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JeepCSC said:
Yeah, it’s better to be on linear at this point in time (see Thursday Night football’s switch from Fox to Amazon). I’m not arguing there will be a tipping point, but it’s not yet and it can’t be properly exploited with PAC football.
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The tipping point is coming sooner than you think. The cable company negotiation is already underway where ESPN will get unbundled. Once that happens, ESPN essentially becomes a subscription service.
 
ZooCougar said:
Unless there is something I am missing that doesn’t sound terrible except for the fact that you are in hidden Apple.
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Yeah, who would want to be in business with Apple?
 
WestCoastHusky said:
We were so close getting into the B12 until B1G and FOX stepped in at the last sec and took the offer from us at the 11th hour.

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It won’t help UConn, but I hope to be able to read about it when Apple makes one or more of ESPN, Fox, the departing PAC 12 schools, the Big 12 or Big 10 bleed from their butt for playing Apple.
 
What's interesting about Apple's offer to the Pac 12 is that Apple's Chairman, Arthur Levinson, has a BS from University of Washington and Tim Cook is on the Board of Nike.

Apple's CEO, COO, and SVP of services all have a degree from Duke (one BS and 2 MBAs). The COO also was raised in Raleigh, NC and has a BS from NC State. I would think the ACC should be OK with Apple.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Athletic reporting $25/school plus incentives to take it to as high as $50/school. Can’t find a link on my phone.

Turning that deal down by the PAC 12 will go down in history as one of the stupidest decisions by any sports league.
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Yes, as long as their subscriber base doubled the NFL
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
How long do you think the big 10 will carry the deadweight once the big linear guarantees end?
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This may work itself out. I imagine that at some point there will be a way to identify the subscriber base by school and compensate the individual schools accordingly Then it would be feasible that some schools can earn three, four or five times what the bottom of the conference earns.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
This may work itself out. I imagine that at some point there will be a way to identify the subscriber base by school and compensate the individual schools accordingly Then it would be feasible that some schools can earn three, four or five times what the bottom of the conference earns.
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Even so, will any of the metrics come close to justifying what they are currently being paid? Purdue might not be worth 10 mil.
 
djct1999 said:
Even so, will any of the metrics come close to justifying what they are currently being paid? Purdue might not be worth 10 mil.
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It’s be better than current model.
 
I'm not sure you can take your entire athletic department off linear TV and continue to recruit at a level that's required to actually compete for top 25 rankings regularly - even if you are paid a premium for it.

I think the Big East can continue to be a major player in college athletics in spite of the revenue difference to the P4 as long as our the majority of our games are shown on linear TV.

I'd look to re-up with Fox as the primary rights holder and look towards CW as the secondary.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I'm not sure you can take your entire athletic department off linear TV and continue to recruit at a level that's required to actually compete for top 25 rankings regularly - even if you are paid a premium for it.

I think the Big East can continue to be a major player in college athletics in spite of the revenue difference to the P4 as long as our the majority of our games are shown on linear TV.

I'd look to re-up with Fox as the primary rights holder and look towards CW as the secondary.
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Linear TV won’t be linear TV for much longer.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Linear TV won’t be linear TV for much longer.
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And when the tipping point occurs, hopefully the league hasn't locked into such a long term deal that doesn't allow them to pivot.

I don't think that time is right now though.
 
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AZ, AZ State & Utah should have taken the B12 offer even if it was $5m less.

B10 was eventually be coming back to the Pac10 schools (OR, WA) in order to get USC & UCLA some proximate neighbors/opponents. It was only a matter of time before the Pac10 was to be destroyed by B10.

If you were not going to be on the B10 short list - then you better take the B12 offer now. Four years from now the B10 would have called & AZ/AZ State/Utah may not have had an offer from B12. Better to be the aggressor.

B10 looks like a generous savior for OR & WA. But they really were the sole group responsible for their "Rose Bowl Partners" untimely demise.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
And when the tipping point occurs, hopefully the league hasn't locked into such a long term deal that doesn't allow them to pivot.

I don't think that time is right now though.
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I bet the movie and television industries thought they had more time too.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I bet the movie and television industries thought they had more time too.
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So your suggesting the Big East go fully non-linear in the hopes that they've precisely timed the point in time which more people consume sports from linear to streaming?
 
ConnHuskBask said:
So your suggesting the Big East go fully non-linear in the hopes that they've precisely timed the point in time which more people consume sports from linear to streaming?
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Call me crazy, but I think the Internet is here to stay. But if you think linear is the future, you should call Bob Iger. He would definitely offer you a deal for ESPN. Maybe you know better than he does about the future of sports programming.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
This may work itself out. I imagine that at some point there will be a way to identify the subscriber base by school and compensate the individual schools accordingly Then it would be feasible that some schools can earn three, four or five times what the bottom of the conference earns.
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It could be done simply by signaling you're a fan of a school when you sign up.

I can't see how/why a fan wouldn't say that.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Just track which games are actually streamed.
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If you could limit that so it can't be gamed like they do on youtube with the same people watching a video over and over and over again.
 
upstater said:
If you could limit that so it can't be gamed like they do on youtube with the same people watching a video over and over and over again.
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You will have distinct, paying subscribers, like Netflix does. Youtube is free and doesn't even require registration.
 
WestCoastHusky said:
Well played by FOX using B1G to steal an important media property from Apple.

If the Big East is smart, they need to seek out Apple looking for something similar at the next media deal negotiation.
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This. The only way UConn gets into the Big 12 is if 1) Fox gets worried they are going to lose UConn inventory to ESPN via the ACC; or 2) Fox gets worried they are going to lose UConn inventory to Apple via a contract with the Big East.

The combination of ESPN and the ACC is such a cluster that it might not ever make the obvious play of inviting UConn at a reduced 20 million share for five years...and Fox may be betting on this. So we may have to hope/wait for number 2...which could get Fox/Big 12 and ESPN/ACC both off of their asses so as not to give Apple a foothold in college sports that includes a brand like UConn (here bball would matter).

Unless 1 or 2 happen, Fox has UConn on the cheap...and UConn gives the Big East its value. No need to move UConn anywhere.

These networks are currently pulling all the strings.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Call me crazy, but I think the Internet is here to stay. But if you think linear is the future, you should call Bob Iger. He would definitely offer you a deal for ESPN. Maybe you know better than he does about the future of sports programming.
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So you know better than every major professional sports league and power athletic conference in America who prioritize their games being on linear?

Please setup sometime with Roger Godell and Adam silver and present your findings.
 
DGB said:
This. The only way UConn gets into the Big 12 is if 1) Fox gets worried they are going to lose UConn inventory to ESPN via the ACC; or 2) Fox gets worried they are going to lose UConn inventory to Apple via a contract with the Big East.

The combination of ESPN and the ACC is such a cluster that it might not ever make the obvious play of inviting UConn at a reduced 20 million share for five years...and Fox may be betting on this. So we may have to hope/wait for number 2...which could get Fox/Big 12 and ESPN/ACC both off of their asses so as not to give Apple a foothold in college sports that includes a brand like UConn (here bball would matter).

Unless 1 or 2 happen, Fox has UConn on the cheap...and UConn gives the Big East its value. No need to move UConn anywhere.

These networks are currently pulling all the strings.
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So the best thing for UConn is for the BE to have a new media partner for the next contract?
 
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UConnJim said:
What's interesting about Apple's offer to the Pac 12 is that Apple's Chairman, Arthur Levinson, has a BS from University of Washington and Tim Cook is on the Board of Nike.

Apple's CEO, COO, and SVP of services all have a degree from Duke (one BS and 2 MBAs). The COO also was raised in Raleigh, NC and has a BS from NC State. I would think the ACC should be OK with Apple.
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ConnHuskBask said:
So you know better than every major professional sports league and power athletic conference in America who prioritize their games being on linear?

Please setup sometime with Roger Godell and Adam silver and present your findings.
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That is not what just happened. What did happen is a few conferences scrambled to max out the last big linear contracts and expand using someone else’s money.

The transfer portal and NIL are spreading talent out, and the major conferences don’t like that.
 
The Pac-9 (8) had no shot of hitting 1.7MM subscriptions and they wanted linear exposure. I think it's pretty simple. When you consider the MLS has under 1MM subscribers with 29 teams in major cities (and even a spike due to Messi) they are nowhere near 1.7MM. And they have a lot of free subscribers due to T-Mobile.

Let's assume they expanded to 12 (and Arizona stayed -- but they were already voted into the Big 12 by then - but let's just assume that.) Pac-9 adds SMU, San Diego State and UNLV. So 1.7MM / 12 = 142,000 subscribers per school on average. Just think about that for a second. SMU averages 20,000 fans for football and <7k for basketball. And remember this is subscribers not total people (a family of four only needs 1 subscription.) Let's say optimistically their fanbase is 80,000 strong. That converts to MAYBE 40,000 subs (people willing to buy apple+ PLUS the additional fee for Pac 12 content.)

Even if you assume the strong brands in the Pac 12 could get those 150k subscribers (Arizona, Washington, Oregon) there's no shot the other 9 with apathetic fanbases were going to cover the rest. No one cares about Cal, SMU, UNLV and San Diego St. OSU/WSU have passionate fans there's just enough of them.
 
Slasher said:
The Pac-9 (8) had no shot of hitting 1.7MM subscriptions and they wanted linear exposure. I think it's pretty simple. When you consider the MLS has under 1MM subscribers with 29 teams in major cities (and even a spike due to Messi) they are nowhere near 1.7MM. And they have a lot of free subscribers due to T-Mobile.

Let's assume they expanded to 12 (and Arizona stayed -- but they were already voted into the Big 12 by then - but let's just assume that.) Pac-9 adds SMU, San Diego State and UNLV. So 1.7MM / 12 = 142,000 subscribers per school on average. Just think about that for a second. SMU averages 20,000 fans for football and <7k for basketball. And remember this is subscribers not total people (a family of four only needs 1 subscription.) Let's say optimistically their fanbase is 80,000 strong. That converts to MAYBE 40,000 subs (people willing to buy apple+ PLUS the additional fee for Pac 12 content.)

Even if you assume the strong brands in the Pac 12 could get those 150k subscribers (Arizona, Washington, Oregon) there's no shot the other 9 with apathetic fanbases were going to cover the rest. No one cares about Cal, SMU, UNLV and San Diego St. OSU/WSU have passionate fans there's just enough of them.
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If the Pac had no ability to hit 1.7 million subscribers, those schools are in a world of hurt when college sports goes streaming. They are just confirming they don't have the value to justify large TV payouts.
 
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