OT: TIGER

[Alydar]

BTW - no one had to putt through the flem. It is considered casual water and can be removed before putting.

 

[Icebear]

I'm confused. First you say you justify judging Tiger because "Judgment based on behavior within a society must always exist or else chaos reigns without limit as to what is to be tolerated" (1) So your judgement is based on societal rules but what others do in comparison to what Tiger does is irrelevant? You can't have it both ways. Tiger's behavior within a society by defintion considers his behavior as it compares to others in that society. In this case the "society" is the PGA and in that society Tiger is hardly at the top of the list of boorish players.

BTW - Do you judge your parishioners based on (2) what you read in the paper or hear on TV?

(1) Societal rules and individual behaviors are often at odds with each other. Despite the behaviors of priests, bishops, pastors and Sandusky we have societal rules that prohibit those behaviors. My father and mother taught me early on the falacy of defending myself on the basis of others behavior. So far I have never jumped off that bridge.

The PGA is not society. The PGA is one small niche within the larger society. The PGA depends on having a marketable product to attract the larger society into its gate receipts and is well aware of the need to clean up the public face of its product or else it would not edit its TV broadcasts so carefully.

(2) I have seen Tiger's on course behavior for myself it is not that rare and I have heard Tiger's admissions of his behavior in his marriage.

As to parishioners read Matthew 18 the process is there. It does not guarantee success. Sometimes those involved cannot admit their fault and guilt and simply walk away in shame unable to admit their sin. It is impossible to bring them healing in such cases. I had to deal with that in someone stealing from a church.

 

[vtcwbuff]

Well said IB. For myself I fall back on the old adage that if you want to find out about a person's character, just play a round of golf with them. IMO Wood's on course behavior provides insight into what type of person he is. His off course behavior reinforces that.

 

[mauconnfan]

Well said IB. For myself I fall back on the old adage that if you want to find out about a person's character, just play a round of golf with them. IMO Wood's on course behavior provides insight into what type of person he is. His off course behavior reinforces that.

Yeah because you have played so many rounds with him??

Why aren't we talking about Sergio or Pat Perez or Colin Montogomerie? Oh I know why because Tiger wins and makes a ton of money that's why. There are so many golfers, Arnie included and I'm sure you all love him, who have had behavior issues on and off the course. C'mon it's a sport right? Tennis was only as good as McEnroe, Connors, Lendl and hasn't been the same since. Showing passion and wanting to be real good at your craft isn't a sin. Unless you just aren't a fan!!

 

[Icebear]

Believe me, mau, I would have called out everyone of them, too. It's the behavior that's wrong without regard to person.

 

[mauconnfan]

Believe me, mau, I would have called out everyone of them, too. It's the behavior that's wrong without regard to person.

Fair enough.......good thread interesting takes on the man we know as Tiger. I'm sure we all admit to one thing, it sure will be much more fun on the weekend if he's in the hunt so you can either root for him to finish or root for him to fall apart depending on your point of view....lol

 

[Icebear]

Fair enough.......good thread interesting takes on the man we know as Tiger. I'm sure we all admit to one thing, it sure will be much more fun on the weekend if he's in the hunt so you can either root for him to finish or root for him to fall apart depending on your point of view....lol

Sadly, I was someone who watched the PGA almost every Sunday afternoon. I loved golf. I have watched a total of 4-6 rounds in the last three years. It has taken away all my passion for the game.

 

[Alydar]

Sadly, I was someone who watched the PGA almost every Sunday afternoon. I loved golf. I have watched a total of 4-6 rounds in the last three years. It has taken away all my passion for the game.

Funny but I stopped watching for a few years when Greg Norman was the media darling. He got all the hype Tiger gets except he choked every time the chips were on the line in a major. I got sick of watching the Greg Norman show every week. Talk about a phoney media creation. That chisled face belied a weak belly. Thank god Tiger came along and restored my interest.

 

[Icebear]

Funny but I stopped watching for a few years when Greg Norman was the media darling. He got all the hype Tiger gets except he choked every time the chips were on the line in a major. I got sick of watching the Greg Norman show every week. Talk about a phoney media creation. That chisled face belied a weak belly. Thank god Tiger came along and restored my interest.

That's how I felt about Tiger until all this happened and I had followed him a few times.

 

[Alydar]

The only time I saw him play was the last time the PGA was at Wingfoot, 98 or 99. It might have been Tiger's first year as a pro. He didn't have a very good day. Made a bunch of incredible shots but put too many in the tall grass around the greens. The horde that followed him were a constant moving mass with about twenty photographers along for the ride. Many golfers who played with him commented on how hard it was too play under those conditions. And he had that every round. And at Wingfoot that year he was a perfect gentleman. If he cursed I didn't hear it and frankly that is the last thing I care about.