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A Texas and a Baylor Fan slugging it out on a UCONN board. Very entertaining!
Texas behind on my score card-seems like they always are.

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Adriacus said:
Baylor, like every school that wasn’t UT, avoided Duncanville HS [Atkins’ HS] during the tenure of Cathy Self-Morgan. Morgan made it very clear that other schools were not welcomed to recruit her players if UT was recruiting them. The UIL finally caught up with her illegal recruitment of players to Duncanville, she got forced out, and magically every school is now welcomed to recruit at Duncanville. Turner was previously mentioned.
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Welcome to the BY. You appear to have an almost "insider" knowledge of the Baylor program as it relates to Baylor recruiting targets. What is your connection to that program? I'm asking not because I'm skeptical but because we have posters here pretending to have insider knowledge only to disappear after a few short days.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Are you sure? I seem to recall mutual interest during her recruitment.
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Mutual Interest: yes. Offer: no.
Baylor wanted one post & had Brown rated higher. Thought that they would land Brown. Thus, didn’t offer Jones. In hind sight, Jones had a far superior freshman season.
 
CocoHusky said:
Welcome to the BY. You appear to have an almost "insider" knowledge of the Baylor program as it relates to Baylor recruiting targets. What is your connection to that program? I'm asking not because I'm skeptical but because we have posters here pretending to have insider knowledge only to disappear after a few short days.
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Several long-standing relationships [program, department, younger player development] have become more active after I moved back to the States. Hard work & some good luck have allowed me to help finance women’s sports at many levels. Women's basketball in Texas has trekked a very convoluted route: Wayland Baptist to UT to Tech to Baylor.
 
PoppaBear said:
I do too. Baylor was one of her final four choices.
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I think Jones received the typical “contingent” scholarship offer that most notable recruits get from most top programs......subject to sufficient academic progress, sufficient athletic progress, scholarship availability, outstanding offers, etc. School keeps foot in door, player can promote “offers”. My recollection is that by the time Jones took her Official Visits, none of them were to in-state programs.

As an aside, tracking commitable offers for private school players like Jones is far more difficult since they don’t fall within the parameters/protocols of the THSCA Straight Line Recruiting Initiative.
 
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CocoHusky said:
Welcome to the BY. You appear to have an almost "insider" knowledge of the Baylor program as it relates to Baylor recruiting targets. What is your connection to that program? I'm asking not because I'm skeptical but because we have posters here pretending to have insider knowledge only to disappear after a few short days.
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I've read many of his/her posts and I'm pretty sure they are not a Baylor fan but a fan of the program, if that makes sense. Definitely has an ear to the ground when it comes to AAU programs and players in Texas. Just my humble opinion and observation.
 
Adriacus said:
Baylor pitched Wolfenbarger as a Wing/3. She has a “very highly involved” Mother who wanted to be heavily involved in the ongoing development. That desired “involvement” was an issue. Dauda is seen as capable of playing as a FaceUp 4 or Big 3.
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The juxtaposition of these two comments made me literally lol. Dauda's recruitment runs entirely through her dad. Jersey's mom has been no more involved than any player's mom. Not that she's not a part of it -- she is. But she is not some kind of "outlier" in the process who needed handling.

Baylor wasn't even Jersey's #2 school. Baylor is a great program with a very strong staff. They just didn't click as well with Jersey's as the Arkansas or Oregon staffs. Blaming that on her mom is ... weird.
 
Adriacus said:
Schaefer has never coached a team without Teaira McCowan to a win in the 2nd Round of the NCAA Tourney.
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This is pretty misleading, if technically true. The 2016 team made the Sweet 16. McCowan averaged about 13 min/g for that team (though she was on it). She was hardly what got them past the 2nd round. And the 2020, first McCowan-less team was pretty likely to make the second weekend, as well, until the COVID shutdown. So, your facts are right, but the conclusion you're trying to draw from them is kind of dubious, imo.
 
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Adriacus said:
Schaefer had a nice run with McCowan anchoring the D. Simply not sure he can repeat that level of success. Objectively verifiable data [wins & losses] doesn’t scream predictable results.
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Using objectively verifiable data is helpful, but you need to control for more variables than the absence or addition of Teaira McCowan.
 
Adriacus said:
Baylor, like every school that wasn’t UT, avoided Duncanville HS [Atkins’ HS] during the tenure of Cathy Self-Morgan. Morgan made it very clear that other schools were not welcomed to recruit her players if UT was recruiting them. The UIL finally caught up with her illegal recruitment of players to Duncanville, she got forced out, and magically every school is now welcomed to recruit at Duncanville. Turner was previously mentioned.
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How could this be the case , when Tamika Catchings came from Duncanville ? Zay Greene as well both played under Cathy as well . Did she make exceptions ? Not saying the story is not true just wondering ? I live in Duncanville and she was around for a while . She had power with all the state titles she had won so i can believe if it is true.
 
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MSUFan2003 said:
Using objectively verifiable data is helpful, but you need to control for more variables than the absence or addition of Teaira McCowan.
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Perhaps this is enough sample size. 2 seasons minus big T- Results were not the same is 2017 + 2018 . Why is this flawed ? btw..congrats for removing ole Johnny Reb from your state Flag...thats big!!!
 
WFFL said:
How could this be the case , when Tamika Catchings came from Duncanville ? Zay Greene as well both played under Cathy as well . Did she make exceptions ? Not saying the story is not true just wondering ? I live in Duncanville and she was around for a while . She had power with all the state titles she had won so i can believe if it is true.
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The Lady Vols were already heavily entrenched in recruiting Catchings before she moved to Texas for her Junior year in HS. Self-Morgan was already under investigation and heavy scrutiny when Green committed/signed. That school year is when Deja Kelly transferred into Duncanville [amid cries of recruiting] and Hannah Gusters transferred out of Duncanville [and the resulting storm which lead to the UIL mandated investigation that lead to Self-Morgan’s resignation in lieu of termination and 3 year ban from coaching].
 
Adriacus said:
Baylor, like every school that wasn’t UT, avoided Duncanville HS [Atkins’ HS] during the tenure of Cathy Self-Morgan. Morgan made it very clear that other schools were not welcomed to recruit her players if UT was recruiting them. The UIL finally caught up with her illegal recruitment of players to Duncanville, she got forced out, and magically every school is now welcomed to recruit at Duncanville. Turner was previously mentioned.
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Well, it's obvious that your objective on this board is to paint Texas and its former players in the worst possible light.

Your "story", while entertaining, has so many holes in it that I could drive a semi-truck right through it. And, it's actually completely untrue. Lots of schools have signed players out of Duncanville since Self-Morgan became the head coach. Baylor has not; so, what you should have posted was that Mulkey burned some bridges at Duncanville as that is actually more plausible.

To further refute your lies, here are some Duncanville players who signed with schools other than Texas after Self-Morgan took over:

Julie Lake - Texas Tech
Tamika Catchings - Tennessee
Cierra Johnson - Louisville
Zaay Green - Tennessee
Aniyah Thomas - Kansas
Nyah Green - Louisville
Deja Kelly - North Carolina

I'm sure there are more. You will just have to accept that Mulkey wasn't able to add any of the DHS players to her rosters at Baylor based solely on her own doing.
 
FYI, for a decent explanation of the type of program that Self-Morgan was running at Duncanville, read this article: Investigation into ex-Duncanville coach Cathy Self-Morgan finds 'insufficient credible evidence' of recruiting Duncanville ISD‘s whitewash didn’t work and the UIL dropped the hammer soon thereafter.
Pay particular attention to the PDFs attached at the end of the article [particularly the texts between Self-Morgan and Earl Rooks ( the AAU coach feeding her players) and the quid pro quo/monetary incentives]. Also note that Self-Morgan was UT’s first female scholarship athlete in any sport and unofficially acted as UT’s point person in many areas over the years.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Taylor Jones another Texas prospect Baylor didn't get.
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I don't think Taylor Jones was an "early" offer by Baylor, if she did get one.

But, there have been a lot more "early" offers handed out by Mulkey than one poster wants us to believe; I'm not sure why it even matters when they were offered, or how many were offered. While no coach signs every player they want, in the end, all that matters is if you sign enough of them to help you win.

Off the top of my head, these were players in the state of Texas with "early" offers from Mulkey (can probably add a bunch more from out of state):

Allison Hightower
Recee Caldwell
Odyssey Sims
Brittney Griner
Nneka Ogwumike
Chiney Ogwumike
Brooklyn Pope
Alexis Jones
Kalani Brown (Louisiana)
Alexis Morris
Lauren Cox
Nalyssa Smith
Aquira DeCosta (California)
Nyah Green
Hannah Gusters
Sara Andrews
Adlee Blacklock
Sammie Wagner
 
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Julie Lake - Texas Tech. UT tried but the cultural problems killed that recruitment.
Tamika Catchings - Tennessee. Locked into Lady Vols before arriving at Duncanville.
Cierra Johnson - Louisville. UT passed on her, took Joyner Holmes.
Zaay Green - Tennessee. Contemporaneous with investigation/resignation.
Aniyah Thomas - Kansas. Contemporaneous with investigation/resignation.
Nyah Green - Louisville After investigation/resignation.
Deja Kelly - North Carolina After investigation/resignation.

Any other examples?
 
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Adriacus said:
Julie Lake - Texas Tech. UT tried but the cultural problems killed that recruitment.
Tamika Catchings - Tennessee. Locked into Lady Vols before arriving at Duncanville.
Cierra Johnson - Louisville. UT passed on her, took Joyner Holmes.
Zaay Green - Tennessee. Contemporaneous with investigation/resignation.
Aniyah Thomas - Kansas. Contemporaneous with investigation/resignation.
Nyah Green - Louisville After investigation/resignation.
Deja Kelly - North Carolina After investigation/resignation.

Any other examples?
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Or, you could just say that Muley has had zero success recruiting Duncanville players instead of circumventing the obvious, and blaming Texas for her inability to recruit that school . . .
 
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southie said:
Well, it's obvious that your objective on this board is to paint Texas and its former players in the worst possible light.

Your "story", while entertaining, has so many holes in it that I could drive a semi-truck right through it. And, it's actually completely untrue. Lots of schools have signed players out of Duncanville since Self-Morgan became the head coach. Baylor has not; so, what you should have posted was that Mulkey burned some bridges at Duncanville as that is actually more plausible.

To further refute your lies, here are some Duncanville players who signed with schools other than Texas after Self-Morgan took over:

Julie Lake - Texas Tech
Tamika Catchings - Tennessee
Cierra Johnson - Louisville
Zaay Green - Tennessee
Aniyah Thomas - Kansas
Nyah Green - Louisville
Deja Kelly - North Carolina

I'm sure there are more. You will just have to accept that Mulkey wasn't able to add any of the DHS players to her rosters at Baylor based solely on her own doing.
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Hannah Gusters would have been another Duncanville affiliate but she had to transfer to Irving MacArthur in order to commit to Baylor :?
 
southie said:
Or, you could just say that Muley has had zero success recruiting Duncanville players instead of circumventing the obvious, and blaming Texas for her inability to recruit that school . . .
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WFFL said:
Hannah Gusters would have been another Duncanville affiliate but she had to transfer to Irving MacArthur in order to commit to Baylor :?
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She didn't have to transfer, she wanted to. There was some weird stuff going on in Duncanville at that time. Deja Kelly, I believe, was in the middle of the mess too. I don't know the intimate details but there was definitely something going on that exposed some problems within that school. But other people know way more than me.
 
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PoppaBear said:
Well Cathy Self-Morgan was one of the first ever scholarship wbb basketball players at Texas so the burnt orange roots run very deep.
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I can't argue with those statements. Nor do I have any bone to pick with you. And, I don't think you can argue with my statements below.

There's a former Baylor hoopster named Suzie Oelschlegle, who coaches girls basketbal at MacArthur High School in Irving, TX. She has coached four super-elite girls high school players there -- Odyssey Sims, Alexis Jones, Sarah Andrews, and Hannah Gusters. All of them ended up at Baylor; Texas, nor any WBB college program across the country has been able to put a chink in that armored trail (unless you count the one-year diversion Alexis spent at Duke before transferring to Baylor). 100% of her elite players ended up at Baylor; that dwarfs the percent of the elite Duncanville players who ended up attending Texas.

And, of all the players at Duncanville and MacArthur who might have tried to change highs schools (regardless of the reasons), only one was denied immediately eligibility -- Hannah Gusters -- as her reasons for transferring were deemed purely for athletic reasons.
 
southie said:
I can't argue with those statements. Nor do I have any bone to pick with you. And, I don't think you can argue with my statements below.

There's a former Baylor hoopster named Suzie Oelschlegle, who coaches girls basketbal at MacArthur High School in Irving, TX. She has coached four super-elite girls high school players there -- Odyssey Sims, Alexis Jones, Sarah Andrews, and Hannah Gusters. All of them ended up at Baylor; Texas, nor any WBB college program across the country has been able to put a chink in that armored trail (unless you count the one-year diversion Alexis spent at Duke before transferring to Baylor). 100% of her elite players ended up at Baylor; that dwarfs the percent of the elite Duncanville players who ended up attending Texas.

And, of all the players at Duncanville and MacArthur who might have tried to change highs schools (regardless of the reasons), only one was denied immediately eligibility -- Hannah Gusters -- as her reasons for transferring were deemed purely for athletic reasons.
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Nope. No bone to pick here either. Just pointing out the obvious. If it's not illegal to have some influence because of you're alma mater. Then it should be no surprise that it plays into a players decision making process.
 
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Creature said:
Perhaps this is enough sample size. 2 seasons minus big T- Results were not the same is 2017 + 2018 . Why is this flawed ? btw..congrats for removing ole Johnny Reb from your state Flag...thats big!!!
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Thanks! Removing the flag was long overdue. I'd say that the level of talent in Vic's first few years should be a big consideration.
 
Adriacus said:
Serious and not starting a flame war.

Schaefer was 80-110, 1 winning season, 0 post-seasons in 7 years at SHSU [first HC job]. SHSU is a better job than Gary Blair had at SFASU [same conference] yet Blair created a perennial Top 25 team and Schaefer never had sustained success. At MSU, Schaefer was 62-38 in 3 seasons [1 Post season] before McCowan & 27-6 [2020 season] after McCowan. Good but not overwhelming.

Comment regarding Schaefer in original post was made b/c Horns are again repeatedly publicly claiming that they will now be winning the recruiting battles against Baylor [same as they did when Coach G and Coach Aston arrived]. For the past 12ish years, Baylor has rarely lost recruiting battles on recruits in Texas, Arkansas & Louisiana. The losses stick out: M. Jefferson & C. Williams to UConn, B. Turner to Notre Dame, C. Collier to Texas [not a huge loss b/c Baylor had her and Egbo rated similarly and only planned to take one], N. Ogwumike to Stanford, and Wolfenbarger to Arkansas. Schaefer and Blair never won a recruiting battle on a major recruit against Baylor at TAMU, not seeing a reason that will change.

Schaefer had a nice run with McCowan anchoring the D. Simply not sure he can repeat that level of success. Objectively verifiable data [wins & losses] doesn’t scream predictable results.
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Let's see here.

Brand new poster emerges out of nowhere ...
... just to unload long-winded arguments about how Schaefer's success at MSU was a fluke ...

Yep, someone's nervous.
 
Plebe said:
Let's see here.

Brand new poster emerges out of nowhere ...
... just to unload long-winded arguments about how Schaefer's success at MSU was a fluke ...

Yep, someone's nervous.
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Things I like most about Schaefer (even before he was hired by Texas):

- Beat Kim Mulkey in the 2017 Regional Final
- Beat Geno Auriemma in the 2017 Final Four
- Beat Jeff Walz in the 2018 Final Four

Did he outcoach those head coaches? That's purely subjective. But, you can't take those wins away from him; he earned them. Can't think of many other active head coaches who own wins over those 3 head coaches (maybe Tara Vandeveer and Dawn Staley) . . .
 
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