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The Official 2023 New England Patriots Thread

2 turnovers so far way to help a brother out. I know Belichick already threw that Super Bowl against Foles.
 
After 15 minutes, the Eagles looked like they were going to roll all over Tom Brady Appreciation Day, but the Patriots looked pretty good for the final 45 minutes and made it a game by halftime. Alas, too little to late.

Weather notwithstanding, the New England defense was really good. Hurts was also not as mobile as I remember him from last year.

Mac did not lose the game. He played well and made more than a few tight throws with accuracy. I'm not sure the pick-6 was entirely his fault either. It was a little high, but once it was tipped, it was much easier to be picked. All three TDs were nice reads and nice throws. Henry had a good game as well. Boutte needs to learn from that last drive and move on. I think he will be good, but NE needs him to develop.

Lazar has it exactly correct.

 
Husky25 said:
After 15 minutes, the Eagles looked like they were going to roll all over Tom Brady Appreciation Day, but the Patriots looked pretty good for the final 45 minutes and made it a game by halftime. Alas, too little to late.

Weather notwithstanding, the New England defense was really good. Hurts was also not as mobile as I remember him from last year.

Mac did not lose the game. He played well and made more than a few tight throws with accuracy. I'm not sure the pick-6 was entirely his fault either. It was a little high, but once it was tipped, it was much easier to be picked. All three TDs were nice reads and nice throws. Henry had a good game as well. Boutte needs to learn from that last drive and move on. I think he will be good, but NE needs him to develop.

Lazar has it exactly correct.

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Hurts was mobile. But this Patriots D is loaded with fast hybrid safeties that let them shut down mobile QBs, which was always their Achilles heal with the big thumper LBs they used to use. If not for that tipped ball INT Patriots win this game. Should be a wakeup call for the so called fans who think they will be bad.

Credit to the Eagles for emphasizing the run on D, they really shut the Pats run and screen game down, which allowed the Patriots to throw it a bit once they started to actually do so. Good coaching on both sides. Two very good teams.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Hurts was mobile. But this Patriots D is loaded with fast hybrid safeties that let them shut down mobile QBs, which was always their Achilles heal with the big thumper LBs they used to use. If not for that tipped ball INT Patriots win this game. Should be a wakeup call for the so called fans who think they will be bad.

Credit to the Eagles for emphasizing the run on D, they really shut the Pats run and screen game down, which allowed the Patriots to throw it a bit once they started to actually do so. Good coaching on both sides. Two very good teams.
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Ha ok, and Matt Coral is was a great pickup too

2024 Super Bowl updated
KC, SF 6/1
Phi 7/1
.......................................21 teams later:
NE, Wsh 80/1
Ten, Chi 100/1
Car 200/1
Ind, Hou 300/1
Ari 1000/1
 
HeGotGame said:
Ha ok, and Matt Coral is was a great pickup too

2024 Super Bowl updated
KC, SF 6/1
Phi 7/1
.......................................21 teams later:
NE, Wsh 80/1
Ten, Chi 100/1
Car 200/1
Ind, Hou 300/1
Ari 1000/1
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Corral was a good pickup. Vegas has no clue when it comes to these things. How did they feel about the Rams at this time last year?
 
HuskyHawk said:
Corral was a good pickup. Vegas has no clue when it comes to these things. How did they feel about the Rams at this time last year?
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Ha, ok, I know you think that. That is why its funny to revisit how dumb of a take it was when he is cut a week later.

And yea, Vegas really makes bad numbers of SB winners, tons of teams coming from the bottom to win it

SUPER BOWL WINNERS PRESEASON ODDS​

2022 Kansas City Chiefs +900
2021 Los Angeles Rams +1200
2020Tampa Bay Buccaneers+10009.5
2019Kansas City Chiefs+60010.5
2018New England Patriots*+60011
2017Philadelphia Eagles+40008.5
2016New England Patriots*+60010.5
2015Denver Broncos+90010
2014New England Patriots+65010.5
2013Seattle Seahawks+80010.5
 
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HeGotGame said:
Ha, ok, I know you think that. That is why its funny to revisit how dumb of a take it was when he is cut a week later.

And yea, Vegas really makes bad numbers of SB winners, tons of teams coming from the bottom to win it

SUPER BOWL WINNERS PRESEASON ODDS​

2022 Kansas City Chiefs +900
2021 Los Angeles Rams +1200
2020Tampa Bay Buccaneers+10009.5
2019Kansas City Chiefs+60010.5
2018New England Patriots*+60011
2017Philadelphia Eagles+40008.5
2016New England Patriots*+60010.5
2015Denver Broncos+90010
2014New England Patriots+65010.5
2013Seattle Seahawks+80010.5
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He hasn’t been cut actually. He’s on some special leave status.
 
This team isn't far off. The defense is legit. The offense still has issues, mostly on the OL. RT was a turnstile yesterday. Strange wasn't good at LG. Mac is not the problem, he played well. Mondre was good when they blocked for him. The decisions in the passing game perplex me. They have lots of success in the middle of the field, why the sideline bombs to Bourne? The punt block was brilliant. Most exciting NFL play I've seen in some time.

Refs definitely screwed the Pats yesterday. Multiple spots well short, a bogus defenseless receiver call and they even got the lateral play wrong. Strange got there. It was a first down.
 
Deepster said:
That’s a very optimistic take on the game I watched.
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It is. I just think the team is close. Execution on a play here or there and they win both games.
 
The Offensive line was not good, but neither was the defensive line. Mostart did whatever he wanted.

I don't think Mac played poorly, but he has to play better. Turnovers are killer and the Patriots' O is not explosive enough to overcome them. They were moving the ball before the Douglas fumble and needless to say the INT inside the 5 hurt. Miami left 6 points on the field, but The Patriots left potentially 14. Hard to win that way.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
It is. I just think the team is close. Execution on a play here or there and they win both games.
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Mac Jones stats:

  • 0-13 when the other team scores 24+ pts
  • 0-12 in comeback situations down 7 or less in the 4th quarter
  • 21 drives where he would have tied or won the game in the 4th quarter he has 1 TD drive
  • 3-12 against playoff teams - Win #1 was the Buffalo snow game he had 3 pass attempts, Win #2 was against Tennessee when they were without AJ Brown, Derrick Henry and 12 other players due to COVID quarantine and Win #3 was against Miami with Skylar Thompson at QB.
Masterful job by BB masking the gaping hole he has at QB. I wish Saleh could do the same.
 
He has to cut out the brutal interceptions, but the Patriots are not 0-2 because of Mac Jones.

Mac was serviceable as a rookie. He had a Special Teams coach and Defensive Coordinator calling offensive plays for the 1st time in their careers during his second year because Belichick wanted to save Kraft some money for reasons, and only served to stunt Jones' development. Can't do that to a 2nd year, 24 YO starting QB.

 
Husky25 said:
He had a Special Teams coach and Defensive Coordinator calling offensive plays for the 1st time in their careers during his second year because Belichick wanted to save Kraft some money
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Why would he want to save Kraft money?
 
Husky25 said:
He has to cut out the brutal interceptions, but the Patriots are not 0-2 because of Mac Jones.

Mac was serviceable as a rookie. He had a Special Teams coach and Defensive Coordinator calling offensive plays for the 1st time in their careers during his second year because Belichick wanted to save Kraft some money for reasons, and only served to stunt Jones' development. Can't do that to a 2nd year, 24 YO starting QB.

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He had one bad INT so far. The first one wasn't bad, it was a deflection off the receiver. He has made some throws he shouldn't have, but he is definitely not the problem.
 
Waquoit said:
Why would he want to save Kraft money?
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If you finished the sentence, I said...: "Reasons."

Judge and Patricia were being paid by the Giants and Lyons, respectively, and there is no cap for coaches' salaries. 2022 was nonsensical with respect to the offense in general and Mac Jones in particular.
 
Husky25 said:
If you finished the sentence, I said...: "Reasons."

Judge and Patricia were being paid by the Giants and Lyons, respectively, and there is no cap for coaches' salaries. 2022 was nonsensical with respect to the offense in general and Mac Jones in particular.
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I think it had a lot less to do with money and a lot more to do with Bill being loyal to two former assistants who were fired elsewhere. He wanted to see them succeed and get new chances elsewhere. It was definitely a mistake.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
I think it had a lot less to do with money and a lot more to do with Bill being loyal to two former assistants who were fired elsewhere. He wanted to see them succeed and get new chances elsewhere. It was definitely a mistake.
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Job 1 is to put a winning team on the field. Hard not to think that BB is washed.
 
Deepster said:
Mac Jones stats:

  • 0-13 when the other team scores 24+ pts
  • 0-12 in comeback situations down 7 or less in the 4th quarter
  • 21 drives where he would have tied or won the game in the 4th quarter he has 1 TD drive
  • 3-12 against playoff teams - Win #1 was the Buffalo snow game he had 3 pass attempts, Win #2 was against Tennessee when they were without AJ Brown, Derrick Henry and 12 other players due to COVID quarantine and Win #3 was against Miami with Skylar Thompson at QB.
Masterful job by BB masking the gaping hole he has at QB. I wish Saleh could do the same.
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This is incredible. And not in a good way
 
Well they got a win. Defense was superb. Offense moved the ball but couldn't turn it into points often enough. Saw some signs of life, but they keep making mistakes in key situations, whether penalties, drops or miscommunication on routes. Juju in particular seems to be running something different than Mac expects, over and over. If they can't fix that, he needs to out of the 3rd down packages. Use Geisicki in that role. Jets have a great D, so that is part of it, but not all of it.
 
boba said:
September 24, 2023 the fun begins ends or something in between. It will be fun for someone.
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That was fun... Just hoping if Bill can do the same to the other team he dislikes, the Cowboys. Now that would be real fun.
 
Deepster said:
Mac Jones stats:

  • 0-13 when the other team scores 24+ pts
  • 0-12 in comeback situations down 7 or less in the 4th quarter
  • 21 drives where he would have tied or won the game in the 4th quarter he has 1 TD drive
  • 3-12 against playoff teams - Win #1 was the Buffalo snow game he had 3 pass attempts, Win #2 was against Tennessee when they were without AJ Brown, Derrick Henry and 12 other players due to COVID quarantine and Win #3 was against Miami with Skylar Thompson at QB.
Masterful job by BB masking the gaping hole he has at QB. I wish Saleh could do the same.
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Undefeated against the Jets.
 
Dove said:
Undefeated against the Jets.
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Turns out those "stats" weren't even accurate. Just a made up tweet.

Jones is not the problem. He's probably better than league average. Juju route running has been a problem (Myers wasn't the answer either). They may need more Boutte and Douglas, plus Geisicki lining up as a WR. OL is getting more healthy but still isn't good. Micah Parsons is a huge test for the OL. I expect another competitive game vs Dallas, but it will be tough to win there.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Well they got a win. Defense was superb. Offense moved the ball but couldn't turn it into points often enough. Saw some signs of life, but they keep making mistakes in key situations, whether penalties, drops or miscommunication on routes. Juju in particular seems to be running something different than Mac expects, over and over. If they can't fix that, he needs to out of the 3rd down packages. Use Geisicki in that role. Jets have a great D, so that is part of it, but not all of it.
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They are 20th in EPA D. It is not a great D by any means.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Hurts was mobile. But this Patriots D is loaded with fast hybrid safeties that let them shut down mobile QBs, which was always their Achilles heal with the big thumper LBs they used to use. If not for that tipped ball INT Patriots win this game. Should be a wakeup call for the so called fans who think they will be bad.

Credit to the Eagles for emphasizing the run on D, they really shut the Pats run and screen game down, which allowed the Patriots to throw it a bit once they started to actually do so. Good coaching on both sides. Two very good teams.
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Im Not No Way GIF
 
HuskyHawk said:
Awful today. The whole team looked awful.
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With Judon and Gonzalez potentially done for the year I'd be on board with tanking for Caleb Williams. But they'll probably end up with 6 wins and draft a long-snapper from Tufts that no one's ever heard of.
 
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