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OT: Realignment?

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Dooooooomed said:
With news of the Colorado State/Air Force move to the AAC all but final...

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For a land grant in a decent sized state, CSU’s athletic performance is pretty awful.
 
VCE said:
For a land grant in a decent sized state, CSU’s athletic performance is pretty awful.
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Well, they lost their best AD to UConn.
 



Switch out "M" for "B" and that's what they're claiming the PAC will fetch...

Not mentioned is what happens with the PAC Networks.
 
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After the news this morning, it looks like UCONN will be playing better schedules in a couple of years than if you’d stayed in the AAC. Hopefully that translates into better recruiting (along with a decent HC hire).
 
CL82 said:
Why?
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Watch the video it has lots of good stuff. It shows the correlation between academic success, all sports success, and being in an A5 conference.
 
Slasher said:
Watch the video it has lots of good stuff. It shows the correlation between academic success, all sports success, and being in an A5 conference.
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P5 conference…

It sort of says that. I scanned it and it seemed more white using the existing big 12 teams scores in this guys metrics and comparing the potential candidates to that, at least that’s what I gleaned from my quick look ins.

Do you have a link to the guys post with all the data. I’d be curious in a little more detail about what he weighted and how. It’s obviously a lot of data. It’s hard to know how useful it is without understanding the underlying algorithms he used to weight things.
 
Slasher said:
Watch the video it has lots of good stuff. It shows the correlation between academic success, all sports success, and being in an A5 conference.
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Many (including me) would quibble with the placement of this and/or that school's circle on "President's View" graphic. But that slide does nicely depict what an outlier Louisville is in the ACC. UConn should've been the choice.

Full presentation referenced in the video is linked below:

Dropbox

www.dropbox.com www.dropbox.com
 
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Some of the metrics seem random, like population within 50 miles. Why 50? I think 100 makes more sense. It's within an hour and half, which is reasonable drive time to games. In any event, there are 4.6M people within 50 miles of Storrs
 
Eavesdrop said:
Many (including me) would quibble with the placement of this and/or that school's circle on "President's View" graphic. But that slide does nicely depict what an outlier Louisville is in the ACC. UConn should've been the choice.

Full presentation referenced in the video is linked below:

Dropbox

www.dropbox.com www.dropbox.com
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I don't think ACC has regrets with Louisville. They fit right in!
 
CL82 said:
Some of the metrics seem random, like population within 50 miles. Why 50? I think 100 makes more sense. It's within an hour and half, which is reasonable drive time to games. In any event, there are 4.6M people within 50 miles of Storrs
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I perused the full report today. It has a lot of faults.
 
Eavesdrop said:
I perused the full report today. It has a lot of faults.
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I was shocked to see that this guy was a former banker at Credit Suisse. He would have been either an analyst pre MBA or an associate post MBA. That work product would never have gotten through the proofreading process that an associate would be responsible for given the number of typos, inconsistencies and flat out errors in the document.

There are a couple of instances of referring to G5 as FCS. There are consecutive (or almost consecutive) slides where Tennessee has one of the lowest, and then one of the largest fanbases.

Using the ivies as a benchmark makes some sense, but why include the UAA schools as well? It only serves to further clog up his charts. Maybe he has an NYU grad on staff. There’s one slide where he compares academics with football performance where he uses historical records for Ivy schools to put them in the top right corner.

He has Navy as one of the top 2/3 FBS schools academically based upon the USNWR rating of “liberal arts” schools, above a school like Rice (national). While Navy is great, they aren’t sniffing anything close to the top 25 overall. It’s like giving Providence a number one rating for being the number one ranked “regional” university in the north. Or east. Or wherever they’re rated.

There was a slide ranking research on the Y axis where he artificially moved all three service academies to near the top “just because”.

Some of his slides include the new B12 adds in the metrics, some don’t. Many appear to exclude BYU, and at least one is very anti BYU. There’s a slide that has an X through Liberty, Hawaii and UCONN as potential additions. I think we can all understand the first two.

I admire his ability to hoodwink whoever paid for this analysis.
 
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Hoophound said:
This. UConn is ridiculously close to a bazillion people.
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14.876M within 100 miles of Storrs but that jumps to over 26M if you go to 120 miles.
 
CL82 said:
14.876M within 100 miles of Storrs but that jumps to over 26M if you go to 120 miles.
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VCE did a great job highlighting a few of the report's many inconsistencies and flaws. Two broad, anecdotal critiques I'd add are that the report seems to often:

-overvalue the relevance/market share of some lesser-brand schools just because they're in, or close to, a major metro.

-undervalue the relevance/market share of some large well-branded state schools within their states.

UConn is far and away the most popular school in Connecticut. At a bare minimum he should've factored the 3.5 million people that live here into his initial equation/calculation.
 
NEVER ... use USNWR as a baseline on academic ranking.

OK. I grew up on campuses: son of a professor who became a college president. However, the media (and I could compile list of quite a few) pull out that USNWR. And it is easily debunked and consistently pissed on by the academic community. We know the holes.

In a Malcolm Gladwell podcast, he highlights a story of a University President in NJ who sends his homemade hot sauce to as many college presidents as he can think of ... because peer review is a large part of the ranking of USNWR. He states that exactly 2 other presidents have been on his campus; let alone have interaction to know his school - particularly if the 50 states is the subset. According to Reed College in Oregon statistics study, the algorithm gives great weight to this peer review.

Recently, a national sports columnist made the case that Memphis ... was just as good as Cincinnati, BYU, Houston, Utah, UCF. Academically. It is round 100+ number in the USNWR. Depending on your department ... you're not looking at U of Memphis as near the top of that grouping
 
Market share as being "near large populations" doesn't count for much any more.

What really is now more important is...what share of the national public will tune into your games?

You can be based in Philadelphia but that means little if your games do not draw.
 
Pudge said:
NEVER ... use USNWR as a baseline on academic ranking.

OK. I grew up on campuses: son of a professor who became a college president. However, the media (and I could compile list of quite a few) pull out that USNWR. And it is easily debunked and consistently pissed on by the academic community. We know the holes.

In a Malcolm Gladwell podcast, he highlights a story of a University President in NJ who sends his homemade hot sauce to as many college presidents as he can think of ... because peer review is a large part of the ranking of USNWR. He states that exactly 2 other presidents have been on his campus; let alone have interaction to know his school - particularly if the 50 states is the subset. According to Reed College in Oregon statistics study, the algorithm gives great weight to this peer review.

Recently, a national sports columnist made the case that Memphis ... was just as good as Cincinnati, BYU, Houston, Utah, UCF. Academically. It is round 100+ number in the USNWR. Depending on your department ... you're not looking at U of Memphis as near the top of that grouping
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I agree with this. USNWR is a terrible reflection of a school's academics. It's biases things that just aren't that important.
 
Slasher said:
I agree with this. USNWR is a terrible reflection of a school's academics. It's biases things that just aren't that important.
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But it has created a whole cottage industry on gaming their stats. Northeastern in particular has been successful in doing that and isn’t particularly shy about noting it.
 
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