. Just heard this morning that Ewers reportedly has a big NIL deal from a Big Ten team to transfer and not enter the draft.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Ordinarily the dead cap hit would dictate that Rodgers returns to the Jets, but the 2025 cap is expected to be north of $270M. If QBs typically consume 20-25% of the cap, The Jets could technically absorb the $49M hit.

According to Spotrac, the highest paid - and theoretically best - FA QBs are Sam Darnold (rumors of re-signing with MIN), and Zach Wilson. Both are former Jets and probably non-starters (as in they wouldn't return Johnson's phone call), given how they were treated when they were there.

The best of the rest who would also make sense for NYJ are probably Justin Fields, Jameis Winston (I don't see how CLE can resign him.), and Trey Lance, with Mariota (Unless he re-signs with WSH), Heinicke, and Mac Jones on the outside.

Unless the money was Giants' level stupid (it won't be), Daniel Jones would be foolish to return to Greater New York.

BTW, NYG is in the same, or arguably worse, predicament, though Darold and Wilson may be an option for them. Just heard this morning that Ewers reportedly has a big NIL deal from a Big Ten team to transfer and not enter the draft.

So when you look at those options…can you see how I say it may make sense to re-up with Rodgers another year?

The Jets are unique…they have a pretty good roster…they need a good coach and a QB. I think if they hire the right coach (not an up and coming coordinator) and can get competent QB play…then can be a decent team. They are in a much better situation than the Giants. If Rodgers finishes out the season playing like he did last week, he is their best option. I really do think he has been really banged up all year until now.

The problem is…they never hire the right coach…and they always underachieve…lol,

 

[dvegas]

Heads up/reminder ESPN "The New York Sack Exchange" 30 for 30 debuts tonight (12/13). Looking forward to enjoying some Jets content on TV for the first time in a long while.

 

[Deepster]

Heads up/reminder ESPN "The New York Sack Exchange" 30 for 30 debuts tonight (12/13). Looking forward to enjoying some Jets content on TV for the first time in a long while.

Those were the days a young Deepster was proud to be a Jets fan. Can't wait. I have 2 Jets jerseys. A Mo Lewis, which I haven't worn in decades after he paved the way for Brady....and a Gastineau 99.

 

[Husky25]

So when you look at those options…can you see how I say it may make sense to re-up with Rodgers another year?

The Jets are unique…they have a pretty good roster…they need a good coach and a QB. I think if they hire the right coach (not an up and coming coordinator) and can get competent QB play…then can be a decent team. They are in a much better situation than the Giants. If Rodgers finishes out the season playing like he did last week, he is their best option. I really do think he has been really banged up all year until now.

The problem is…they never hire the right coach…and they always underachieve…lol,

6/5 or pk'm.

All winning teams need a good coach and QB. Whether Saleh was a good head coach is arguable. He has a defensive background and the D was pretty good under him, but really never had a good QB other than for a handful of snaps during Week 1 last season.

Rodgers is going into his 42 y.o. year next season, is only getting older, and nothing he's done over the last three suggests he's Steve DeBerg, let alone Tom Brady. He sustained a major leg injury at age 40, may have CTE, and his antics make him a cancer in the locker room. If they do keep him, I think they would have to guarantee 2026 and extend his contract to 2030 (47 y.o. season) in order to reduce the voided years cap hit.

They should also bring in a Justin Fields type and draft a QB within the 1st three rounds. Fans can hope for a diamond in the rough. Final note on Rodgers...I personally wouldn't guarantee him to start.

I agree on the Coach. I don't think they can afford to take another chance on an up & comer. Not necessarily a retread, but they probably need a coach with experience and at least moderate success. Anthony Lynn comes to mind, but I'd hate to see him leave the Commanders. Vrabel, of course, and Brian Flores might be good. Lynn is the only offensive minded of the three, but I'm sure there are other good candidates.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Rodgers is going into his 42 y.o. year next season, is only getting older, and nothing he's done over the last three suggests he's Steve DeBerg, let alone Tom Brady. He sustained a major leg injury at age 40, may have CTE, and his antics make him a cancer in the locker room. If they do keep him, I think they would have to guarantee 2026 and extend his contract to 2030 (47 y.o. season) in order to reduce the voided years cap hit.

I really don’t think he is a cancer in the locker room. If he plays well..they don’t care about anything else. He hasn’t played well until last week…which was also his healthiest start. I don’t know all the specifics of the cap impact…but I know he has no more guaranteed money. If they keep him..it will be a one year bridge.

As I have said..I don’t like Rodgers and I would be ok if they moved on. Tyrod Taylor, Jarvis and a 2nd round pick may work with this team. The risk is Taylor getting injured and you don’t have an experienced backup.

 

[Waquoit]

Not arguing....but what would you do instead, taking into account who's actually available via draft or FA?

I don't know. I just know that the Jets can't move on from the current morass without getting rid of Rodgers first. A big problem is how do you build a decent front office? The Pats can't do it. What about getting Darnold back? Maybe he can be your Jim Plunkett, chucking deep.

 

[Deepster]

I don't know. I just know that the Jets can't move on from the current morass without getting rid of Rodgers first. A big problem is how do you build a decent front office? The Pats can't do it. What about getting Darnold back? Maybe he can be your Jim Plunkett, chucking deep.

So you want to ditch Rodgers and really have no other suggestion who else to start next year?

 

[Husky25]

I really don’t think he is a cancer in the locker room. If he plays well..they don’t care about anything else. He hasn’t played well until last week…which was also his healthiest start. I don’t know all the specifics of the cap impact…but I know he has no more guaranteed money. If they keep him..it will be a one year bridge.

As I have said..I don’t like Rodgers and I would be ok if they moved on. Tyrod Taylor, Jarvis and a 2nd round pick may work with this team. The risk is Taylor getting injured and you don’t have an experienced backup.

I think his attitude is keeping him from playing as well as he has in the past. It seems like he thinks nothing is his fault.

His coach and GM both took a fall for him.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

I think his attitude is keeping him from playing as well as he has in the past. It seems like he thinks nothing is his fault.

He coach and GM both took a fall for him.

I think his age, achilles injury, poor o line play and leg injuries have kept him from playing like he has in the past.

 

[Waquoit]

So you want to ditch Rodgers and really have no other suggestion who else to start next year?

Yes. I'm saying Rodgers is sub-replacement level, even without the drama. Look at the Vikings. Why do they have a back-up playing well and the Jets can't even find one guy?

 

[Deepster]

Yes. I'm saying Rodgers is sub-replacement level, even without the drama. Look at the Vikings. Why do they have a back-up playing well and the Jets can't even find one guy?

I still don’t think you’re answering the question.

Which QB potentially available, regardless of coach, gives the Jets the best chance next season?

 

[Waquoit]

I still don’t think you’re answering the question.

Which QB potentially available, regardless of coach, gives the Jets the best chance next season?

I did answer. I said I don't know. I do know you just wasted 2 seasons with this clown, why do you want three? The entire franchise needs to be taken down to the studs before a serious rebuild can happen and that won't happen until he's gone. I'm not trolling and yes, I hate Rodgers. But I think my distance from the team might allow me to pick up what you and other fans aren't.

 

[Deepster]

I did answer. I said I don't know. I do know you just wasted 2 seasons with this clown, why do you want three? The entire franchise needs to be taken down to the studs before a serious rebuild can happen and that won't happen until he's gone. I'm not trolling and yes, I hate Rodgers. But I think my distance from the team might allow me to pick up what you and other fans aren't.

Okay. Take it down to the studs with who at QB?

No one in the draft worth taking.
Replace Rodgers with who?

 

[Waquoit]

Okay. Take it down to the studs with who at QB?

No one in the draft worth taking.
Replace Rodgers with who?

I'm not a personnel guy. I barely follow the game. But every year there's an undervalued vet that seems to step up. This year you have Darnold and Russell Wilson. Before that you had Geno Smith and Kirk Cousins among others. The Jets spend millions in data and salary on in their personnel department, they can't find the next guy? Look, if you guys want to take the easy way out and bring back a cancer, fine. But you're gonna suck again if you do. And the year after.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

The entire franchise needs to be taken down to the studs before a serious rebuild can happen and that won't happen until he's gone.

That’s the thing…the entire franchise doesn’t need to be taken down to the studs. They need a new GM and a head coach, and a competent QB. They have talent on this team. If they get strong leadership and a decent QB play, they could be a playoff team next year.

Hopefully they can get the GM and HC…i am hoping for Robinson and Vrabel (they did well together at Tennessee) and that would leave the QB position. FA market other than Darnold is weak…and the draft is weak. It feels like the best option is running it back with Rodgers. Especially with how he has looked the last couple weeks.

 

[Waquoit]

Baker Mayfield threw 4 TD's today.

 

[Deepster]

I'm not a personnel guy. I barely follow the game. But every year there's an undervalued vet that seems to step up. This year you have Darnold and Russell Wilson. Before that you had Geno Smith and Kirk Cousins among others. The Jets spend millions in data and salary on in their personnel department, they can't find the next guy? Look, if you guys want to take the easy way out and bring back a cancer, fine. But you're gonna suck again if you do. And the year after.

Bringing him back is not the easy way out. He's a 49m cap hit no matter what he does next year. So if you move on from him, you're starting with 49m in the hole.

1) So you're not resigning some other expensive FA this year.
2) Again, there's no one in the Draft I can see being worthy of starting Week 1 next season.
3) You're living with Tyrod Taylor (who stinks worse) and still paying Rodgers or...
4) Some cut rate FA like Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston....and still paying Rodgers.

I think you're going to see a new HC, new GM, new OC and DC....and stick Rodgers out there one more time and hope for the best.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Bringing him back is not the easy way out. He's a 49m cap hit no matter what he does next year. So if you move on from him, you're starting with 49m in the hole.

1) So you're not resigning some other expensive FA this year.
2) Again, there's no one in the Draft I can see being worthy of starting Week 1 next season.
3) You're living with Tyrod Taylor (who stinks worse) and still paying Rodgers or...
4) Some cut rate FA like Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston....and still paying Rodgers.

I think you're going to see a new HC, new GM, new OC and DC....and stick Rodgers out there one more time and hope for the best.

I agree with you that they have few options for QB next year. All of the Jets media seems to think Rodgers is gone, which I just don’t get. And if I’m Rodgers and I still want to play, why would I start over with another team in another city.

Watching Rodgers body language yesterday was night and day different than earlier in the season. He didn’t look like a guy who was done with playing. I really do think early in the season he was physically in much worse shape than he let on.

 

[Deepster]

I agree with you that they have few options for QB next year. All of the Jets media seems to think Rodgers is gone, which I just don’t get. And if I’m Rodgers and I still want to play, why would I start over with another team in another city.

Watching Rodgers body language yesterday was night and day different than earlier in the season. He didn’t look like a guy who was done with playing. I really do think early in the season he was physically in much worse shape than he let on.

I think you may be onto something regarding his health now and early on. I mean, he was their leading rusher with 45 yds yesterday. LOL. And I'll also say, that first TDthrow to Davante, the fade in the corner of the end zone? That was absolutely perfect, effortless....and I'm not sure we've had many QB's capable of making that throw like it's nothing.

Where else could he go for a year, 2 at the absolute most? If he's going to start, maybe SF gets tired of the Purdy show and brings him in with an aging CMC, Deebo and Aiyuk/Kittle. Is that terribly different or better than the Jets with Hall, Wilson and Adams? If Geno leaves Seattle, could he go there? Meh. New Orleans? Tennessee? There aren't many starting jobs needing his skill and baggage.

 

[Waquoit]

You guys don't think Job 1 for Rodgers will be to undermine the new coach if the Jets don't bring in a crony? I mean sunk cost.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

You guys don't think Job 1 for Rodgers will be to undermine the new coach if the Jets don't bring in a crony? I mean sunk cost.

I think Rodgers will retire if they bring in a coach he doesn’t like.