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whaler11 said:
If you think the price is that low... what might mean?
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I’ll say it low compared to what they were asking from the Yankees.
 
the Q said:
I’ll say it low compared to what they were asking from the Yankees.
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Yeah this is basically the starting point I'm going off. They wanted Deivi Garcia as a starting point, who's a top 40-50 prospect in baseball. The Mets got him without any top 100 prospects, which for a 2/3 starter I'll take any day
 
the Q said:
Fair points.

I’m trying to think who is the cf that the Mets could deal for.

The best bet would be to do what the Indians did last year and get their future starting cf at the TD (Oscar Mercado).

Wheeler is a great chip to find that kind of guy.
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Margot seems like the best bet, but that means trading Thor and I don't want that. In the off-season they could probably get Inciarte
 
navery12 said:
Yeah this is basically the starting point I'm going off. They wanted Deivi Garcia as a starting point, who's a top 40-50 prospect in baseball. The Mets got him without any top 100 prospects, which for a 2/3 starter I'll take any day
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If the Yankees or astros gave up a similar package I would’ve liked this deal a lot.

But if the Mets were willing to pay this exact same price in December, I’m not sure it matters as much getting him bow vs then. It just gives them a chance to lock him up long term this winter.
 
the Q said:
If the Yankees or astros gave up a similar package I would’ve liked this deal a lot.

But if the Mets were willing to pay this exact same price in December, I’m not sure it matters as much getting him bow vs then. It just gives them a chance to lock him up long term this winter.
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the last thing you want to do is lock him up long term.

has no one learned anything?
 
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the Q said:
If the Yankees or astros gave up a similar package I would’ve liked this deal a lot.

But if the Mets were willing to pay this exact same price in December, I’m not sure it matters as much getting him bow vs then. It just gives them a chance to lock him up long term this winter.
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I guess if they could have gotten him cheaper in the winter it's worth waiting. But I get the feeling it was get him now or not at all
 
whaler11 said:
the last thing you want to do is lock him up long term.

has no one learned anything?
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I’m generally with you. I wouldn’t have made this trade. I’m trying to look at it with a pro Mets perspective.

I also don’t like extending a tiny sp. short pitchers have a poor aging history.

The Mets should’ve been moving almost anything that wasn’t nailed down.

How they make a trade like this without moving dom Smith is kinda baffling as well.
 


It’s good to see that Ian Malcolm managed to safely get off of Isla Nublar.

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Vargas for a AA catcher hitting under .200 is a head scratcher. Wow. You traded him for a bag of balls.
 
Deepster said:
Vargas for a AA catcher hitting under .200 is a head scratcher. Wow. You traded him for a bag of balls.
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it’s a straight salary dump but because it’s the mets they got one of wilpon’s kids college teammates
 
whaler11 said:
it’s a straight salary dump but because it’s the mets they got one of wilpon’s kids college teammates
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They could have dumped the salary for something better than that. The deadline and their pitching trade depth dictates that.
 
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Deepster said:
They could have dumped the salary for something better than that. The deadline and their pitching trade depth dictates that.
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Yeah I feel like they could have gotten something useful but it saves them the $2M buyout this off-season. And somehow this guy is probably better than Nido
 
Deepster said:
They could have dumped the salary for something better than that. The deadline and their pitching trade depth dictates that.
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I’ve been trying to explain the GM is a clown....
 
So when they trade him for less than Buxton don’t be disappointed...

 
Deepster said:
Vargas for a AA catcher hitting under .200 is a head scratcher. Wow. You traded him for a bag of balls.
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The Coupons have wanted him gone since he went after that reporter.
 
It is amazing watching a New York City team be so darn cheap.
 
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Deepster said:
What team do you follow? I mean, other than being an expert on the Mets?
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I’m an Orioles fan - sorry you hired a tool. The obvious hire was Bloom. It’s kinda funny you are mad at me instead of the Mets. You don’t really need to be a Mets ‘expert’ to realize someone who trades for Robinson Cano isn’t competent.
 
I saw a rumor of Devi Garcia for Thor I would kill Cashman in that case. Bring the kid up already he has to be better than what they're throwing out there on the mound these days but please do not trade him for a 5.00 ERA guy. Hopefully fake news.
 
I'm on board with the moves so far, get ready for 2020. But hard to see how moving Diaz makes any sense
 
Yes, salary dump and a handful of magic beans for the cow.
BVW moves are puzzling.. Not likely the Mets get a WC spot, but Vargas is pitching well for an “old” guy. He goes, Robbie and Jed remain under contract.
Diaz needs to be given at least next year, he”s a kid. I expect BVW to unload him however.
 
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whaler11 said:
I’m an Orioles fan - sorry you hired a tool. The obvious hire was Bloom. It’s kinda funny you are mad at me instead of the Mets. You don’t really need to be a Mets ‘expert’ to realize someone who trades for Robinson Cano isn’t competent.
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I'm not mad. I do find it interesting that a fan of such a perennial bottom feeder is this critical of a team in an entirely different league.
 
Deepster said:
I'm not mad. I do find it interesting that a fan of such a perennial bottom feeder is this critical of a team in an entirely different league.
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I guess if you are stuck with getting tooled on throughout the entire thread by a non-expert the only fallback is to insinuate some bizzare conspiracy. You might want to consider I can see the Mets for what they are because I don’t care if they win or lose.

The Orioles have an idiot for an owner too. They did go to playoffs three times in five years recently, then stupidly triple down on an old roster because they had ignored J2 signings and developed no one for half a decade. If there was an Orioles thread don’t worry I would have destroyed everyone in the organization for years.
 
whaler11 said:
I guess if you are stuck with getting tooled on throughout the entire thread by a non-expert the only fallback is to insinuate some bizzare conspiracy. You might want to consider I can see the Mets for what they are because I don’t care if they win or lose.

The Orioles have an idiot for an owner too. They did go to playoffs three times in five years recently, then stupidly triple down on an old roster because they had ignored J2 signings and developed no one for half a decade. If there was an Orioles thread don’t worry I would have destroyed everyone in the organization for years.
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That's interesting that you think I'm getting "tooled on". Your only point has been you think BVW is doing a poor job and I still think the jury is out on that. I'm not going to evaluate the guy on 6 months. If you are brilliant enough to know the inner workings of the front office and running a team, maybe you'll be right. For me, I'm willing to give him more leash.

Then again, seeing as how you guys hired Dan Duquette, maybe you haven't really recovered from that one yet.
 
mauconnfan said:
I saw a rumor of Devi Garcia for Thor I would kill Cashman in that case. Bring the kid up already he has to be better than what they're throwing out there on the mound these days but please do not trade him for a 5.00 ERA guy. Hopefully fake news.
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I’m a Yankees fan and even I think Deivi Garcia is extemely overrated and is just the most recent member of the Yankees prospect hype machine. I would immediately trade him in a package fo Syndergaard. Deivi is a 5’9” right handed pitcher who sits in the low 90s with his fastball and has over a 10% walk rate in the minors. Major leaguers aren’t going to continually chase his out of the zone offspeed pitches to bail him out like they did in Double A.

To put it in perspective, the number of successful starting pitchers 5’10” or shorter could be counted on one hand. There have only been 11 total right handers 5’10” or shorter who have a WAR over 10 (the majority of whom are relievers), with Sonny Gray as #6 all time (#3 all time among starters). How many other pitchers shorter than 5'10” have even started a game since 2000? (The answer is six - Marcus Stroman, Shane Komine, Michael Tejera, Arnie Munoz, Fabio Castro, Daniel Garibay). There's a much higher chance of Deivi becoming one of the other five than he is of even becoming Marcus Stroman.
 
ihatepants said:
I’m a Yankees fan and even I think Deivi Garcia is extemely overrated and is just the most recent member of the Yankees prospect hype machine. I would immediately trade him in a package fo Syndergaard. Deivi is a 5’9” right handed pitcher who sits in the low 90s with his fastball and has over a 10% walk rate in the minors. Major leaguers aren’t going to continually chase his out of the zone offspeed pitches to bail him out like they did in Double A.

To put it in perspective, the number of successful starting pitchers 5’10” or shorter could be counted on one hand. There have only been 11 total right handers 5’10” or shorter who have a WAR over 10 (the majority of whom are relievers), with Sonny Gray as #6 all time (#3 all time among starters). How many other pitchers shorter than 5'10” have even started a game since 2000? (The answer is six - Marcus Stroman, Shane Komine, Michael Tejera, Arnie Munoz, Fabio Castro, Daniel Garibay). There's a much higher chance of Deivi becoming one of the other five than he is of even becoming Marcus Stroman.
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Good for you but I’m not giving him up for a 4.33 ERA guy especially when he’s not enough. And just so you know the Mets only consider Garcia worth anything of the 3 spoken about in a trade with the other 2 being Frazier and Andujar. They wanted Garcia but neither of those 2 nor Florial. So maybe me and the Mets are wrong and you’re right? Never know...
 
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