Non-UConn Recruiting Thread

[DEpup]

Notre Dame and I think maybe Baylor if he starts stealing her TX recruits.

 

[Adriacus]

Notre Dame and I think maybe Baylor if he starts stealing her TX recruits.

You would be surprised how infrequently Baylor & UT go “head to head” as the finalists for recruits [that could change with a different talent evaluator]. Baylor heavily recruits Louisiana & Arkansas & West [Colorado, California] and UT doesn’t. UT recruits much more heavily on the East Coast & in Canada than Baylor. Baylor has heavy ties to ProSkills, SA Finest, TeamLex, etc. summer teams while UT focuses on CyFair Elite, etc. Baylor has gone head to head more with UConn [Moriah Jefferson, Lauren Cox], Notre Dame [Brianna Turner], and even Arkansas [Jersey Wolfenbarger, Maryam Dauda] than against UT in recent recruiting cycles. There is some overlap [Baylor got Didi Richards who previously committed to UT, Baylor got Queen Egbo in head to head, UT got Rory Harmon after Baylor took Jaden Owens as a transfer, UT got Charli Collier (Baylor not a Finalist)]. Coach Mulkey and Coach Aston both have very particular “player profiles” they seek and those profiles do not overlap substantially [in practice]. Maybe it will change with Vic. But Baylor and ATM generally weren’t fighting over the same recruits when Vic was there with Blair.

 

[JonathanXIV]

Notre Dame and I think maybe Baylor if he starts stealing her TX recruits.

I'd love to see it, but I don't see Texas supplanting Baylor anytime soon.

 

[Mdoggie]

Notre Dame and I think maybe Baylor if he starts stealing her TX recruits.

Don’t count ND out just yet

 

[southie]

You would be surprised how infrequently Baylor & UT go “head to head” as the finalists for recruits [that could change with a different talent evaluator]. Baylor heavily recruits Louisiana & Arkansas & West [Colorado, California] and UT doesn’t. UT recruits much more heavily on the East Coast & in Canada than Baylor. Baylor has heavy ties to ProSkills, SA Finest, TeamLex, etc. summer teams while UT focuses on CyFair Elite, etc. Baylor has gone head to head more with UConn [Moriah Jefferson, Lauren Cox], Notre Dame [Brianna Turner], and even Arkansas [Jersey Wolfenbarger, Maryam Dauda] than against UT in recent recruiting cycles. There is some overlap [Baylor got Didi Richards who previously committed to UT, Baylor got Queen Egbo in head to head, UT got Rory Harmon after Baylor took Jaden Owens as a transfer, UT got Charli Collier (Baylor not a Finalist)]. Coach Mulkey and Coach Aston both have very particular “player profiles” they seek and those profiles do not overlap substantially [in practice]. Maybe it will change with Vic. But Baylor and ATM generally weren’t fighting over the same recruits when Vic was there with Blair.

That's just completely inaccurate. Texas just signed a player for 2020 from California, signed Destiny Littleton out of Cali 4 years go, have Karisma Oritz from Caifornia on the current roster, and recruited Haley Jones heavily. We've had a couple players on the roster under Aston from Colorado; we also lost out on Ashten Prechtel from Colorado (to Stanford). Aston recruited several players out of Arkansas (her home state) like Elauna Eaton and Sash Goforth, even though she didn't sign them.

But, yeah, Texas doesn't recruit out West and Arkansas . . .

 

[Adriacus]

That's just completely inaccurate. Texas just signed a player for 2020 from California, signed Destiny Littleton out of Cali 4 years go, have Karisma Oritz from Caifornia on the current roster, and recruited Haley Jones heavily. We've had a couple players on the roster under Aston from Colorado; we also lost out on Ashten Prechtel from Colorado (to Stanford). Aston recruited several players out of Arkansas (her home state) like Elauna Eaton and Sash Goforth, even though she didn't sign them.

But, yeah, Texas doesn't recruit out West and Arkansas . . .

Name the last UT player from California, Colorado, or Arkansas that was even 2nd Team All Big 12. Signing 2nd Tier [or overrated] players is not the same as recruiting & landing the Top Tier players. Littleton? How is that going? Want to then claim R. Boothe as Florida recruiting prowess?

R. Allison, J. Madden, M. Jones, etc. Actual elite recruits who actually became All Big 12. Or go to Georgia and Florida for Chandler, Mompremier, Prince, Cave, Johnson, etc. for actual elite recruits who actually became All Big 12.

Signing the JV recruits or calling the Elite recruits is not the same as going head to head to sign top recruits.

 

[southie]

Name the last UT player from California, Colorado, or Arkansas that was even 2nd Team All Big 12. Signing 2nd Tier [or overrated] players is not the same as recruiting & landing the Top Tier players. Littleton? How is that going? Want to then claim R. Boothe as Florida recruiting prowess?

R. Allison, J. Madden, M. Jones, etc. Actual elite recruits who actually became All Big 12. Or go to Georgia and Florida for Chandler, Mompremier, Prince, Cave, Johnson, etc. for actual elite recruits who actually became All Big 12.

Signing the JV recruits or calling the Elite recruits is not the same as going head to head to sign top recruits.

Their success in college was not included in your original post, nor was the "level" of recruit; nothing had been said about recruiting Florida or Georgia, either. So, instead of just admitting you were wrong, you are now introducing completely new topics to your argument in order to avoid looking completely clueless. Keep pretending you know more about Texas basketball and recruiting than I do.


You really want to know how signing Destiny Littleton out of California turned out for Texas? A whole helluva lot better than how Baylor signing Aquira DeCosta out of California turned out . . .

 

[DefenseBB]

Name the last UT player from California, Colorado, or Arkansas that was even 2nd Team All Big 12. Signing 2nd Tier [or overrated] players is not the same as recruiting & landing the Top Tier players. Littleton? How is that going? Want to then claim R. Boothe as Florida recruiting prowess?

R. Allison, J. Madden, M. Jones, etc. Actual elite recruits who actually became All Big 12. Or go to Georgia and Florida for Chandler, Mompremier, Prince, Cave, Johnson, etc. for actual elite recruits who actually became All Big 12.

Signing the JV recruits or calling the Elite recruits is not the same as going head to head to sign top recruits.

Wait a minute, both Littleton and Booth were BIG TIME recruits when they were being recruited. They are both "busts" but many schools wanted them.

 

[Adriacus]

Wait a minute, both Littleton and Booth were BIG TIME recruits when they were being recruited. They are both "busts" but many schools wanted them.

That is the point being made.

DEPup Opined: UT replaces Baylor as an elite if Vic steals recruits. My response: Baylor & UT haven’t historically overlapped in recruiting targets. Southie Stalker: UT recruits Cali. My response: it doesn’t recruit Elite players there. Elite in actuality, not Elite in rankings.

Certainly we all know that recruiting rankings are often a joke. Rellah Boothe as a Top 3 recruit?
Good Recruiting doesn’t simply entail landing the players you seek but also knowing which players to seek [talent, fit, behavior, drive]. Every top program has landed a recruit that hasn’t “planned out”. Every top program has landed a “lesser” ranked recruit that became a great player. UT is the UberQueen of landing UnderPerforming “Top” recruits. Other than Ariel Atkins can you name one UT recruit that her performance for UT matched her ranking?

So........UT won’t replace Baylor as the Elite program by stealing recruits because they are too busy pursuing other recruits who won’t perform at their ranking level. Predicting now that UT’s 2021 recruits’ play won’t match their recruiting ranking.

 

[southie]

That is the point being made.

DEPup Opined: UT replaces Baylor as an elite if Vic steals recruits. My response: Baylor & UT haven’t historically overlapped in recruiting targets. Southie Stalker: UT recruits Cali. My response: it doesn’t recruit Elite players there. Elite in actuality, not Elite in rankings.

I just love it when posters resort to juvenile name-calling and insults after they get called out for posting false statements about other schools.

Remind us all which "elite" recruits out of California high schools signed with Baylor and panned out, and others out of the Western states where you proclaimed Baylor as successful. We all know that Aquira Decosta out of California was a huge miss at Baylor, regardless of the reasons.

 

[southie]

Good Recruiting doesn’t simply entail landing the players you seek but also knowing which players to seek [talent, fit, behavior, drive]. Every top program has landed a recruit that hasn’t “planned out”. Every top program has landed a “lesser” ranked recruit that became a great player. T is the UberQueen of landing UnderPerforming “Top” recruits. Other than Ariel Atkins can you name one UT recruit that her performance for UT matched her ranking?

You post more about Texas and Vic on this board than about your own team; you seem very insecure.

Brooke McCarty is the answer you are looking for. She was even voted Big 12 POY one season. Don't let the facts slap you in the ass.

 

[Adriacus]

Melissa Jones: Colorado. AP All American. 2 time All Big 12. Big 12 Sixth [wo]Man of the Year.
Sheila Lambert: California. AP All American. ALL Big 12. WNBA 1st Round Draft Pick.

need more?

 

[southie]

Melissa Jones: Colorado. AP All American. 2 time All Big 12. Big 12 Sixth [wo]Man of the Year.
Sheila Lambert: California. AP All American. ALL Big 12. WNBA 1st Round Draft Pick.

need more?

I do need more.

Lambert was not signed out of high school (JUCO), which I specifically noted in my post. So, zero out of California high schools, right, as Lambert is from Seattle, Washington, not California.

Hilarious that you had to go back almost 20 years to even find a player with West coast roots who had success at Baylor. But, Baylor has had so much success (according to you) with recruits out of California that you FAILED to name one.

 

[Adriacus]

Lauren Cox has a message for your whiny bitterness.....

 

[CocoHusky]

Lauren Cox has a message for your whiny bitterness.....View attachment 57715

Nah''''''! Is that we are doing now flossing conference rings ? Somebody is bound to point out that had she accepted the challenge of playing at UCONN she might legit have 4 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP rings.

To parahrase that great American Poet-Lauryn Hill.

"Lauren baby use your head"

 

[sivad40]

Nah''''''! Is that we are doing now flossing conference rings ? Somebody is bound to point out that had she accepted the challenge of playing at UCONN she might legit have 4 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP rings.

To parahrase that great American Poet-Lauryn Hill.

"Lauren baby use your head"

Are you saying that UConn needed her to win 4 NCs because they didn't win any during her time at Baylor. Her senior season was cancelled and who knows how that one would've played out.

 

[CocoHusky]

Are you saying that UConn needed her to win 4 NCs because they didn't win any during her time at Baylor. Her senior season was cancelled and who knows how that one would've played out.

No. I'm saying if Lauren had come to UCONN with Crystal Dangerfield UCONN would have won more than the 1 (possibly 2) Championships that Baylor won while Lauren was there. Think about it, Cox would have been playing alongside Azura Stevens Gabby Williams and Napheesa as a Freshman. Additionally 4 years of Cox in the post would have meant that Gabby, Napheesa, and Megan could play their more natural position of wing. KLS could play in the backcourt. Cox would also overlap with ONO for two years. Cox was a big miss for UCONN-pun intended.

 

[Mdoggie]

Flossing conference rings? I got a bunch of AYSO trophies which I am equally proud! You go LC!! Lol

 

[SECbbfan24]

Hopefully this thread is axed soon so we can start over

 

[JonathanXIV]

Lauren Cox has a message for your whiny bitterness.....View attachment 57715

You gotta know that after someone has won 4 National Championship rings, you can't be flaunting conference championships (especially in a conference with virtually no competition). Just not a good look.

 

[Go/huskies]

No. I'm saying if Lauren had come to UCONN with Crystal Dangerfield UCONN would have won more than the 1 (possibly 2) Championships that Baylor won while Lauren was there. Think about it, Cox would have been playing alongside Azura Stevens Gabby Williams and Napheesa as a Freshman. Additionally 4 years of Cox in the post would have meant that Gabby, Napheesa, and Megan could play their more natural position of wing. KLS could play in the backcourt. Cox would also overlap with ONO for two years. Cox was a big miss for UCONN-pun intended.

I believe things happen for a reason, Pheesa and or Gabby probably would’ve have made All America with 6’4 freshman Lauren Cox on the roster I’m guessing she would have been a starter at some point, Lauren also had a tendency to play a little dirty at times. DeShields was a bigger miss in my opinion.

 

[Mdoggie]

I believe things happen for a reason, Pheesa and or Gabby probably would’ve have made All America with 6’4 freshman Lauren Cox on the roster I’m guessing she would have been a starter at some point, Lauren also had a tendency to play a little dirty at times. DeShields was a bigger miss in my opinion.

I agree DeSheilds really missed when she didn’t choose UConn, but things worked out for her.

 

[DEpup]

I agree that this thread now has gotten off track but one could argue ot was KLS and Phee's class that started the front court struggles which made it less likely UConn could win it all. There was a F in that class that was a total bust (cant even remember her name) and then the real knife was Crystal's class. Poor little thing needed a true PF to balance her class after the bust the previous year. Lauren could have been that person, Camara could have been healthier, Azure could have been smarter and stayed to learn how to play frontcourt, or Shepherd could have had the confidence to choose UConn. I believe all scenarios would have led to a few championships at least.

 

[ABCDFE]

No. I'm saying if Lauren had come to UCONN with Crystal Dangerfield UCONN would have won more than the 1 (possibly 2) Championships that Baylor won while Lauren was there. Think about it, Cox would have been playing alongside Azura Stevens Gabby Williams and Napheesa as a Freshman. Additionally 4 years of Cox in the post would have meant that Gabby, Napheesa, and Megan could play their more natural position of wing. KLS could play in the backcourt. Cox would also overlap with ONO for two years. Cox was a big miss for UCONN-pun intended.

Spot on

 

[donalddoowop]

I believe things happen for a reason, Pheesa and or Gabby probably would’ve have made All America with 6’4 freshman Lauren Cox on the roster I’m guessing she would have been a starter at some point, Lauren also had a tendency to play a little dirty at times. DeShields was a bigger miss in my opinion.

Seeing how Collier struggled playing alongside Stevens, I don't see how she would have not struggled playing with Cox.

 

[DEpup]

Seeing how Collier struggled playing alongside Stevens, I don't see how she would have not struggled playing with Cox.

But she doesn't struggle alongside Big Syl in the wnba. I think the struggle with Azure was that Azure didn't know how to play in the post yet so Collier was lect trying to do it all. A little more time together and they would have been fine.

 

[CocoHusky]

Seeing how Collier struggled playing alongside Stevens, I don't see how she would have not struggled playing with Cox.

I think there are many reasons why it would have been different. For starters Cox is a natural big where as Napheesa, Gabby & Azura are more suited for the wing. Napheesa struggled with Azura because both like the same spot on the floor. As a sophomore Napheesa had one of the most productive season in UCONN history and was named AA. Any Coach would have been considered foolish who might have considered removing her from the starting line up as many on the BY poll had suggested. Cox has always had a big (Mompremier, Brown, Smith) along side her at Baylor and still found a way to be productive. Finally Azura's 3 ball after being scorching hot in the summer all but abandoned her by the time she was eligible to play. Cox by contrast has been a steady (not great) 3 Point shooter 32% for her career. In short Cox as a big would have allowed all the other UCONN wing sized players to be better versions of themselves. @Go/huskies has a valid point-Cox being on the roster would have likely meant that both Gabby and Napheesa would not have made AA. Either player would have gladly traded AA status for another Championship or two.

 

[donalddoowop]

I think there are many reasons why it would have been different. For starters Cox is a natural big where as Napheesa, Gabby & Azura are more suited for the wing. Napheesa struggled with Azura because both like the same spot on the floor. As a sophomore Napheesa had one of the most productive season in UCONN history and was named AA. Any Coach would have been considered foolish who might have considered removing her from the starting line up as many on the BY poll had suggested. Cox has always had a big (Mompremier, Brown, Smith) along side her at Baylor and still found a way to be productive. Finally Azura's 3 ball after being scorching hot in the summer all but abandoned her by the time she was eligible to play. Cox by contrast has been a steady (not great) 3 Point shooter 32% for her career. In short Cox as a big would have allowed all the other UCONN wing sized players to be better versions of themselves. @Go/huskies has a valid point-Cox being on the roster would have likely meant that both Gabby and Napheesa would not have made AA. Either player would have gladly traded AA status for another Championship or two.

He/she said they would have made AA.

 

[CocoHusky]

He/she said they would have made AA.

@Go/huskies said.

I believe things happen for a reason, Pheesa and or Gabby probably would’ve have made All America with 6’4 freshman Lauren Cox on the roster I’m guessing she would have been a starter at some point, Lauren also had a tendency to play a little dirty at times. DeShields was a bigger miss in my opinion.

I'm agreeing with the or part of his statement. I don't think both would have made AA. KLS was on the team and Azura Stevens and Kia Nurse were playing near AA level as well.

 

[JDuro]