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visitingcock said:
Not really an A list of programs, but it's getting late in the recruiting season. Might be iinteresting to see if this develops into a Vic vs. MSState battle.
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Depends on how you define "A-list." A&M has won as many championships in the past decade as South Carolina,*** and Miss St. has been to two twice as many title games as South Carolina has. So I guess Dawn & co. are not A listers either? A&M and Miss St. have been to more title games in the past decade than have Duke, Oregon, Stanford, or Tennessee. Unless you define A-list to be an exclusive group of Baylor, UConn, and Notre Dame, I'd say she's looking at many of the top programs in the country.

***I do not count a "consensus national champions[hips]," which Gamecock boosters have apparently awarded themselves on the South Carolina wikipedia page.
 
I have watched K. Hunter play on at least a dozen occasions. She is a good player but not an Elite (top tier) Talent. The best way to describe her game is that she is good at many things but not really great at any particular. Athleticism is a plus but skills are behind others. Texas recruiting her is a comment on the dearth of talent on the current roster. Collier and Taylor are much more talented than the remaining roster. She would have a hard time making the 7-8 player rotations at UConn, Baylor, Notre Dame or South Carolina.
 
Kyndall Hunter is ranked by just about every recruiting site as a Top 20-25 player nationally for the class of 2021, I believe; perhaps higher. Anonymous message board posters trying to knock her down have their own agenda for doing so.

In the end, I think it comes down to Arizona (although they seem to be filling up quickly), Texas A&M (although they have picked up 3 transfer guards in the offseason), Texas, Southern Cal, and LSU.

 
Vic has made 3 national championship games in the last decade. Behind only Geno and Muffet.

Vic has done it at 2 different campuses (one of them without McCowan). If he makes it at Texas, name me another coach who's ever *made* it at 3 different campuses.

Dude is A-list, case closed.
 
SimpleDawg said:
Vic has made 3 national championship games in the last decade. Behind only Geno and Muffet.

Vic has done it at 2 different campuses (one of them without McCowan). If he makes it at Texas, name me another coach who's ever *made* it at 3 different campuses.

Dude is A-list, case closed.
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Very good argument.
 
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SimpleDawg said:
Vic has made 3 national championship games in the last decade. Behind only Geno and Muffet.

Vic has done it at 2 different campuses (one of them without McCowan). If he makes it at Texas, name me another coach who's ever *made* it at 3 different campuses.

Dude is A-list, case closed.
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Kind of weird to claim Texas A&M's achievements, but Vic is a very good coach.
 
SimpleDawg said:
Vic has made 3 national championship games in the last decade. Behind only Geno and Muffet.

Vic has done it at 2 different campuses (one of them without McCowan). If he makes it at Texas, name me another coach who's ever *made* it at 3 different campuses.

Dude is A-list, case closed.
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I see you included his assistant coach stint at Texas A&M as a national championship appearance. Using your logic, Niele Ivey already has national championship as a coach (two if I include her one as a player), Jeff Walz has one and Nikki McCrray-Penson has one as well.
 
SimpleDawg said:
Vic has made 3 national championship games in the last decade. Behind only Geno and Muffet.

Vic has done it at 2 different campuses (one of them without McCowan). If he makes it at Texas, name me another coach who's ever *made* it at 3 different campuses.

Dude is A-list, case closed.
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C. Viv Stringer made it to the Final Four on three different campuses. Cheyney State (Runner Up), Iowa (F4), and Rutgers (RU).That’s the first example that comes to mind.
 
sivad40 said:
I see you included his assistant coach stint at Texas A&M as a national championship appearance. Using your logic, Niele Ivey already has national championship as a coach (two if I include her one as a player), Jeff Walz has one and Nikki McCrray-Penson has one as well.
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Don't get bogged down. I'm just saying he has a championship appearance as a head coach and an assistant coach. Jeff Walz is the only other one you named to have that. McCray doesn't have that obviously. I'm not saying his Texas A&M title counts officially as a title he won as a head coach.
 
Under that line of reasoning, the University of Saint Joseph in West Hartford is an Elite Program in Men’s BB.

Maybe there are several considerations when determining which programs are Elite.
 
TheFarmFan said:
Depends on how you define "A-list." A&M has won as many championships in the past decade as South Carolina,*** and Miss St. has been to two twice as many title games as South Carolina has. So I guess Dawn & co. are not A listers either? A&M and Miss St. have been to more title games in the past decade than have Duke, Oregon, Stanford, or Tennessee. Unless you define A-list to be an exclusive group of Baylor, UConn, and Notre Dame, I'd say she's looking at many of the top programs in the country.

***I do not count a "consensus national champions[hips]," which Gamecock boosters have apparently awarded themselves on the South Carolina wikipedia page.
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The Ms. State had reached an A-list quality program with Vic. Not sure they ever reached A-level status in the minds of recruits, but Vic won with what he had.Their current status with a new coach drops them from the A-list (at least temporarily). She could prove me wrong

Tx A&M won one at the beginning of the decade but has fallen since that time. Still a GOOD program but it has been a while since they have won even an SEC regular season championship or tournament much less made an NCAA run. B-level program at this time.

Why did you mention Stanford? They aren't on her list. Did NC State's logo confuse you?

And no, Duke and Tennessee are not A-list programs at this Time. Tennessee is an historical blueblood but not A-list. Stanford? Still there. Oregon is, at least temporarily, on the A-list for recruits. You didn't list Maryland. The haven't fallen much

It's up to you if you want to consider Dawn's program a B-list program. Go ahead. I don't think recruits believe that to be so, but have at it if you want.
 
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SimpleDawg said:
Vic has made 3 national championship games in the last decade. Behind only Geno and Muffet.

Vic has done it at 2 different campuses (one of them without McCowan). If he makes it at Texas, name me another coach who's ever *made* it at 3 different campuses.

Dude is A-list, case closed.
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Yes he is, but his program is not A-level - YET
 
visitingcock said:
The Ms. State had reached an A-list quality program with Vic. Not sure they ever reached A-level status in the minds of recruits, but Vic won with what he had.Their current status with a new coach drops them from the A-list (at least temporarily). She could prove me wrong

Tx A&M won one at the beginning of the decade but has fallen since that time. Still a GOOD program but it has been a while since they have won even an SEC regular season championship or tournament much less made an NCAA run. B-level program at this time.

Why did you mention Stanford? They aren't on her list. Did NC State's logo confuse you?

And no, Duke and Tennessee are not A-list programs at this Time. Tennessee is an historical blueblood but not A-list. Stanford? Still there. Oregon is, at least temporarily, on the A-list for recruits. You didn't list Maryland. The haven't fallen much

It's up to you if you want to consider Dawn's program a B-list program. Go ahead. I don't think recruits believe that to be so, but have at it if you want.
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That was a Hall of Very Good type final recruiting list.

No UConn, Baylor, Notre Dame, Oregon, Stanford, Louisville, Maryland, or South Carolina.

Miss State is certainly a top tier school though until proven otherwise. They should be really good this season. I might make them the SEC favorite when it is time to predict. If there is a time to predict.
 
visitingcock said:
Why did you mention Stanford? They aren't on her list. Did NC State's logo confuse you?
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Thanks, you nailed it! I only got my BA from Stanford, so I still struggle with basic cognitive functions like recognizing my own team's logo. Thanks for setting me straight.

visitingcock said:
It's up to you if you want to consider Dawn's program a B-list program. Go ahead. I don't think recruits believe that to be so, but have at it if you want.
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What I think is that fans of South Carolina do the program a disservice by thinking that being a Gamecock warrants being cocky, too. What I read between the lines of your post was that she's not being recruited by South Carolina, and therefore the rest are mostly forgettable also-rans. Trashing recruits not targeting your program -- and implicitly, the programs they are targeting -- doesn't win anyone over to your side. It just looks petty.

Tara has been around enough long enough to have defeated Dawn (as a player) on the way to both championships. Geno won his first -- of eleven -- the year after Dawn graduated college. Geno and Tara don't feel the need to call out which programs are "A-list" and not, and I don't see many Huskies or Cardinal fans doing the same, either. So I'd say fans of an ascendant program that's just earned its place at the table could take a few cues from those HOFers and their fanbases and focus on themselves if they have nothing nice to say about everybody else.

My two cents. I'll go back to studying the Stanford logo in the hopes of figuring it out by 2021.
 
SimpleDawg said:
Don't get bogged down. I'm just saying he has a championship appearance as a head coach and an assistant coach. Jeff Walz is the only other one you named to have that. McCray doesn't have that obviously. I'm not saying his Texas A&M title counts officially as a title he won as a head coach.
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You said as a coach in an attempt to blend the national championships appearances. McCray was an assistant coach for South Carolina the year they won a national championship.

I don't have any issues with the South Carolina fan doing what he did because happens all the time on this board. When Lauren Betts made her finals list, posters cherry picked which schools they thought should have been on the list and which shouldn't have been on there.
 
SimpleDawg said:
Vic has made 3 national championship games in the last decade. Behind only Geno and Muffet.

Vic has done it at 2 different campuses (one of them without McCowan). If he makes it at Texas, name me another coach who's ever *made* it at 3 different campuses.

Dude is A-list, case closed.
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Dude, NO WAY, you can't count what he did under Gary Blair as an assistant, unless you want to bring his SFA record into play where he was abysmal. Truth is we don't know how good he really is yet as his reloading after McCown/Vivians squad at MSU is incomplete-it looked sort of promising but it's an incomplete. Let's see how he handles the Big12 and more importantly Kim and her monster program before we go all googly eyes with him as an "A" lister.
 
Gamecockfan77 said:
That was a Hall of Very Good type final recruiting list.

No UConn, Baylor, Notre Dame, Oregon, Stanford, Louisville, Maryland, or South Carolina.

Miss State is certainly a top tier school though until proven otherwise. They should be really good this season. I might make them the SEC favorite when it is time to predict. If there is a time to predict.
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Though, let me ask-define really good- Top 10, Top 20, 2nd place in SEC, top 4 in SEC, what is your definition of really good? I see MSU as Top 16 maybe, top 4 in SEC.
 
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DefenseBB said:
Dude, NO WAY, you can't count what he did under Gary Blair as an assistant, unless you want to bring his SFA record into play where he was abysmal. Truth is we don't know how good he really is yet as his reloading after McCown/Vivians squad at MSU is incomplete-it looked sort of promising but it's an incomplete. Let's see how he handles the Big12 and more importantly Kim and her monster program before we go all googly eyes with him as an "A" lister.
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Quick note......Vic was at Sam Houston State University (90-97) not SFA [Blair was at SFA (85-93)]. Only mention because the two schools are in the same conference, the fan bases hate one another, and at that time SFA dominated SHSU in women’s basketball. Blair got to know Vic by kicking his tail twice a year. Your point doesn’t change but the impact is stronger.
 
Lorcan said:
C. Viv Stringer made it to the Final Four on three different campuses. Cheyney State (Runner Up), Iowa (F4), and Rutgers (RU).That’s the first example that comes to mind.
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Wait. I spoke too soon! I found another example who is even more epic!

Marianne Stanley won two titles as a player at Immaculata in the 1973 and 1974 campaigns at the midst of the height of the Mighty Macs. Stanley proceeded to coach Old Dominion to their only national title in 1985. She went to the Elite 8 as an assistant at USC in 1992, before returning to the final four at Stanford as an assistant in 1996. She also was on C Viv’s staff that took Rutgers to their national championship game in 2006. If you think that wasn’t enough, she’s won a WNBA title as an assistant for the Washington Mystics in the WNBA in 2019. That’s Five Final Fours on Four different campuses, Four Titles, and a much better resume than literally anyone out there.
 
Vic is for sure an A-list coach. He left McCray with a top 5 roster at MSU.

McCray is a good coach, if she can win with the elite talent that she currently has then she'll reap the rewards in later classes. Right now, she just needs to show top-25 recruits that she can win the big games. Once that happens, you'll see MSU reappear on those lists again.. but McCray is a phenomenal recruiter so I definitely believe she'll reel in a big fish sooner rather than later regardless of wins.

As far as Texas, I think Vic will eventually build a powerhouse in Austin. No reason Texas shouldn't be a top 5 program year in and year out IMO.
 
SCGamecock said:
Vic is for sure an A-list coach. He left McCray with a top 5 roster at MSU.

McCray is a good coach, if she can win with the elite talent that she currently has then she'll reap the rewards in later classes. Right now, she just needs to show top-25 recruits that she can win the big games. Once that happens, you'll see MSU reappear on those lists again.. but McCray is a phenomenal recruiter so I definitely believe she'll reel in a big fish sooner rather than later regardless of wins.

As far as Texas, I think Vic will eventually build a powerhouse in Austin. No reason Texas shouldn't be a top 5 program year in and year out IMO.
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UConn, Baylor, South Carolina, Notre Dame, Stanford. Whose Texas knocking out of the top 5?
 
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