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You reference the Bengals struggles as an OL problem and I hear more about Burrows calf being the driving issue. He’s not right. Can’t get anything on the ball. Can’t make the throws with zip or the long balls (Chase has been invisible).

Now could lack of protection of bad OL play be a combo problem or contributing to that? Sure. But it’s definitely not just a bad OL there. Fair points on everything else.
 
Deepster said:
You reference the Bengals struggles as an OL problem and I hear more about Burrows calf being the driving issue. He’s not right. Can’t get anything on the ball. Can’t make the throws with zip or the long balls (Chase has been invisible).

Now could lack of protection of bad OL play be a combo problem or contributing to that? Sure. But it’s definitely not just a bad OL there. Fair points on everything else.
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He's hurt because their OL is an absolute sieve and he keeps getting killed back there. They need to sit him, but it means a superbowl contender will be out of contention already and I think they had a hard time with that.

I consider it an interesting look at building a team. Keep Tee Higgins with Chase? Ok, but you need OL. KC traded Hill and rebuilt the OL and DL (after getting dominated in the trenches by Tampa in the SuperBowl the year before). Now their WR suck, but they win anyway. The Patriots used to prioritize the OL but it hasn't been good without Dante coaching it. Hoped Klemm could fix it.
 
Drafting a kicker who makes 50% of his kicks in the 4th was definitely the right move
 
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HuskyHawk said:
The Bengals have the best young QB in the game, and a great group of receivers and have the 2nd worst offense in the NFL (Giants dead last). Offensive Linemen aren't getting the job done and it's a problem across about 1/3 of the league.
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I love Joe Burrow but he's only a year younger than Patrick Mahomes and he can't hold Mahomes jock.
 
Scoe said:
Husky Hawk is going through his rough drafts for the last 2 hours, trying to spin this one.
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Nothing at all good about this game. Utter and complete disaster in every phase of the game.
 
superjohn said:
I love Joe Burrow but he's only a year younger than Patrick Mahomes and he can't hold Mahomes jock.
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When healthy, which is almost never, I think he’s the 2nd best QB in the league. Reminds me of something little appreciated abut Brady, he was almost never seriously hurt in 20 years. A lot of the better QBs in the league are a lot less durable. Mahomes has been durable.
 
Patriots offensive rankings through five weeks...

  • Points/game: 32nd
  • Yards/game: 26th
  • Yards/pass attempt: 29th
  • Yards/rush: 29th
  • EPA/play: 32nd
  • Success rate: 30th
  • EPA/dropback: 32nd
  • Dropback success rate: 30th
  • EPA/rush: 32nd
  • Rush success rate: 29th
 
Deepster said:
Patriots offensive rankings through five weeks...

  • Points/game: 32nd
  • Yards/game: 26th
  • Yards/pass attempt: 29th
  • Yards/rush: 29th
  • EPA/play: 32nd
  • Success rate: 30th
  • EPA/dropback: 32nd
  • Dropback success rate: 30th
  • EPA/rush: 32nd
  • Rush success rate: 29th
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Angry emoji not aimed at you or the post, just at the team and offense specifically. It's a train wreck. I didn't comment on the Jets thread but I think it may be a blessing that Wilson is playing. I don't think he's all that bright, but his tools are phenomenal and if he figures it out and the game slows down for him you'll be glad he got the chance.

Mac is pretty sharp, but I just don't think he has the tools to make plays when the whole offensive scheme is obliterated play after play. Teams just putting 11 in the box and overwhelming the line. Screens are tackled for a loss because nobody blocking the CBs. RBs hit behind the line every time. The only thing that could save that is a WR who could get behind the D very quickly and QB that could turn a broken play into a long TD. OL can't block. Neither TE can block. Parker is the only WR who can block and he's the deep threat.
 
They have to be tanking at this point. They can't actually be this bad, right?
 
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I think Mac is a good QB, but he's been gutted by the team leadership since day 1. I'm no expert, but it seems like there needs to be some serious change in NE. BB?

It's OK, I was a fan in elementary school when the Pats' tradition was being historically awful. Was in college in MA and was wearing the "Berry the Bears" T-shirt for that massacre. Then they were the "dynasty". We're back to awful, for now. So it goes.

Thankfully I'm not as emotionally connected to them as I am to UCMBB.
 
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DeVonte Adam's sucks big wildebeest balls
 
Mac made a great throw that Parker should have caught. Probably would have won the game. He almost made one of the worst throws you’ll see on his INT. But they scored two TDs, which is progress I suppose.
 
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I'm off the Mac Train and blame Patricia, Judge, and mainly Belichick for putting Patricia and Judge in positions to so negatively influence Jones for so long.

Hope he does well wherever his career takes him, but it's tough to see Foxborough as that place.

Of course not having any weapons that opposing DCs take seriously doesn't help either (Also on Belichick). It's not that Mac isn't Brady. No one is Brady.
 
Patriots actually looking like an NFL team so far today.
 
Waquoit said:
Who was playing QB? I know what the the uni said on the back but I'm dubious.
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He played more or less like always. Made a few bad throws, mostly good ones. Guys caught the ball, line gave him time. The biggest change I saw was a massive increase in pre-snap motion, misdirection and a real effort to disguise what they were doing. That was a welcome change, I’m no expert and I felt like I could reliably predict what they were running before. So the D definitely could.
 
HuskyHawk said:
He played more or less like always. Made a few bad throws, mostly good ones. Guys caught the ball, line gave him time. The biggest change I saw was a massive increase in pre-snap motion, misdirection and a real effort to disguise what they were doing. That was a welcome change, I’m no expert and I felt like I could reliably predict what they were running before. So the D definitely could.
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Didn't watch the game yet. I record all the Patriots and Commanders (when they are on terrestrial TV). The Patriots are the primary franchise in my market, so because they preempted the FOX game, I listened to/watched that game from an "alternate source" as I was doing house and yard work. I had planned to watch the Patriots at during the 4:00 window, but I was so disgusted by the Commanders performance, I hardly watched any more football yesterday.

Glad they won and I'll watch at some point today or tomorrow.
 
This weekend is really interesting. If they pull off a win, I think they have to be buyers at the trade deadline. If they lose, we can expect them to trade some pieces. My overall guess is we will see some trades of impending free agents like Uche and maybe Dugger. Bill will also value shop for guys he thinks are under-valued.
 
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It's bad. So many dumb penalties. Guys running horrible routes. Guys dropping easy passes. Mac making some really good throws and some really bad one (the floated sideline ball to Mondre off the back foot). He almost threw a pick when throwing a ball away, and yet there was no need to even throw it away, there was no significant pressure. Defense played well except it kept giving up big plays on 3rd down, over and over. Bill benching his two best CBs to start didn't help, but maybe it was needed to send a message.

I think it's time to blow it up. Too many of these guys have checked out.
 
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