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[brasssbonanzaa]

Is it bad that we aren't even mentioned?

I don't think so. If anything, it's good that we're not seen as "left out" in the way the Pac 4 is. It signals the perception that we're on relatively stable ground - which is true.

 

[CTBballfan243]

Well...Forde was right on Arizona, AZ State, and Utah.

Not a very smart move from a business point of view. But then again, no one ever accused athletic directors or college presidents as being the sharpest knives in drawer. There’s zero value of having two teams in the same media market x 2. Especially when 3 of the 4 teams are sub 0.500 in football and are just as bad if not worse than UConn. Athletics could not have been a primary focus of the expansion.

 

[CTBballfan243]

We have no chance here. In listing potential candidates for the ACC, they listed the four Pac schools along with JAMES MADISON AND APPALACHIAN STATE.

We clearly don't have the value to these conferences that we think we do.

The ACC already has the New England and New York markets. No reason to add us. That’s why the B12’s decisions for expansion are puzzling.

 

[Sole]

The eastern schools are in for a lot of travel in the new big 12…also scheduling got to be hard with 16 schools …I like 11 teams in basketball..home and away games with each school

 

[superjohn]

No it's not. Any idiotic writer can specular whatever they want. It has absolutely no bearing on what a conference may or may not be thinking.

To speculate that the ACC would consider James Madison and App State is so absurd, that writer loses any credibility.

It will not happen and it does not speak to anything regarding how the ACC feels about UConn as a candidate for expansion.

This board is the only reason I know Sports Illustrated still exists.

 

[upstater]

Not a very smart move from a business point of view. But then again, no one ever accused athletic directors or college presidents as being the sharpest knives in drawer. There’s zero value of having two teams in the same media market x 2. Especially when 3 of the 4 teams are sub 0.500 in football and are just as bad if not worse than UConn. Athletics could not have been a primary focus of the expansion.

Especially when one of these states has fewer people than Connecticut. I mean, you already have West Virginia's 1m people in your conference, you've split Kansas's 2.9m by 2, and now you split Utah's 3.3m?

One thing about ASU that people might not realize is that it has 74k students, and a huge chunk come from California. Now imagine if fewer students start going to Arizona St. The out of state tuition is responsible for a huge part of their budget. The citizens of Arizona can't support this school by themselves. Only 20% of the population of Arizona has a college degree (Connecticut by comparison is at 40%). I'm looking at these numbers and thinking this is a school ripe for a big regression.

 

[upstater]

The ACC already has the New England and New York markets. No reason to add us. That’s why the B12’s decisions for expansion are puzzling.

Until 2036, they do. But ACCN will cease to exist at that point.

 

[superjohn]

Especially when one of these states has fewer people than Connecticut. I mean, you already have West Virginia's 1m people in your conference, you've split Kansas's 2.9m by 2, and now you split Utah's 3.3m?

One thing about ASU that people might not realize is that it has 74k students, and a huge chunk come from California. Now imagine if fewer students start going to Arizona. The out of state tuition is responsible for a huge part of their budget. The citizens of Arizona can't support this school by themselves. Only 20% of the population of Arizona has a college degree (Connecticut by comparison is at 40%). I'm looking at these numbers and thinking this is a school ripe for a big regression.

At least Kansas has a national program in basketball, they have fans everywhere. Can't say the same for anyone else in the Big 12 except for maybe BYU with the Mormons.

 

[upstater]

???

It's like history doesn't exist any more.

The BE contracted. We've had contraction before.

This isn't new.

The half share thing isn't new either.

Penn State took 7 years to fully vest. They had a half-share. Rutgers took even longer.

People seem to have forgotten their history.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

One thing about ASU that people might not realize is that it has 74k students, and a huge chunk come from California. Now imagine if fewer students start going to Arizona. The out of state tuition is responsible for a huge part of their budget. The citizens of Arizona can't support this school by themselves. Only 20% of the population of Arizona has a college degree (Connecticut by comparison is at 40%). I'm looking at these numbers and thinking this is a school ripe for a big regression.

How many of those students are full time, on the Tempe campus?

Yes, it's an enormous school and yes, a large number of full time, on campus undergrads are from California. They also have a full time campus in LA and an enormous number of part time and full time online students scattered throughout the US and the world.

ASU.EDU

A couple points from the link I attached:

• About 57,000 students are taking classes through ASU Online, compared with about 52,500 last year — an increase of more than 8%.

• Approximately 10,800 International students from 152 countries are enrolled in on-campus and online degree programs, compared with 8,600 last year, about a 25% increase.

 

[superjohn]

???

It's like history doesn't exist any more.

The BE contracted. We've had contraction before.

This isn't new.

The half share thing isn't new either.

Penn State took 7 years to fully vest. They had a half-share. Rutgers took even longer.

People seem to have forgotten their history.

Forgotten their history and are flat out denying history and the things happening right in front of their faces. Jay Bilas twitter is him tweeting about how ESPN never had a role in any of the stuff going on with realignment.

 

[upstater]

How many of those students are full time, on the Tempe campus?

Yes, it's an enormous school and yes, a large number of full time, on campus undergrads are from California. They also have a full time campus in LA and an enormous number of part time and full time online students scattered throughout the US and the world.

ASU.EDU

A couple points from the link I attached:

• About 57,000 students are taking classes through ASU Online, compared with about 52,500 last year — an increase of more than 8%.

• Approximately 10,800 International students from 152 countries are enrolled in on-campus and online degree programs, compared with 8,600 last year, about a 25% increase.

Ah, gotcha. I didn't know any of this. They may not have any worries.

Still, for a state of 7 million, only 20% of the population finishes college.

Conn. has 1 big school, 3.6m residents, 40% finish college. I'd say the advantage for # of students goes to UConn.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Ah, gotcha. I didn't know any of this. They may not have any worries.

Still, for a state of 7 million, only 20% of the population finishes college.

Conn. has 1 big school, 3.6m residents, 40% finish college. I'd say the advantage for # of students goes to UConn.

Without question.

I was more blasting ASU as an institution than anything else. As with a lot of schools I imagine that a serious student can get an education there but (from what I've been told from many colleagues who are on the west coast) it has a bit of a reputation as a glorified community college.

 

[upstater]

Without question.

I was more blasting ASU as an institution than anything else. As with a lot of schools I imagine that a serious student can get an education there but (from what I've been told from many colleagues who are on the west coast) it has a bit of a reputation as a glorified community college.

It's really hard to measure schools against one another unless you do a very deep dive into the metrics, which are not available almost anywhere. And this goes double for state high school systems. Florida public schools are rated incredibly high by some measures. Had a family member with a daughter at one of the highest ranked public high schools in Florida in Jupiter. She was an A+ student down there. When my family member was transferred to Stamford, they settled in Westport and she attended Staples. I know Staples must be a stellar public school, but she was more than a year behind for her class. They had to get her tutors and she worked her butt off. It took her a full 6 months to catch up to the rest of the kids at Staples. You wouldn't know the very different level of school systems unless you did a direct test like this because all the rankings show that Florida has better public schools.

 

[Ha Who]

The ACC already has the New England and New York markets. No reason to add us. That’s why the B12’s decisions for expansion are puzzling.

They have the New York market and Boston market . Their tourney did so well In Brooklyn and no one in Boston cares

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

If that's true then there was some last minute kabuki theater because they apparently publicly rejected a partial deal offer.

I'm sure there's been back and forth on details over the past few months but given how fast things went down this week I would imagine both schools knew they were getting around half a revenue share for starters with annual escalators.

 

[GG]

We have no chance here. In listing potential candidates for the ACC, they listed the four Pac schools along with JAMES MADISON AND APPALACHIAN STATE.

We clearly don't have the value to these conferences that we think we do.

Yeah, that made me chuckle. I just can’t anymore.

 

[GG]

The eastern schools are in for a lot of travel in the new big 12…also scheduling got to be hard with 16 schools …I like 11 teams in basketball..home and away games with each school

What strange about that as I had read that West Virginia was very upset and I have a new East Coast, travel partner and wanted more of an East Coast presence.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

How many of those students are full time, on the Tempe campus?

Yes, it's an enormous school and yes, a large number of full time, on campus undergrads are from California. They also have a full time campus in LA and an enormous number of part time and full time online students scattered throughout the US and the world.

ASU.EDU

A couple points from the link I attached:

• About 57,000 students are taking classes through ASU Online, compared with about 52,500 last year — an increase of more than 8%.

• Approximately 10,800 International students from 152 countries are enrolled in on-campus and online degree programs, compared with 8,600 last year, about a 25% increase.

ASU has 142K total students.
57,588 in Tempe
62,551 online
The rest in other campuses.

ASU Facts | Facts

www.asu.edu

I've been to their campus twice, most recently in January - it is HUGE.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

There’s a risk to the football powers that excluding powerful, private schools like Vanderbilt and Duke (plus, university Presidents do like to rub elbows with them and football coaches may want them for ‘easy’ wins should there be no room for lower-level non-conference games in the future) and large state universities that taxpayers (and politicians) have invested in for generation is that enough folks maybe get upset to pull Congress into it.

 

[Khal Drogo]

ASU’s business schools is considered solid, especially after merging with Thunderbird a few years back.

Agree on the scenery as it’s like Santa Monica without the ocean during the school year. In fact, I’m visiting a friend in Scottsdale in a few weeks (fingers crossed it’s not 115 F) and may have to take a stroll through campus while she’s working.

Don’t forget to wear your UConn national championship shirt

 

[DarthGrumpy]

At least Kansas has a national program in basketball, they have fans everywhere. Can't say the same for anyone else in the Big 12 except for maybe BYU with the Mormons.

The strong a school is academically and perceptually, the higher chance that’s its graduates will spread around the country to seek jobs, settle down, and plant that school’s flag there. Just look at the B1G with NYC, DC, and Atlanta. ND (and Stanford) nationally, etc. Graduates from lower-level schools are likely to stay local. In the expanded XII, that schools with a national footprint are BYU, Kansas and Colorado (may not be good at many sports, but a lot of people want to go to Boulder for college, including my cousin from Amity). ASU is an outlier due to its recruiting pool from SoCal. That’s it. If BY doesn’t want XII to get raised in 10 years, he needs a lager footprint. UConn would give him that.

 

[djct1999]

 

[Jimdish255]

No it's not. Any idiotic writer can specular whatever they want. It has absolutely no bearing on what a conference may or may not be thinking.

To speculate that the ACC would consider James Madison and App State is so absurd, that writer loses any credibility.

It will not happen and it does not speak to anything regarding how the ACC feels about UConn as a candidate for expansion.

You think University Presidents were immune to an avalanche of negative media about UConn 2 weeks ago then our name not even being mentioned over thae past week? It just went dark as if we didn't exist. They probably would never admit it but I'm not so sure.

 

[upstater]

There’s a risk to the football powers that excluding powerful, private schools like Vanderbilt and Duke (plus, university Presidents do like to rub elbows with them and football coaches may want them for ‘easy’ wins should there be no room for lower-level non-conference games in the future) and large state universities that taxpayers (and politicians) have invested in for generation is that enough folks maybe get upset to pull Congress into it.

But if the vast majority of states are represented, it would seem not much would happen.

I mean, who has a complaint?

Massachusetts? Connecticut? New York? Maybe California? Anyone else? Nevada? I can't think of any other states who either have schools outside or else care enough to do something. And don't say Wyoming or New Mexico.

 

[hoopsfan22]

One of Utah's senators sued just like ours. That's how they got into the Pac 12 in the first place so it can work.

 

[AllHusky]

You think University Presidents were immune to an avalanche of negative media about UConn 2 weeks ago then our name not even being mentioned over thae past week? It just went dark as if we didn't exist. They probably would never admit it but I'm not so sure.

Lottta that media controlling the narrative going on in this country!!

 

[DarthGrumpy]

One of Utah's senators sued just like ours. That's how they got into the Pac 12 in the first place so it can work.

Same for Virginia Tech going from the old Big E to the ACC years back...

 

[billybud]

This will be unpopular, but...

There may be a disconnect with how Huskie fans view the program and how others view it.

No one disputes the basketball creds of UConn, but football may not be perceived as Huskies fans see it..

Pat Forde's commentary may paint how many see UConn's football.

Lightning in a bottle? That would be an exaggeration. More accurate, perhaps, to say that Connecticut football plugged into a 120-watt bulb from 2007 to ’10. Just enough to illuminate a false beacon of hope that still faintly glows today.

The Huskies went 33–19 in that stretch, tying for the Big East championship twice and finishing fifth in the league twice. They did not win more than nine games in any season and did not win a postseason game more prestigious than the PapaJohns.com Bowl. The signature moments were beating a 2009 Notre Dame team that would fire Charlie Weis nine days later, and sliding into the Fiesta Bowl in ’10 at 8–4, having won a three-way tie for the Big East despite being outgained for the season. UConn lost that Fiesta Bowl 48–20 to Oklahoma, and coach Randy Edsall never even boarded the team flight home—he left for the Maryland job instead.

Yornark talked about betting on basketball value in the future. I am assuming that there is a lot of network input on new conference adds. The bean counters may have not wanted to put their chips on that number.

 

[amory]

This will be unpopular, but...

There may be a disconnect with how Husky fans view the program and how others view it.

No one disputes the basketball creds of UConn, but football may not be perceived as Huskies fans see it..

Pat Forde's commentary may paint how many see UConn's football.

Lightning in a bottle? That would be an exaggeration. More accurate, perhaps, to say that Connecticut football plugged into a 120-watt bulb from 2007 to ’10. Just enough to illuminate a false beacon of hope that still faintly glows today.

The Huskies went 33–19 in that stretch, tying for the Big East championship twice and finishing fifth in the league twice. They did not win more than nine games in any season and did not win a postseason game more prestigious than the PapaJohns.com Bowl. The signature moments were beating a 2009 Notre Dame team that would fire Charlie Weis nine days later, and sliding into the Fiesta Bowl in ’10 at 8–4, having won a three-way tie for the Big East despite being outgained for the season. UConn lost that Fiesta Bowl 48–20 to Oklahoma, and coach Randy Edsall never even boarded the team flight home—he left for the Maryland job instead.

Yornark talked about betting on basketball value in the future. I am assuming that there is a lot of network input on new conference adds. The bean counters may have not wanted to put their chips on that number.

I don’t think UConn football fans have any delusions about the true state of the program or the national perception. But it seems it’s only when UConn enters the discussion that P5 viability becomes solely about football performance.

UConn has a large market, it’s a good school, it’s a great athletic program overall and has the drive, facilities, and personnel to improve in areas where we don’t excel.

It’s a blatant double standard.