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PAC 12 final offer

Cable could lose 10 million customers this year. Long live cable!!!
 
nelsonmuntz said:
That is not what just happened. What did happen is a few conferences scrambled to max out the last big linear contracts and expand using someone else’s money.

The transfer portal and NIL are spreading talent out, and the major conferences don’t like that.
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They are squeezing out the last pennies from linear TV - agreed.

Where I differ in opinion is that Apple, Amazon, etc are a pot of gold under the rainbow.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Athletic reporting $25/school plus incentives to take it to as high as $50/school. Can’t find a link on my phone.

Turning that deal down by the PAC 12 will go down in history as one of the stupidest decisions by any sports league.
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I remember what the catch is now.

People would have to pay for two subscriptions. They would be lucky to get a million subscribers.

If the PAC 12 came with the base subscription then it would be better. Actually even attractive.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Call me crazy, but I think the Internet is here to stay. But if you think linear is the future, you should call Bob Iger. He would definitely offer you a deal for ESPN. Maybe you know better than he does about the future of sports programming.
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You want to have a contract with linear because linear is on YouTube Tv and Hulu and all those other streaming services that are replacing cable.

That’s what streaming will be. If you hide your product behind two firewalls then you are limiting your audience.
 
UConnJim said:
If the Pac had no ability to hit 1.7 million subscribers, those schools are in a world of hurt when college sports goes streaming. They are just confirming they don't have the value to justify large TV payouts.
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Everyone is screwed if you are behind two paywalls.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Cable could lose 10 million customers this year. Long live cable!!!
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Many of those are going to Youtube TV, Hulu with Live TV, Fubo, etc. and those services get all of the sports channels that come with linear. Sports fans don't cancel their cable and replace it with just Netflix, they still have access to the major sports channels.
 
noeynox said:
Apple needs to come out with service like YouTubeTV. I had Playstation Vue. They should have copped that from Sony. YTTV is a rip off of Vue.
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This is actually a great idea. If you could sign up for Apple to get you live TV and also the Pac-12 games as part of the monthly subscription, it would probably do much better than forcing someone to have multiple subscriptions.
 
Rico444 said:
Many of those are going to Youtube TV, Hulu with Live TV, Fubo, etc. and those services get all of the sports channels that come with linear. Sports fans don't cancel their cable and replace it with just Netflix, they still have access to the major sports channels.
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Fun fact: those services are mostly unbundled so you need TWO subscriptions to watch ESPN.
 
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Those presidents will be long gone before "linear TV". Guess they feel they have to look out for the immediate future however short sighted it may be.
 
I agree with the premise that it’s like selling candy bars for Little League at this stage of its development. However, Apple would have to sell $250-300M of candy bars to justify deals with the larger conferences. They would only need to sell $5-10M of candy bars to make it interesting for UConn football.
 
noeynox said:
Those presidents will be long gone before "linear TV". Guess they feel they have to look out for the immediate future however short sighted it may be.
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I’m not so sure. Early 90’s I bought a home on 18 acres in Southern New Hampshire. We were newly married with not a whole lot of money, the home was a fixer upper.
On the roof was a rotating antenna - one direction got Hartford stations, another Boston, Manchester, Lebanon. Sometimes came in better than other times.
The house was about 600 feet from the road. I checked into cable. Beyond some distance they’d charge me by the foot to run it to the house. Would’ve cost us around $1000 just to install. No thank you.
Someone at work posted a C-band satellite dish for sale. C-band had a service to subscribe a la carte. Only get the stations you want. Additionally there were always free feeds you can tap into. I can’t count how many UCONN games I saw with no commercials. I even used to get a free Newfoundland station. It was the least expensive yet ideal tv viewing I ever had. A la carte by network and show.
Obviously that technology is gone now but if someone could bring that service to viewers they’d make a fortune. So that’s why I’m sure it will eventually happen.
 
I'm not sure the claim "Apple isn't ready" is fully accurate but regardless of that, it appears that not enough of the general public is close to being ready to embrace streaming (and eliminate linear broadcasts) for this to work at this time.
 
Rico444 said:
Many of those are going to Youtube TV, Hulu with Live TV, Fubo, etc. and those services get all of the sports channels that come with linear. Sports fans don't cancel their cable and replace it with just Netflix, they still have access to the major sports channels.
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I want to cut cable but how do major sports fans do it? Family members of mine have Fubo and it's awful for sports.
 
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superjohn said:
I want to cut cable but how do major sports fans do it? Family members of mine have Fubo and it's awful for sports.
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Depends who your teams are. YouTube tv is great for uconn and any national stuff. For the pro regional networks not as much and getting worse unfortunately
 
superjohn said:
I want to cut cable but how do major sports fans do it? Family members of mine have Fubo and it's awful for sports.
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Youtube TV is fine. They get pretty much every sports channel, at least the same as cable (except for baseball, they've dropped the three baseball teams). You're 15 seconds or so behind cable but that doesn't really matter unless you like to live bet in which case you're better off staying with cable. You do need high speed internet, although most places offer Gig speed for fairly cheap.
 
noeynox said:
How do you figure this? ESPN is standard on YTTV.
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If you can get tv direct without paying for ESPN, which you can now (either direct or through Sling, and I am sure there are others), then ESPN counts as a second subscription. As more consumers get comfortable with on-demand, fewer will pay for ESPN, especially if the NFL, NBA, MLB or NHL leave ESPN.

But even on HULU Live or YoutubeTV, ESPN no longer has a channel real estate advantage in a streaming world. It can’t tell us what to watch.
 
Neither ESPN or Fox was willing to give the PAC 12 a reasonable offer, but as soon as Apple showed up, they opened their wallets, and in the end, will have paid much more for the schools they raided to play schedules against non traditional rivals than they would have if they had just made a fair offer to the PAC 12 out of the gate.

Just like the raid of the Big East 11 years ago.
 
And for all of you that said the market wasn’t ready for streaming, ESPN and Fox disagree. They clearly viewed the Apple deal as a threat.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Neither ESPN or Fox was willing to give the PAC 12 a reasonable offer, but as soon as Apple showed up, they opened their wallets, and in the end, will have paid much more for the schools they raided to play schedules against non traditional rivals than they would have if they had just made a fair offer to the PAC 12 out of the gate.

Just like the raid of the Big East 11 years ago.
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As a sports fan, i chose my streaming service based on where i could get most of my UConn games, ESPN, Fox Sports, CBSSN and SNY were must haves. As mentioned i started with VUE which was great but went out of business, it was also more prone to glitches. Sling to me sucked, because their cloud DVR was very limited. If you are not a sports fan you can get Philo for 25 bucks a month. I've tried that too and its good as well.

This is all to say streaming has been here. Its gaining popularity but there are a ton of services/options. I don't know what apple is gonna offer the streaming sports fan that is going to be all that different than what is on the market, especially since google, has a headstart on them with YTTV.
 
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huskymedic said:
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This playbook was written once already. That is why what Yormark did was brilliant (even though it sucks for us). He was proactive and negotiated his deal ahead of the PAC even if his deal was set to expire after the PAC's. Kliavkoff's failure was in not getting his president's to see the failure in doing that. However, i am inclined to believe that Oregon and Washington were difficult in this process because they are the ones that got exactly what they wanted.
 
noeynox said:
This playbook was written once already. That is why what Yormark did was brilliant (even though it sucks for us). He was proactive and negotiated his deal ahead of the PAC even if his deal was set to expire after the PAC's. Kliavkoff's failure was in not getting his president's to see the failure in doing that. However, i am inclined to believe that Oregon and Washington were difficult in this process because they are the ones that got exactly what they wanted.
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I believe the PAC 10 wanted to stay together. They wanted to be associated with each other. The problem was that the deal Kliavkov had wasn’t good enough for the majority of the conference. The money wasn’t there and neither was the exposure. That’s why they waited so long to see the deal. When it wasn’t what they wanted, Arizona, Oregon and Washington found new homes.
 
dayooper said:
I believe the PAC 10 wanted to stay together. They wanted to be associated with each other. The problem was that the deal Kliavkov had wasn’t good enough for the majority of the conference. The money wasn’t there and neither was the exposure. That’s why they waited so long to see the deal. When it wasn’t what they wanted, Arizona, Oregon and Washington found new homes.
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I think most of the PAC wanted to stay together. Not Washington and Oregon though. They had been angling for the B1G since USC and UCLA got picked up. Unfortunately they were the most valuable pieces of what was left. The second they were out, everyone headed for the lifeboats. Colorado apparently saw it before everyone else. Oregon and Washington i don't believe were acting in good faith. The whole conference was confident they were signing a GOR, up until 10 minutes before the meeting? That just says OU and UW worked the phones through the night trying to get out. Not hard to see.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
ESPN and Fox paid more for less content than it would have cost them to just make a fair bid in the first place.
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It does seem like bad business. But they do it over and over again.
 
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