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That may be true, but Olympics is about team and coming together to win the gold. Candace is a selfish, me first player who will shut down an offense when the ball gets to her. Great player? Absolutely! But also a very me first, second, and third player. NONE of the other 12 want to play with her.

So how does she have some of the highest ever efficiency numbers in the league which is aided by her rebounds and assists? I'm guessing you've interviewed those other 12 players. Many have certainly come to her defense and have left other teams to be her teammate while in LA. Now, in Chicago, she defers to others on most nights, especially when they play an overmatched team.
 
I respect your thoughts, but I disagree. I don’t think she is a me first player at all. I don’t feel like NONE of the 12 want to play with her, you don’t want her to play with them. Had she chosen not participate in last olympics she’d be on the team. The only real problem about Candace’s game is she will sometimes argue with the ref and get back/give full out effort on defense effort like I know she can.

This may all be a moot point regarding Candace anyway. I saw an article on SB Nation from 2018 where she is quoted saying she will never play for Team USA again.
 
I respect your thoughts, but I disagree. I don’t think she is a me first player at all. I don’t feel like NONE of the 12 want to play with her, you don’t want her to play with them. Had she chosen not participate in last olympics she’d be on the team. The only real problem about Candace’s game is she will sometimes argue with the ref and get back/give full out effort on defense effort like I know she can.

The full out effort thing is kinda funny. Some will argue she lacked effort, even in the years when she lead the league in efficiency. She's one of those players that glides, so to speak, and it looks effortless, but the stat sheet is filled. She has led the team in points, rebs, and assists in the same night and then someone will say she lacked effort. It's a bit comical to me.
 
This may all be a moot point regarding Candace anyway. I saw an article on SB Nation from 2018 where she is quoted saying she will never play for Team USA again.

She won't. She is announcing the games and happy to be in that position. For someone that nobody likes, it's interesting that some like her enough for that distinction. Her popularity isn't suffering one bit.
 
The full out effort thing is kinda funny. Some will argue she lacked effort, even in the years when she lead the league in efficiency. She's one of those players that glides, so to speak, and it looks effortless, but the stat sheet is filled. She has led the team in points, rebs, and assists in the same night and then someone will say she lacked effort. It's a bit comical to me.
Nothing to do with stats. If you watch her, you can see it.
 
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I respect your thoughts, but I disagree. I don’t think she is a me first player at all. I don’t feel like NONE of the 12 want to play with her, you don’t want her to play with them. Had she chosen not participate in last olympics she’d be on the team. The only real problem about Candace’s game is she will sometimes argue with the ref and get back/give full out effort on defense effort like I know she can.
That's just not correct. Candace did not CHOOSE to take herself out of Team USA consideration. She was not selected. She may like talking revisionist history these days, or Tenn fans may do that as well, but it was not her choice to be left off Team USA.

Once she was left off the team, she may have come out and said she wouldn't play for Team USA ever again, but that ship had already sailed. She was never going to be considered by Team USA again.

And none of it had to do with her physical talent. When she puts in 100% effort, she's a great player.
This may all be a moot point regarding Candace anyway. I saw an article on SB Nation from 2018 where she is quoted saying she will never play for Team USA again.
Wasn't her choice. It was Team USA's choice.

How she is now, how she plays now, what she says now, it's possible she has changed. But back in the day, Team USA did not want her - and this came from both players, and the committee. I do not speak of that as a fact, but rather reports I heard directly from 2nd hand sources who had communication with the players and committee members. And it was numerous reports from different people, so it's not like it was sour grapes from just one entity.

Take it all FWIW. People who love Candace will always say she was screwed and that it was "done to her". She can certainly spin what she wants now because no one is going to jump up and down (ie. players/committee members/coaches from the past) and dispute it. Just not worth the drama.

As for Nneka, if people are upset enough about it (ie. reporters), they can, and should, push Team USA for an explanation. Some fans think if Nneka was left off for an injury, so should Dee. That's complete crap. Diana has been a leader for Team USA for 4+ Olympic cycles. She's the greatest to ever play the game. She could have been half dead and she'd still have made the team.

Much like the respect they gave to Catch back in the day. Her last year on Team USA, she was the 12th player off the bench and could easily have been left off for others, ie. new blood, but like Dee (and Sue), so much respect for her that she was included. Unlike Catch, tho, Sue is still at the top of her game. A healthy Dee will be a starter for Team USA. Both are still that good...
 
Candace is happy. Team USA was thrilled with how the 2016 Olympic result (best team ever). All is well on that front.

Feel badly for Nneka. It is not life or death but I’m sure she is deeply disappointed.
 
That's just not correct. Candace did not CHOOSE to take herself out of Team USA consideration. She was not selected. She may like talking revisionist history these days, or Tenn fans may do that as well, but it was not her choice to be left off Team USA.

Once she was left off the team, she may have come out and said she wouldn't play for Team USA ever again, but that ship had already sailed. She was never going to be considered by Team USA again.

And none of it had to do with her physical talent. When she puts in 100% effort, she's a great player.

Wasn't her choice. It was Team USA's choice.

How she is now, how she plays now, what she says now, it's possible she has changed. But back in the day, Team USA did not want her - and this came from both players, and the committee. I do not speak of that as a fact, but rather reports I heard directly from 2nd hand sources who had communication with the players and committee members. And it was numerous reports from different people, so it's not like it was sour grapes from just one entity.

Take it all FWIW. People who love Candace will always say she was screwed and that it was "done to her". She can certainly spin what she wants now because no one is going to jump up and down (ie. players/committee members/coaches from the past) and dispute it. Just not worth the drama.

As for Nneka, if people are upset enough about it (ie. reporters), they can, and should, push Team USA for an explanation. Some fans think if Nneka was left off for an injury, so should Dee. That's complete crap. Diana has been a leader for Team USA for 4+ Olympic cycles. She's the greatest to ever play the game. She could have been half dead and she'd still have made the team.

Much like the respect they gave to Catch back in the day. Her last year on Team USA, she was the 12th player off the bench and could easily have been left off for others, ie. new blood, but like Dee (and Sue), so much respect for her that she was included. Unlike Catch, tho, Sue is still at the top of her game. A healthy Dee will be a starter for Team USA. Both are still that good...
Not the Olympics, the world championships after she wasn’t selected to compete in the Olympics. Don’t think players will come out and say we don’t want Candace. I don’t buy it.
 
Not the Olympics, the world championships after she wasn’t selected to compete in the Olympics. Don’t think players will come out and say we don’t want Candace. I don’t buy it.
No player is going to ever come out and say it in public. It was said in private. And it was players (plural), not necessarily from UCONN. You don't have to believe me. I get it. I'm just telling you what i was told by numerous different sources.
 
You do realize that Candace had the only triple double leading into the 2016 Olympics during the qualifying play. In other words, you don't get a triple double that includes assists and rebound if you don't pass and you don't hustle. Let's not let facts get in the way, though.

Candace Parker was also removed from the starting line up in 2012 after posting the only double / double. That double included rebounds, which means putting in the work. She also did so in very few minutes players.

But carry on..
Agree. This whole ripping on Candace about something from several years ago is past old at this point. Chicago, not coincidentally, has been one of the hottest teams in the league since she came back. Talent-wise she's undoubtedly one of the best in the world in terms of what she can do. I'm not saying that means she should be back on the team or anything, that ship has sailed, but to continue to disparage her is unfair.
 
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That may be true, but Olympics is about team and coming together to win the gold. Candace is a selfish, me first player who will shut down an offense when the ball gets to her. Great player? Absolutely! But also a very me first, second, and third player. NONE of the other 12 want to play with her.
I find it truly amazing how some of our posters can mislabel and even vilify players without a single shred of documentation. Where is the data that indicates Candace is selfish? Have teammates stated this? Coaches? She shuts down offenses? Please describe how she does this. None of the others players want to play with her? Who's said this? I think your statements are far too critical without any substantiation. CP has won championships as a collegian and a pro, and is one of the best players in the sport.
 
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Oh please. D is my favorite player but if you watch her, she's not exactly hustling back on defense every time. If you can't back it up with anything, then just stop...
You can easily pull up the highlights on YouTube and watch sir or ma’am
 
I find it truly amazing how some of our posters can mislabel and even vilify players without a single shred of documentation. Where is the data that indicates Candace is selfish? Have teammates stated this? Coaches? She shuts down offenses? Please describe how she does this. None of the others players want to play with her? Who's said this? I think your statements are far too critical without any substantiation. CP has won championships as a collegian and a pro, and is one of the best players in the sport.

If your looking for warm and fuzzy's in regarding non-UConn players you may be in the wrong place. Go to the Chicago Sky or Vol Nation forums. Boo Hoo, people are being mean to Candace! Time to put on your big person pants and realize she is deeply flawed.
 
I find it truly amazing how some of our posters can mislabel and even vilify players without a single shred of documentation. Where is the data that indicates Candace is selfish? Have teammates stated this? Coaches? She shuts down offenses? Please describe how she does this. None of the others players want to play with her? Who's said this? I think your statements are far too critical without any substantiation. CP has won championships as a collegian and a pro, and is one of the best players in the sport.
Here are just two examples:

#1: voted “most overrated” by her peers

#2#. Won “defensive player of the year” voted by media but not selected to 1st or 2nd team all-defense as voted by the Coaches.




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Anyone else get the impression that all these sports writers already had their stories teed up and ready to go just waiting for the announcement to plug in the name of whatever player they think got snubbed?
They just recycle the same story for each USA team from the U16 team to the National team, but somehow the WC selections for the National Team are much more muted - less glory, less press I guess (same for the qualifying tournaments.)
 
Candace is happy. Team USA was thrilled with how the 2016 Olympic result (best team ever). All is well on that front.

Feel badly for Nneka. It is not life or death but I’m sure she is deeply disappointed.
Completely agreed on both fronts. My heart does break for Nneka, whom I have always admired, and I wanted badly to see her play in the Olympics.
 
Just a reminder on 'the USA could send three teams and win all the medals ...'
The last time the USA didn't send all their veterans to an event was 2006 WC and it was the last time they came home without the Gold. It doesn't take a lot to lose in a single elimination tournament game - a hot player and a slightly off night can derail any team.
 
Just a reminder on 'the USA could send three teams and win all the medals ...'
The last time the USA didn't send all their veterans to an event was 2006 WC and it was the last time they came home without the Gold. It doesn't take a lot to lose in a single elimination tournament game - a hot player and a slightly off night can derail any team.

Agree. That’s just silly and completely wrong. USA wins World Cup and Olympic gold consistently because USA BB selects players who can handle the pressure of playing and winning in those environments.
 
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I know a few of you also follow the U.S. National Women's Soccer Team that just announced their 18-person roster on Wednesday. That announcement was followed very closely because the roster size is down from 23 in the World Cup and the preliminary matches have only two days between them. I've cut and pasted an article from the excellent soccer writer, Dan Lauletta on two personnel decisions that also involved inuries:

"Injuries, as they often do, also played into roster decisions. Forward Tobin Heath was injured playing for Manchester United in January and has not played in a competitive match since. Middie Julie Ertz was injured in mid-May and also has yet to play since. Both were included on the roster, which brings up unpleasant memories from 2016. Megan Rapinoe had torn her ACL in December 2015 and (then Coach/Manager Jill) Ellis took her to the Olympics despite no game action in between. After not being able to even play in the group stage, Rapinoe made a brief appearance in the quarterfinal, a game Ellis badly mismanaged that ended in defeat (on penalty kicks).

"Ertz and Heath still have two games ahead of the Olympics to get some base back into them, but with a short roster and tight schedules, there is a lot riding on the pair being healthy enough to withstand the rigors of the event."

U.S. Coach Vlatko Andonovski, who makes the personnel decisions, decided to bring not one, but two, of the starters from the World Cup, despite the fact that U.S. Soccer -- like basketball -- has depth galore. BTW, Coach A. named 4 alternates, which include one at each position.

The only official public comments on Nneka's omission (from Coach Staley) have mentioned her physical condition. No one knows the true extent of her (or DT's) injury -- or those of Ertz and Heath -- but U.S. Soccer is rolling the dice twice on its vets. Hoops split the difference (unless the Nneka decision was based on more than health).
 
Just a reminder on 'the USA could send three teams and win all the medals ...'
The last time the USA didn't send all their veterans to an event was 2006 WC and it was the last time they came home without the Gold. It doesn't take a lot to lose in a single elimination tournament game - a hot player and a slightly off night can derail any team.
Unfortunately this is part of the problem. There is a trend of thought that regardless of who the USA picks for the team it is not going to make a difference-USA will get gold. This fosters a lack of accountability from USA basketball in the selection process. When Syklar Diggins was cut USA basketball met with her to explain where she fell short. The 2016 omission of Parker was justifiable in simple basketball terms, i.e. there were better players at the position (Stewie and EDD) for the basketball things this team was trying to do: AKA @meyers7 "pure" basketball explanation. In 2016 there was also a player (Catch) who was willing to take a lesser role. This lack of accountability by USA basketball created a void with people creating their own explanations citing unnamed teammates and anonymous sources. In search of an explanation Geno and the personality of Parker became the low hanging fruit for the lazy to harvest-neither of which should have had anything to do with the omission of Parker in 2016. Parker didn't suddenly have a personality transplant in 2016 and Geno had won gold with Parker being very productive in 2012.

Today there is still lack of accountability by USA basketball and the lazy have turned on Dawn. Neka has been a solid citizen so there is not much for the lazy to harvest with regards to her personality. But the lazy is never easily deterred so guilt by association (teammate of Parker and Amanda Zahui B-who had the nerve to push Pheesa) will have to suffice. The lazy have also determined there has to a UCONN angle to the omission of Neka-there isn't.
It appears from both Derek Fisher and Dawn's statements that there might have been some "miscalculation or miscommunication " on when Neka would be fully heathy that may have factored into the decision to exclude her. If that was truly the case that explanation should be coming from USA basketball not Dawn. Saying you miscalculated or miscommunicated will never fully satisfy the lazy but it does demonstrate some level of accountability which USA basketball is severely lacking.

Inquiry for USA basketball and USA basketball only: Please provide a basketball explanation as to why Ariel Atkins is on my 2020 Olympic team and Neka is not.
 
@CocoHusky I think you hit the nail on the head. USA Basketball refuses to provide any explanations in depth on the record (which is probably to be expected), but then reporters aren't doing the follow up required (or more accurately, given the resources required to do the followup) to find the true story. If a player of Candace Parker or Nneka's caliber were left off the men's team, there'd be multiple stories quoting "people close to the selection process" or "people familiar with USA Basketball's thinking." Instead, you're left with a lot of unsubstantiated theories that always go back to personality-driven drama. I remember when Candace was left off, people were theorizing it was because she hadn't demonstrated the same level of "commitment" to USA Basketball as others. While I always thought that theory was weak, it certainly could not be applied to Nneka--who was legit one of 8 players "cored" by USA basketball for the team. I do think, as CoCo said, there are legitimate basketball-related reasons for the formation of a team, and that despite their immense talents, Candace and Nneka's skill set did not meet the most pressing needs of the team.

That being said Coco, not sure the question is on Atkins OVER Nneka, per say (Collier over Nneka is more similar from a basketball perspective.) I think the Atkins selection makes a ton of sense. She's not only having an incredible WNBA season on offense (18ppg, on 45% FG shooting and 44% 3-pt shooting), but she is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. And minus Jewell Loyd, none of the other guards on the roster (Bird, Taurasi, Diggins, Gray) are exactly known for their defense, to put it kindly. At minimum, Atkins can play a "3 and D" role for the team.
 
Inquiry for USA basketball and USA basketball only: Please provide a basketball explanation as to why Ariel Atkins is on my 2020 Olympic team and Neka is not.
From a pure basketball perspective, I'd say USA has the frontcourt covered. Stewart/Griner/Fowles/Charles/Wilson/Collier. The backcourt positions are covered by 2 players at the end of their careers (and one coming off an injury). If I was going to take an extra player (12th?) I'd take a guard for cover.

I don't think Atkins has "Nkeka's place". If anyone does, I'd say Collier does.
 
@CocoHusky------------------------------------------- And minus Jewell Loyd, none of the other guards on the roster (Bird, Taurasi, Diggins, Gray) are exactly known for their defense, to put it kindly. At minimum, Atkins can play a "3 and D" role for the team.
Your post reflects a commonly held ignorant perspective on defense. Which quickness equals defensivie abilitiy. Now I would agree that Bird and Taurasi are not very good defenders at this stage of their games. Diggins is not considered a good defender but she is much better than either of the other two. Gray on the other hand is a good defender and does not deserve your "to put it kindly " remark. Your assumption is probably based on her size alone.
 
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