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aceboon said:
Lebron was not having a great Finals before last night's vintage performance(my posts were before game 5), I don't really know how anyone could argue otherwise if you were watching the games.
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I agree....

First great game for LeBron in the series....

He was disappointing until last night....

Lue really needs to wake up, I know he's young, but it's so obvious that Kevin Love is not a good basketball player and is a negative in just about every way right now, I get you don't have much else to go to, but still...

Irving
Smith
Shumpert
Jefferson
Thompson
LeBron

Those are the 6 guys who need to play the most mins, I get you have to play Love because that's only 6 guys but he shouldn't be playing 35 mins..

41 points 16 REB 7 ass 3 stl 3 blk 2 TO....shot over 50 percent from field, 50 percent from 3...

Virtuoso performance...
 
aceboon said:
Lebron was not having a great Finals before last night's vintage performance(my posts were before game 5), I don't really know how anyone could argue otherwise if you were watching the games.
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That's interesting because I was going to say I don't know how you could watch the games and argue he hasn't had a great series. It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to say a guy who leads in every single statistical category is not playing well.

Let me reiterate, he leads the finals in ALL FIVE statistical categories. Find a player who has ever done that and get back to me before you tell me he's not having a great series.
 
mauconnfan said:
You know what isn't greatness and leadership, the way he is always blaming someone else and embarrassing them when he calls them out on a play. One in particular in which he was wrong last night he was guarding Iggy on the perimeter when the ball went opposite low to another Cav who missed a lay up, Love was trying to get in position to weak side rebound when Thompson manhandled him and threw him away to get the rebound, Love defended the put back which was missed and followed up by Iggy for a dunk. After which LeBron looked at Love with disgust then after a whistle down the other end was telling him how to box out - it was unbelievable coming from him because if you see how I explained it and watched it, that's exactly what LBJ did, watched the whole play. His guy ultimately got he put back so he most definitely missed his assignment as he wandered to help and never go back to his guy, he actually did nothing but somehow had the nerve to call Love out. He did it later with others including another with Tristan, he must suck to play with he's not a good teammate and he is a baby the more I watch him.

He was really good as a player last night, exactly what you expect him to be as well as Kyrie, great stuff. But his actions as a teammate are embarrassing.
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What you described sounds like great leadership to me. If someone doesn't do their job, why don't you want players calling out their teammates and making sure they do it right the next time?

I swear, the LeBron hate is bordering on nuts.
 
kyleslamb said:
Let me reiterate, he leads the finals in ALL FIVE statistical categories. Find a player who has ever done that and get back to me before you tell me he's not having a great series.
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He's a victim of the DHam, Andre Drummond effect. He's not measured on what he does, but rather on what he could do if he played to his theoretical potential, as defined by a bunch of know-nothing couch potatoes.

I love the fact that you dug out the "leads in all 5 statistical categories" and guys are arguing, "but have you watched the games?"

I also love the fact that some haters think he gets all the calls. Guy routinely gets killed going to the rim, but because he plays through the constant contact, he doesn't get the calls. Too much.
 
He's was very good game 3 and great game 5. The other games haven't been good. Turned the ball over 6 or seven times. Took an extra dribble driving instead of taking a 12 foot pull up. Was not good 3/4 games going into last night.
 
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TasteofUConn said:
He's a victim of the DHam, Andre Drummond effect. He's not measured on what he does, but rather on what he could do if he played to his theoretical potential, as defined by a bunch of know-nothing couch potatoes.

I love the fact that you dug out the "leads in all 5 statistical categories" and guys are arguing, "but have you watched the games?"

I also love the fact that some haters think he gets all the calls. Guy routinely gets killed going to the rim, but because he plays through the constant contact, he doesn't get the calls. Too much.
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Yea, it is kind of important to watch games instead of just reading a statline from game 4, for example. If you read the statline you would think he had a great game, but if you actually watched you would know that wasn't the case. Bron had subpar games in 2 and 4, game 1 was just ok, and game 3 he played well but really poured it on after the game got to dbl digits. I'm really baffled how anyone could say he was having a great series with 2 subpar games out of 4(game 5 hadn't occured yet), but I know you got an agenda to push.
 
aceboon said:
Yea, it is kind of important to watch games instead of just reading a statline from game 4, for example. If you read the statline you would think he had a great game, but if you actually watched you would know that wasn't the case. Bron had subpar games in 2 and 4, game 1 was just ok, and game 3 he played well but really poured it on after the game got to dbl digits. I'm really baffled how anyone could say he was having a great series with 2 subpar games out of 4(game 5 hadn't occured yet), but I know you got an agenda to push.
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Frank clearly doesn't watch the games, no use in engaging him.
 
Lebron is a horrible leader.
kyleslamb said:
What you described sounds like great leadership to me. If someone doesn't do their job, why don't you want players calling out their teammates and making sure they do it right the next time?

I swear, the LeBron hate is bordering on nuts.
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I won't argue Lebron's physical gifts, but I don't know many people who would compliment his leadership. His whole image is that of a privileged prima donna. He undermines his coaches. His teammates don't appear to like him. His actions seem a little staged and scripted (throwing the powder in the air).
 
aceboon said:
Yea, it is kind of important to watch games instead of just reading a statline from game 4, for example. If you read the statline you would think he had a great game, but if you actually watched you would know that wasn't the case. Bron had subpar games in 2 and 4, game 1 was just ok, and game 3 he played well but really poured it on after the game got to dbl digits. I'm really baffled how anyone could say he was having a great series with 2 subpar games out of 4(game 5 hadn't occured yet), but I know you got an agenda to push.
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You keep saying you need to actually watch the games, but I have to question if you actually have. If you did, I'm not sure you know what you're actually watching.

Are you seeing LeBron's decision making? Are you seeing his stellar rim protection? Have you watched him fight through screens? How about the constant help defense?

I think you're just cherry picking field goal percentage for a few games and spurts of other games and using that to say he's not having a great series. You can't lead an entire series of games in ALL categories and not be having a great series. Why? Because it corroborates what you would see if you're actually watching these games... he's out there doing EVERYTHING for his team. Seriously, it takes mental gymnastics to argue he's not having a great series when he's out there playing hawking defense, blocking and altering shots, finishing fast breaks, hitting jumpers, boxing out and rebounding, making precision passes, etc.

The guy is the greatest player in the world and you're doing what too many clueless couch potatoes do... judge him against his own greatness.

Find me a player that's ever led an entire series in all five of those categories. Just go ahead. Report back to me. Then tell me someone that does everything isn't having a good series.
 
Deepster said:
Lebron is a horrible leader.


I won't argue Lebron's physical gifts, but I don't know many people who would compliment his leadership. His whole image is that of a privileged prima donna. He undermines his coaches. His teammates don't appear to like him. His actions seem a little staged and scripted (throwing the powder in the air).
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I think you're conflating his ego with his leadership ability. I also don't know where you're getting the impression his teammates don't like him. Kyrie, Jefferson, Smith, etc. are constantly around him and appear happy to do so. Those guys worship him.

Is he a world class, self-absorbed jerk at times? Absolutely. But in practice, in the weight room and on the court, he is an amazing leader. I mean the guy doesn't just tell people what they should be doing and where they should be doing it, he actually backs it up by example. His workout regimen and preparation is flawless. A massive ego and a jerk? Yes. A great leader nonetheless? Yes.
 
kyleslamb said:
You keep saying you need to actually watch the games, but I have to question if you actually have. If you did, I'm not sure you know what you're actually watching.

Are you seeing LeBron's decision making? Are you seeing his stellar rim protection? Have you watched him fight through screens? How about the constant help defense?

I think you're just cherry picking field goal percentage for a few games and spurts of other games and using that to say he's not having a great series. You can't lead an entire series of games in ALL categories and not be having a great series. Why? Because it corroborates what you would see if you're actually watching these games... he's out there doing EVERYTHING for his team. Seriously, it takes mental gymnastics to argue he's not having a great series when he's out there playing hawking defense, blocking and altering shots, finishing fast breaks, hitting jumpers, boxing out and rebounding, making precision passes, etc.

The guy is the greatest player in the world and you're doing what too many clueless couch potatoes do... judge him against his own greatness.

Find me a player that's ever led an entire series in all five of those categories. Just go ahead. Report back to me. Then tell me someone that does everything isn't having a good series.
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Yea this is going nowhere, you seem to be projecting Bron's game 5 performance onto the entire series when he hasn't played like that. Not even saying he has to do that for 5 games because that would be ridiculous and unfair, but the other 4 games were not great. You see it your way, I see it mine, go on with your day.
 
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One thing to keep in mind about Lebron is that he is playing an insane amount of minutes. This will lead to having higher counting stats and not playing as well down the stretch. Even before last night I think he has been the best player in the series.
 
aceboon said:
Yea this is going nowhere, you seem to be projecting Bron's game 5 performance onto the entire series when he hasn't played like that. Not even saying he has to do that for 5 games because that would be ridiculous and unfair, but the other 4 games were not great. You see it your way, I see it mine, go on with your day.
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For all the time you've been telling people he hasn't played well and they need to watch the games, you've yet to give any reason(s) why.

It reminds me of whenever people complain about a coach for not making adjustments, and sure enough, they never say what adjustment(s) the coach should have made that would have helped. It's all generalities without anything actually tangible.

I've said several reasons why he is playing well. I backed up my opinion with something tangible.
 
kyleslamb said:
For all the time you've been telling people he hasn't played well and they need to watch the games, you've yet to give any reason(s) why.

It reminds me of whenever people complain about a coach for not making adjustments, and sure enough, they never say what adjustment(s) the coach should have made that would have helped. It's all generalities without anything actually tangible.

I've said several reasons why he is playing well. I backed up my opinion with something tangible.
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I haven't read a single thing tangible in your posts, good day sir
 
bballgrda said:
One thing to keep in mind about Lebron is that he is playing an insane amount of minutes. This will lead to having higher counting stats and not playing as well down the stretch. Even before last night I think he has been the best player in the series.
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Mark Jackson said the same thing during the broadcast last night. Said if hte series ended last night LeBron deserved MVP just like last year's final where he deserved to be MVP. He then said that probably wont happen though just like it didnt happen last year
 
I mean I know some here will say the stats don't matter but it would be awfully tough for me to argue that someone with the series stats below is playing; bad, poorly, not up to par, not good enough, etc. He's had his moments of drop off and some will say some of those stats are boosted in blow out time but come on. Expecting much more is a little unfair.

28 ppg. 12 rpg 8 apg 2.4 spg 2 bpg 5 topg 50% FG% 38% 3PT % 68 % FT%
 
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kcc1442 said:
I mean I know some here will say the stats don't matter but it would be awfully tough for me to argue that someone with the series stats below is playing; bad, poorly, not up to par, not good enough, etc. He's had his moments of drop off and some will say some of those stats are boosted in blow out time but come on. Expecting much more is a little unfair.

28 ppg. 12 rpg 8 apg 2.4 spg 2 bpg 5 topg 50% FG% 38% 3PT % 68 % FT%
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The FT% is really the only negative number. 2 apg shy of a triple-duoble, 50% fg and 38$ 3pt fg, pretty awesome stuff.
 
aceboon said:
I haven't read a single thing tangible in your posts, good day sir
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He indicated LBJ is leading in all 5 categories. Are you trying to be funny, or do you want a paper copy of those stats?
 
kyleslamb said:
So you're doing the fingers in the ear, la la la la la 'I can't hear you' routine eh? About what I expected. Good day to you too.
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No, I'm doing the "this is going nowhere and we don't see eye to eye on this routine like I told you several replies ago", but you were so thirsty for an argument that you initiated you decided to keep on going with it.
 
aceboon said:
No, I'm doing the "this is going nowhere and we don't see eye to eye on this routine like I told you several replies ago", but you were so thirsty for an argument that you initiated you decided to keep on going with it.
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If you don't want people to argue with you, don't go on a public forum and make indefensible statements. LeBron is having an outstanding series. I know both because I've watched him play extraordinarily well and because he's put up incredible numbers. If you think he's played poorly, please explain why.
 
kyleslamb said:
You keep saying you need to actually watch the games, but I have to question if you actually have. If you did, I'm not sure you know what you're actually watching.

Are you seeing LeBron's decision making? Are you seeing his stellar rim protection? Have you watched him fight through screens? How about the constant help defense?

I think you're just cherry picking field goal percentage for a few games and spurts of other games and using that to say he's not having a great series. You can't lead an entire series of games in ALL categories and not be having a great series. Why? Because it corroborates what you would see if you're actually watching these games... he's out there doing EVERYTHING for his team. Seriously, it takes mental gymnastics to argue he's not having a great series when he's out there playing hawking defense, blocking and altering shots, finishing fast breaks, hitting jumpers, boxing out and rebounding, making precision passes, etc.

The guy is the greatest player in the world and you're doing what too many clueless couch potatoes do... judge him against his own greatness.

Find me a player that's ever led an entire series in all five of those categories. Just go ahead. Report back to me. Then tell me someone that does everything isn't having a good series.
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"Are you seeing Lebron's decision making? Are you seeing his stellar rim protection? Have you watched him fight through screens? How about the constant help defense?" You just described all the things he did last night and really hadn't been doing the rest of the series.
 
CallMeBruce said:
If you don't want people to argue with you, don't go on a public forum and make indefensible statements. LeBron is having an outstanding series. I know both because I've watched him play extraordinarily well and because he's put up incredible numbers. If you think he's played poorly, please explain why.
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I said he had been playing subpar(the exact word choice) for his standard because he didn't play well in 2 out of the 4 games(games 2 and 4), which is where we were at that point, that didn't equal him having a great series to me. If you feel otherwise then cool, I'm not doing another 3 pages of this nonsense when I already explained that position 2 pages ago.
 
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superjohn said:
"Are you seeing Lebron's decision making? Are you seeing his stellar rim protection? Have you watched him fight through screens? How about the constant help defense?" You just described all the things he did last night and really hadn't been doing the rest of the series.
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BINGO
 
CallMeBruce said:
If you don't want people to argue with you, don't go on a public forum and make indefensible statements. LeBron is having an outstanding series. I know both because I've watched him play extraordinarily well and because he's put up incredible numbers. If you think he's played poorly, please explain why.
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The conversation was about how he had played prior to last night. Prior to last night, he was a player with a broken jump shot throwing the ball all over the court. He was doing a lot of great things, too, because he's LeBron, but there were still limitations to his game (inability to consistently punish the Warriors for switching) that you could specifically trace back to the outcome of the series. Iguodola was getting the best of that match-up until last night.
 
champs99and04 said:
The conversation was about how he had played prior to last night. Prior to last night, he was a player with a broken jump shot throwing the ball all over the court. He was doing a lot of great things, too, because he's LeBron, but there were still limitations to his game (inability to consistently punish the Warriors for switching) that you could specifically trace back to the outcome of the series. Iguodola was getting the best of that match-up until last night.
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Exactly this.

People seem to want to label his performance as either bad or great, when the reality is that he was neither of those things until last night. By his standards, he had been having a meh series.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
You had to have been wearing your new Steph Curry 2s when you typed this.
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I don't like Curry either (even given his last name) I have NO skin in the game. But you had to be wearing your "Mau's Stupid" hat you and 7774 bought because if you saw that and are ok with it, I'm worried about your thoughts on Lebron. It was terrible and he was wrong, you want to tell me he wasn't and why. Please watch it and then defend yourself - no shot!
 
kyleslamb said:
What you described sounds like great leadership to me. If someone doesn't do their job, why don't you want players calling out their teammates and making sure they do it right the next time?

I swear, the LeBron hate is bordering on nuts.
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Not sure I said I hated him at all, so I'm not sure who's nuts here? But he has changed into an unlikable guy with his incessant whining and now throwing his own guys under the bus. Leadership? LOL not calling out a guy for you taking a play off - watch it and get back to me ok.
 
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