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Scoe said:
I went to the game last night and the giants looked lethargic and still in preseason mode, and the cowboys looked a lot more determined and wanted it more andare more serious about a Super Bowl then the Giants are. Reese and Macadoo are Vags.
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Same thought I had about the Pats/Chiefs on Thursday. Long season.
 
It's the Cowboys at their place, no OBJ, and Dallas is pumped they have their star running back in there -plus a revenge factor for last year.
Yeah they looked like crap but they are the Giants!!!
I'm remaining calm for another week or two
 
The Giants were a below average offense last year even with Odell in the lineup, so it wasn't surprising in the least that they looked terrible without him. Last night's game just showed how good Beckham is and how valuable he is to the Giants. I don't think they're gonna average 30 points a game with Odell, but their defense is good enough to win games scoring around 20.

As a Cowboys fan, I was very happy to see how good the defense looked. There were times Eli had time to throw downfield, but couldn't find anyone open. Obviously it's hard to know whether or not he was missing open receivers or everyone was covered without looking at the All-22, but it was encouraging to see almost all of the passes were 10-15 yards and in.
 
champs99and04 said:
Not a Giants fan, but I know there are a lot of them on this board. At what point do they seriously consider moving on from Eli Manning? This was just an embarrassing performance tonight, Odell or not.
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If that was your take away from the game then you should re-watch it and try again.
 
Jerry1714 said:
God, a bandwagoner cheering on criminals, what a life you must live.
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I feel like regardless of when you started rooting for a team, if you've stuck with them for over 20 largely unsuccessful years, you're not a bandwagoner. But that's just me.

PS. Your leading receiver last night was arrested a mere 3 months ago ;)
 
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Calhoun's Court said:
It's one game but the offense was nonexistent and the OL still stinks. Same problem as last year.

The entire offensive side of the ball including the HC are to blame.

Can't ask your D to stay on the field all night.
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Coaching was horrendous last night. Playing calling change is needed.

If you give up 19 points the Giants should win every time, granted if Dakota was decent he would have connected on two more TDs and it would have been 26 points instead of 19. Giving up 5.5 yards a play is not bad (Pats gave up 8.3 Thursday), but the offense and coaching cost them this game.
 
UCDaveD said:
I feel like regardless of when you started rooting for a team, if you've stuck with them for over 20 largely unsuccessful years, you're not a bandwagoner. But that's just me.

PS. Your leading receiver last night was arrested a mere 3 months ago ;)
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Don't disagree with any of that, but Jerry Jones. ;)
 
NC_Uconn_Fan said:
It's one game, not going to get too worried yet. Oline was bad, Eli was bad, giving a pass to the defense because they were on the field the whole 1st half. Let's see next week.
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The D only gave up 19, while being on the field for 35+/- minutes. Nothing to be overly concerned about, though I wish we saw more pressure. The biggest concern is the oline. The giants needed to invest on the oline and did not do so. I'm afraid it could be a tough year for Eli.
 
UCDaveD said:
I feel like regardless of when you started rooting for a team, if you've stuck with them for over 20 largely unsuccessful years, you're not a bandwagoner. But that's just me.

PS. Your leading receiver last night was arrested a mere 3 months ago ;)
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That is just you. You are a bandwagoner.

Charges were dropped against Lewis. And you do not want to compare teams on this one........
 
Jerry1714 said:
That is just you. You are a bandwagoner.

Charges were dropped against Lewis. And you do not want to compare teams on this one...
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Do you get triggered this easily in every day life, or have I just hit a sensitive subject?

Good game last night though, G-men looked great :)
 
I was shocked the Giants didn't do anything to upgrade the offensive line after last season. While Eli isn't without blame, having a QB with no mobility behind that line is a recipe for disaster. He seems really quick to dump the ball off to check downs, but by the same token, if he hangs in the pocket he's facing pressure in his face nearly every drop back.

They haven't scored more than 20 points since Week 12 last year against the Browns and they haven't scored 30 points since the last game of 2015 - so it's not like this is a new issue.

I thought it was wreckless to spend a 1st round pick on Engram, who could end up being good, was more of a luxury at this point given the glaring deficiencies on the line.

With Eli's window rapidly closing (or perhaps already is closed), a top 5 defense that they spent a ton of money on, a top 3 playmaker in the league in Beckham, I thought they absolutely needed to make a move to shore up the offensive line.

And what did we get? DJ Fluker.

Reese was able to sign Jenkins, Olivier and Harrison, in addition to drafting some studs, but I think he may have torpedoed any chance of seriously competing this season.
 
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jojipoji said:
If you think this game is Eli's fault you don't know football well. The RT Hart is getting owned. You can't win if you can't run the ball and don't have more than a second or two to throw the ball.
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Are you saying Eli is an accurate quarterback and deserves no blame?
 
UCDaveD said:
I feel like regardless of when you started rooting for a team, if you've stuck with them for over 20 largely unsuccessful years, you're not a bandwagoner. But that's just me.

PS. Your leading receiver last night was arrested a mere 3 months ago ;)
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Might not want to go down this road. You had a serial killer on your team, just sayin'.
 
puppygenius said:
Are you saying Eli is an accurate quarterback and deserves no blame?
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He wasn't good last night no denying that. But he's fine, the line is much more obvious than anything else.
 
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CardiacAndre7 said:
Call me an Eli hater, whatever, I can call you an Eli defender at the same time. I am disappointed with his play, as I was all last season. Listen, I know the line is bad, really bad, you don't have to tell me twice, but that doesn't mean Eli is helpless or without blame for some of the plays he makes, or fails to make. Marshall was wide open twice for two first downs, 2 bad passes that go incomplete. He settles for dump downs far too much, and is becoming increasingly inaccurate on passes more than 10 yards down the field. 220 yards on 37 attempts is not something you want to see.
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I get what you're saying but he also still makes great throws too, he's good enough to win with. Can't come off last night talking about Eli first that's all I'm saying (although he's part of it but just one game) the glaring weakness is the OLine and you need to protect him to see what he still has, until then totally unfair. For now after watching some football yesterday this is by far the weakest offensive line anyone put on the field, embarrassingly bad and Reese should be the one people are pointing at, not even the line itself. To not know, as you said, you have at least 2 linemen who should only be back ups blocking for an older already immobile guy is pitiful.
 
Eli isn't without blame and as a guy getting paid to be a top flight QB he should be expected to lead his team and make plays even in the face of adversity.

With that said, even with an average offensive line, I think you could win in the playoffs even with 37 year old Eli.

It just seems that the construction of the roster, with an aging, unathletic QB, you'd want a top flight offensive line, or if you had an athletic QB (Wilson, Dak, Rodgers) you could afford to let them move in the pocket.

As good as Dak is and will continue to be, I'd be curious to see how Eli would play behind the protection he receives. That isn't taking anything away from Dak either - just more so I'd like to confirm what Eli has left in the tank.
 
mauconnfan said:
Why is that Waq, it wasn't recent enough for you Waq? LOL or I can just say 2-0?
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All the championships my teams have won since has a way of healing old wounds. You can say 2-0 all you want if you want to sound like a "get off my lawn" guy.
 
Loved this game, even though I like the Giants better than the Cowboys. Why? Because of the hazmat level of snark by Giants fans after the Patriots lost. Might want to dial that back a bit.
 
Waquoit said:
All the championships my teams have won since has a way of healing old wounds. You can say 2-0 all you want if you want to sound like a "get off my lawn" guy.
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Wow what a joke of a statement that is. Last year is history according to you - or is it just the one's you won. What a crock o' this is LOL
 
Fishy said:
Forget Eli.

No quarterback will succeed behind that line. If Eli tries to go downfield, he'll be killed.

They were terrible last year and the Giants effectively did nothing to improve it.
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It's like if a college basketball team was terrible at rebounding, lost all of its big men, and replaced them with a JUCO, an Ivy Leaguer, and a couple of skinny freshmen.
 
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nomar said:
It's like if a college basketball team was terrible at rebounding, lost all of its big men, and replaced them with a JUCO, an Ivy Leaguer, and a couple of skinny freshmen.
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Geez if it's going to look as bad as last night in Storrs too I'm not going to have a good fall/winter rooting for my teams. Yankee better get to October at least then :eek:
 
Fishy said:
Forget Eli.

No quarterback will succeed behind that line. If Eli tries to go downfield, he'll be killed.

They were terrible last year and the Giants effectively did nothing to improve it.
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It's a combination that's killer. An awful line with the least mobile qb in NFL. Giants with this line need a qb with that can scrabmle to give the wr's time to get open downfield. I know it sounds crazy but Geno would currently be more affective than Eli.

Another season of Eli just throwing away or three yard pass as he's scared to get hit in pocket will make me nuts. This offense has to try something different. Don't want to hear it was OBJ being out, they were the 25th offense with him last year.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Eli isn't without blame and as a guy getting paid to be a top flight QB he should be expected to lead his team and make plays even in the face of adversity.

With that said, even with an average offensive line, I think you could win in the playoffs even with 37 year old Eli.

It just seems that the construction of the roster, with an aging, unathletic QB, you'd want a top flight offensive line, or if you had an athletic QB (Wilson, Dak, Rodgers) you could afford to let them move in the pocket.

As good as Dak is and will continue to be, I'd be curious to see how Eli would play behind the protection he receives. That isn't taking anything away from Dak either - just more so I'd like to confirm what Eli has left in the tank.
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Eli is a competent starting QB. He really was never anything more than that, and he's slipped a little. Put the right team around him and he can win. He can't carry them anywhere. In any event, at 37, they should be drafting a QB to play behind him and learn. These teams that throw rookies in as starters often do the player and themselves a disservice. Dak survived it, but many don't.
 
The Giants need a competent offensive line. Every football team needs a competent offensive line.

Without one, it doesn't matter if your quarterback is mobile, that you have good receivers or good backs. Replace Eli with whoever else you'd like, same awful result.

No offensive line, no offense.

Football 101.
 
RJScootin said:
It's a combination that's killer. An awful line with the least mobile qb in NFL. Giants with this line need a qb with that can scrabmle to give the wr's time to get open downfield. I know it sounds crazy but Geno would currently be more affective than Eli.

Another season of Eli just throwing away or three yard pass as he's scared to get hit in pocket will make me nuts. This offense has to try something different. Don't want to hear it was OBJ being out, they were the 25th offense with him last year.
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Yeah it can't be because OBJ was out, that's pitiful. But the only receiver he looked comfortable throwing too was Sheppard, I think proof of how important it is to be on the same page. No excuse for a couple of the throws they were awful but some of the routes were taking too long - they showed that Marshall and Ingram play with both routes and neither was looking back to the ball and Eli was already in huge trouble. So many things to blame with coaches being front and center, that was not a prepared team last night.

I will have to disagree on Gino vs Eli - take my chances on the line just playing better and Eli having enough time to get the ball out. I mean I saw Gino, he's a back up. Not saying I wouldn't give him a shot eventually but for now we have the right guy but lots of things need to get better. Even the defense could have been more aggressive last night, played off the ball way too much. But they really didn't give up much in reality 15 points - 5 FG's. Have to win with those numbers, even 19 with the gift.
 
mauconnfan said:
Yeah it can't be because OBJ was out, that's pitiful. But the only receiver he looked comfortable throwing too was Sheppard, I think proof of how important it is to be on the same page. No excuse for a couple of the throws they were awful but some of the routes were taking too long - they showed that Marshall and Ingram play with both routes and neither was looking back to the ball and Eli was already in huge trouble. So many things to blame with coaches being front and center, that was not a prepared team last night.

I will have to disagree on Gino vs Eli - take my chances on the line just playing better and Eli having enough time to get the ball out. I mean I saw Gino, he's a back up. Not saying I wouldn't give him a shot eventually but for now we have the right guy but lots of things need to get better. Even the defense could have been more aggressive last night, played off the ball way too much. But they really didn't give up much in reality 15 points - 5 FG's. Have to win with those numbers, even 19 with the gift.
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I agree Geno is a back qb, wasn't trying to make him out to be the future. But current state of the line (with a good sample size) I don't see how a pure pocket passer like Eli can succeed.

Pulling for Eli, that was a rough start last night. Was really hoping to see the offense take a step forward last night, instead went backwackwards.

On the bright side it's week 1 and the Giants D will be really good.
 
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