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Waquoit said:
I didn't realize how bad it was. Hoping for intangibles? Like the old saw goes, if Rex is the answer; what is the question? The Jets (Pats, Gints) need a competant front office. Look what happened when the Mets got one. Player morale will improve the second Rodgers is gone.
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I don’t disagree. But you can’t just fire a billionaire owner and he seems incapable of hiring anyone successful at building a team.

And I understand what hiring Rex looks like to other fan bases. My question would be, find someone who wants to be there, can take on the task of cleaning up this mess and don’t give me a semi-unknown NFL coordinator.
 
Deepster said:
I don’t disagree. But you can’t just fire a billionaire owner and he seems incapable of hiring anyone successful at building a team.

And I understand what hiring Rex looks like to other fan bases. My question would be, find someone who wants to be there, can take on the task of cleaning up this mess and don’t give me a semi-unknown NFL coordinator.
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Thats why I like the idea of Curtis Martin as head of football operations. He wants to be there and has respect in the league. Let him hire the GM and HC.
 
Well. I'm off to FL on Thursday for golf and the Jets/Dolphins game with my old college roommate. He lives down there and someone in his neighborhood is an ESPN Exec with tickets to the game and he invited me down.

When I accepted the invite this August, I did not think the Jets would be 3-9 and one of the worst teams in football. Good thing he lives on a nice course and has a huge scotch collection.
 
Before yesterday’s game….I actually believed the Jets could win. They had a bye week to setttle in. They said Rodgers was the healthiest he had been all season. All skill players were healthy..D relatively healthy. Seahawks traveing across the country to play at 10 am.

nope. Bad luck…stupid penalties and an ineffective Rodgers does them in again.

Leonard Williams said something I read somewhere else before.….Rodgers plays like an old quarterback who doesn’t want to get hit. Chuck and duck.

I saw Rodgers on MacAfee about a month ago and he was using wired ear buds rather than air pods. MacAfee asked him why….and Rodgers said he had to protect his brain. I guess there is some belief that air pods are bad for your brain.

Anyway…i think Rodgers is at the point in his life where he is so fixated on crazy health stuff, he has finally realized that having a 300 DL land on him is unhealthy.

Rodgers is done…for the heck ot if, I would like to see what Tyrod Taylor can do these last few weeks.

Sadly…Rodgers contract…whether he retires or gets cut…or plays…will still kill the Jets the next couple years. But who cares..move on and try again with another qb.
 
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They had a week off on bye to sharpen up the loose spots and they're 3 months into the season and they had a delay of game at home on 2nd down....then 12 men on the field. That's just 2 of the 10 penalties they had in the half. Inexcusable.
 
Deepster said:
They had a week off on bye to sharpen up the loose spots and they're 3 months into the season and they had a delay of game at home on 2nd down....then 12 men on the field. That's just 2 of the 10 penalties they had in the half. Inexcusable.
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How about McDonald lining up in the neutral zone?

What are your thoughts on Ulbrich? I think he has too much Jets stink on him to be successful in NY. I am looking forward to him going to the Patriots and winning 12 games a year.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
How about McDonald lining up in the neutral zone?

What are your thoughts on Ulbrich? I think he has too much Jets stink on him to be successful in NY. I am looking forward to him going to the Patriots and winning 12 games a year.
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I think he's a dope. Seems like a good guy, I'm sure he's a tough SOB. But he's so far in over his head, I feel sorry for him.

If you look at the Raiders, they turned to Antonio Pierce in a similar fashion and that team responded to him very well early on.....however, now you look at that move and he's nothing special and soon to be back somewhere as a DC.
 
I want to throw this out there because it just came to me, not a troll. I'm not a big Woody Johnson fan but the guy is human. Put yourself in his shoes over the last few weeks. The guy was basically raked over the coals by anyone with a take when it was leaked that he had the temerity to ask why they couldn't bench Aaron Rodgers. You see what the Rodgers' done since. That was a bad question requiring condecension and mansplaining why? Woody must be this close to sacking the entire crew.
 
Waquoit said:
I want to throw this out there because it just came to me, not a troll. I'm not a big Woody Johnson fan but the guy is human. Put yourself in his shoes over the last few weeks. The guy was basically raked over the coals by anyone with a take when it was leaked that he had the temerity to ask why they couldn't bench Aaron Rodgers. You see what the Rodgers' done since. That was a bad question requiring condecension and mansplaining why? Woody must be this close to sacking the entire crew.
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They couldn't bench Rodgers for nearly the same reason the Giants waited so long to bench, and later release, Daniel Jones: Money.

What complicated the Rodgers situation was that the offense was presumably set up to suit his every whim and when that wasn't working, they got desperate to seek even a glimpse of positive ROI, even if that meant selling another jersey or two. No one buys the jersey of the backup QB.

I don't know how much I believe that when Johnson talked to Rodgers the night before they fired Saleh, that they talk about Saleh. I do however believe that the Jets' season was over, for all practical purposes, once they fired Saleh.
 
Waquoit said:
I want to throw this out there because it just came to me, not a troll. I'm not a big Woody Johnson fan but the guy is human. Put yourself in his shoes over the last few weeks. The guy was basically raked over the coals by anyone with a take when it was leaked that he had the temerity to ask why they couldn't bench Aaron Rodgers. You see what the Rodgers' done since. That was a bad question requiring condecension and mansplaining why? Woody must be this close to sacking the entire crew.
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A hall of fame quarterback (who you built your entire team around and sent two second round draft picks for) is returning from achilles surgery and you are going to give up on him after 5 games? I despise Rodgers…but at the time he was still well respected in the locker room. He would have lost the team if he did that. On hindsight…it wouldn’t have mattered, but at the time you still had a shot at saving the season.
 
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Husky25 said:
They couldn't bench Rodgers for nearly the same reason the Giants waited so long to bench, and later release, Daniel Jones: Money.

What complicated the Rodgers situation was that the offense was presumably set up to suit his every whim and when that wasn't working, they got desperate to seek even a glimpse of positive ROI, even if that meant selling another jersey or two. No one buys the jersey of the backup QB.

I don't know how much I believe that when Johnson talked to Rodgers the night before they fired Saleh, that they talk about Saleh. I do however believe that the Jets' season was over, for all practical purposes, once they fired Saleh.
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This is why Johnson is the problem. They traded for Favre because of him. They traded for Tebow because of him. They traded for Rodgers because of him. They fired Saleh because of him.

All the wrong moves.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
This is why Johnson is the problem. They traded for Favre because of him. They traded for Tebow because of him. They traded for Rodgers because of him. They fired Saleh because of him.

All the wrong moves.
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Take it from a Commanders fan...the hardest person to get rid of is the owner.
 
OK…I think I have a change of heart. I think they should keep Rodgers.

Here is the deal…he wants to play another season or two and the Jets are going to get killed by him on their salary cap next year anyway.I think they should keep him (if he really still wants to play) because they have no plan b for quarterback right now.

The Jets have too many good players to go in tear down mode.

I think they should do everything they can to get Vrabel. Experienced head coach with success. He would do wonders with that defense. Let Vrabel hire an experienced OC…someone who can deal with Rodgers and hopefully develop the next QB. The OC doesn’t need to be the next big thing…he just needs to be competent.

I wouldn’t draft a QB in the first round…I would go OL, DL or CB (since Reed is probably gone). I would draft a QB in the second round and hope you get lucky. Plus they still have Travis. Find a way to keep Adams so he gets a full year playing with Wilson.

I think competent respected leadership with a head coach who can teach discipline (and stop the stupid penalties) and a healthier (albeit older) Rodgers with a full season of Adams and WIlson is probably the best approach for next year. Meanwhile, they can develop Travis and the QB draft pick for 2026.

I don’t see how any other experienced QB can come in and do better than Rodgers (except for Darnold and that ain’t happening) and a rookie qb would be a waste on this team.

Yes..I hate Rodgers…and I think he is a fraud…but if he willing to give it another year AND they hire competent leadership like Vrabel, that is the best way for the this team to be respectable next year.

But…it’s the Jets.
 
Went to the game Sunday.

What a dumb stadium. Nothing around it. No personality at all. Nothing special whatsoever about the entire experience. Food? Blah. Scoreboard and general atmosphere? Meh.

Fine. It was 77 degrees and I got a little sunburn which felt nice. That’s about it.
 
Deepster said:
Went to the game Sunday.

What a dumb stadium. Nothing around it. No personality at all. Nothing special whatsoever about the entire experience. Food? Blah. Scoreboard and general atmosphere? Meh.

Fine. It was 77 degrees and I got a little sunburn which felt nice. That’s about it.
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I have been to that stadium…I agree with your assessment.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
OK…I think I have a change of heart. I think they should keep Rodgers.

Here is the deal…he wants to play another season or two and the Jets are going to get killed by him on their salary cap next year anyway.I think they should keep him (if he really still wants to play) because they have no plan b for quarterback right now.

The Jets have too many good players to go in tear down mode.

I think they should do everything they can to get Vrabel. Experienced head coach with success. He would do wonders with that defense. Let Vrabel hire an experienced OC…someone who can deal with Rodgers and hopefully develop the next QB. The OC doesn’t need to be the next big thing…he just needs to be competent.

I wouldn’t draft a QB in the first round…I would go OL, DL or CB (since Reed is probably gone). I would draft a QB in the second round and hope you get lucky. Plus they still have Travis. Find a way to keep Adams so he gets a full year playing with Wilson.

I think competent respected leadership with a head coach who can teach discipline (and stop the stupid penalties) and a healthier (albeit older) Rodgers with a full season of Adams and WIlson is probably the best approach for next year. Meanwhile, they can develop Travis and the QB draft pick for 2026.

I don’t see how any other experienced QB can come in and do better than Rodgers (except for Darnold and that ain’t happening) and a rookie qb would be a waste on this team.

Yes..I hate Rodgers…and I think he is a fraud…but if he willing to give it another year AND they hire competent leadership like Vrabel, that is the best way for the this team to be respectable next year.

But…it’s the Jets.
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This is a smart approach. The team has talent but terrible coaching. Get a good coach (Vrabel) who has a history of making middling teams into playoff contenders. Have to be prepared to ditch Rodgers if he's not on board, but I don't think there will be any tears shed if that's the case.
 
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If the Jets bring back Rodgers they deserve whatever they get.
 
Deepster said:
Not arguing....but what would you do instead, taking into account who's actually available via draft or FA?
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Which is exactly my point…I saw on ESPN today that Barnwell said the Jets should sign Darnold. Would he really come back? Hard to imagine.

Outside of Darnold…I don’t know who out there is better than Rodgers…who they will be using cap space for anyway.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Which is exactly my point…I saw on ESPN today that Barnwell said the Jets should sign Darnold. Would he really come back? Hard to imagine.

Outside of Darnold…I don’t know who out there is better than Rodgers…who they will be using cap space for anyway.
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I'm sure the Falcons would dump Kirk Cousins if they could. Could you possibly swap Cousins and Rodgers? Even if you could, that's probably worse.

Could the Rams look to move on from Stafford? I don't know why, but maybe? Geno Smith? Daniel Jones (LOL)? Derek Carr? Yuk.

As bad as Rodgers is, I can't see anyone better next season....or drafting anyone that looks like a upper tier QB in the future.
 
Deepster said:
I'm sure the Falcons would dump Kirk Cousins if they could. Could you possibly swap Cousins and Rodgers? Even if you could, that's probably worse.

Could the Rams look to move on from Stafford? I don't know why, but maybe? Geno Smith? Daniel Jones (LOL)? Derek Carr? Yuk.

As bad as Rodgers is, I can't see anyone better next season....or drafting anyone that looks like a upper tier QB in the future.
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It’s a sad state of affairs. I agree that Rodgers is the best option. It is classic Jets…that the best FA QB is a former Jets QB who probably doen’t have fond memories of the organization. I will say, I think the Jets fans still like Darnold. He wasn’t to blame for the disastrous start to his career.

I struggle with bringing in another experienced expensive QB when Rodgers is killing their cap space.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
It’s a sad state of affairs. I agree that Rodgers is the best option. It is classic Jets…that the best FA QB is a former Jets QB who probably doen’t have fond memories of the organization. I will say, I think the Jets fans still like Darnold. He wasn’t to blame for the disastrous start to his career.

I struggle with bringing in another experienced expensive QB when Rodgers is killing their cap space.
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Ordinarily the dead cap hit would dictate that Rodgers returns to the Jets, but the 2025 cap is expected to be north of $270M. If QBs typically consume 20-25% of the cap, The Jets could technically absorb the $49M hit.

According to Spotrac, the highest paid - and theoretically best - FA QBs are Sam Darnold (rumors of re-signing with MIN), and Zach Wilson. Both are former Jets and probably non-starters (as in they wouldn't return Johnson's phone call), given how they were treated when they were there.

The best of the rest who would also make sense for NYJ are probably Justin Fields, Jameis Winston (I don't see how CLE can resign him.), and Trey Lance, with Mariota (Unless he re-signs with WSH), Heinicke, and Mac Jones on the outside.

Unless the money was Giants' level stupid (it won't be), Daniel Jones would be foolish to return to Greater New York.

BTW, NYG is in the same, or arguably worse, predicament, though Darold and Wilson may be an option for them. Just heard this morning that Ewers reportedly has a big NIL deal from a Big Ten team to transfer and not enter the draft.
 
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Husky25 said:
Ordinarily the dead cap hit would dictate that Rodgers returns to the Jets, but the 2025 cap is expected to be north of $270M. If QBs typically consume 20-25% of the cap, The Jets could technically absorb the $49M hit.

According to Spotrac, the highest paid - and theoretically best - FA QBs are Sam Darnold (rumors of re-signing with MIN), and Zach Wilson. Both are former Jets and probably non-starters (as in they wouldn't return Johnson's phone call), given how they were treated when they were there.

The best of the rest who would also make sense for NYJ are probably Justin Fields, Jameis Winston (I don't see how CLE can resign him.), and Trey Lance, with Mariota (Unless he re-signs with WSH), Heinicke, and Mac Jones on the outside.

Unless the money was Giants' level stupid (it won't be), Daniel Jones would be foolish to return to Greater New York.

BTW, NYG is in the same, or arguably worse, predicament, though Darold and Wilson may be an option for them. Just heard this morning that Ewers reportedly has a big NIL deal from a Big Ten team to transfer and not enter the draft.
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So when you look at those options…can you see how I say it may make sense to re-up with Rodgers another year?

The Jets are unique…they have a pretty good roster…they need a good coach and a QB. I think if they hire the right coach (not an up and coming coordinator) and can get competent QB play…then can be a decent team. They are in a much better situation than the Giants. If Rodgers finishes out the season playing like he did last week, he is their best option. I really do think he has been really banged up all year until now.

The problem is…they never hire the right coach…and they always underachieve…lol,
 
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