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Marty Jackson said:
no offense to Cincy but Uconn and BYU are on a different level in 99 out of 100 stats. Cincy is better at football than CT. That's it. In any other possible metric, not even close.
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Cincy tho is infinitely better than BYU academically. And basketball too. And also recruiting territory.
 
Waquoit said:
It's pretty clear it's going to be UC and UH, isn't it?
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kyleslamb said:
I think it's clear it's going to be *at least* those two, but I think Greg is right that it might take getting to 14 to get anyone to agree on the teams involved. Most likely it will go to 14 or 16.

I also believe Texas and Oklahoma are gone in 2024 regardless of what people say, and that it does make sense if Texas is also interested in finding a landing spot for a surviving conference for fellow state institutions.
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You realize that both schools stand to lose a lot on the field by leaving the Big 12? It's extremely hard to go from being the big fish in the pond for like 100 years to being an outsider. Sure, they will be compensated. But it may never be the sme for either school. To me, both have more of an incentive to make this conference work than to leave. If things change for the better, I am not so sure either would want to leave. That's why this decision is so important. That's why it has to be BYU and UConn. Any other combination, including Cincy, gives them no hope long term. What's that mean? It means OU becoming second tier in the Sec. It means Texas become second tier in its own state. Who would have ever thunk it?
 
It will be four and UConn will be one of them. This is a money grab pure and simple. So why would they leave $50m per year on the table when it's already been negotiated?
 
Matrim55 said:
Cincy's a top 50 research university & has triple our endowment as well. We beat them on undergrad pretty handily, but it's not like they bring nothing to the table academically.

I still think it's absolutely bizarre that the ACC hasn't brought both UConn & Cincy to the table. Bad long-term decision for them for a lot of reasons.
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You have to keep in mind Cincy has some pretty solid corporate support. They keep it quiet, but P&G is about a 10 minute drive from their campus. Probably the biggest media buyer in the world. I've all along thought that if the acc got a network together, they would end up there. I suspect we are about to find out.
 
Matrim55 said:
Cincy's a top 50 research university & has triple our endowment as well. We beat them on undergrad pretty handily, but it's not like they bring nothing to the table academically.

I still think it's absolutely bizarre that the ACC hasn't brought both UConn & Cincy to the table. Bad long-term decision for them for a lot of reasons.
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UConn and Cincy to the ACC makes perfect sense. Think of it as a game of chess with NYC as the king. The B1G has made it's move with Rutgers(such as they are), if they lose UConn to the B12, they're shut out of the NY market entirely, check-mate, game over. Cincy would balance things out and provide a foothold into B1G country. But like I said, makes too much sense, so it'll probably never happen.
 
Glastonhusky said:
UConn and Cincy to the ACC makes perfect sense. Think of it as a game of chess with NYC as the king. The B1G has made it's move with Rutgers(such as they are), if they lose UConn to the B12, they're shut out of the NY market entirely, check-mate, game over. Cincy would balance things out and provide a foothold into B1G country. But like I said, makes too much sense, so it'll probably never happen.
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The ACC isn't shut out of NYC. They have Syracuse. They also just got a great new media deal without UConn. They're not inviting us. They don't need us.
 
Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 9h9 hours ago
@Dillon77 Think of UH as an anchor baby. With UH in the B12 UT has 4 kids to look after. Metaphor...Not disparaging UH, TCU, BU or TT.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 9h9 hours ago
@vegasrobert Wouldn't you also agree that if Abbott and Patrick get involved it means pressure on UT to accept UH?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 9h9 hours ago
@vegasrobert And that another Texas school in the Big 12 means more political ties for UT binding it to the Big 12?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 8h8 hours ago
@vegasrobert The economic impact of Texas leaving the Big 12 to the other Texas schools is real barrier for UT leaving.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 8h8 hours ago
@ctomdog None of the B12 schools really want to elevate a program in their footprint.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 5h5 hours ago
@snoopdoug44 @OmegaSupreme914 I know that in Dec Gee & Boren wanted UH to tie UT to the Big 12.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 5h5 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste If that's really Fenves. UH is in...

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 5h5 hours ago
The UH news is good. Doesn't effect BYU I would think. Hurts UC, Memphis,UCONN & UCF.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 5h5 hours ago
@jjfuller72 @finebaum @BYU @Big12Conference UH not hype. But BYU is safe

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 5h5 hours ago
@TAFKASirThinks The GoR will be extended. Once they get this all sorted out they will turn to that.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 5h5 hours ago
@TAFKASirThinks In all honestly the schools the B12 will add are all football schools.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 5h5 hours ago
@TAFKASirThinks UT wouldn't take it. UH is big news for what it means to the B12. UH is an anchor.
 
MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 4h4 hours ago
On Monday ESPN and Fox will open the B12 television contract for renegotiation and assist in helping choose 2 new members.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 4h4 hours ago
BYU is the clear favorite and there are less issues than there were before. UC/Uconn/Memphis/UH/UCF/CSU also in the mix

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 4h4 hours ago
Bowlsby spoke with Arizona and Arizona State reps the past two days and will be speaking with Colorado and another tomorrow.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 4h4 hours ago
Not sure who the other is but I have my guesses.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 4h4 hours ago
Talks with AZ and AZst went well and there is interest there for the future so it's looking like 2 will be all we add for now

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 3h3 hours ago
Boren tells UT they will support UH addition but LHN needs to become B12N


ME: Imagine the palpable excitement that comes with leaving the likes of Stanford, Cal, Washington and USC to play the likes of Iowa State, Kansas State and West Virginia. I'm telling you. It's very enticing. :D
 
CoastAtlantic said:
MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 4h4 hours ago
On Monday ESPN and Fox will open the B12 television contract for renegotiation and assist in helping choose 2 new members.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 4h4 hours ago
BYU is the clear favorite and there are less issues than there were before. UC/Uconn/Memphis/UH/UCF/CSU also in the mix

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 4h4 hours ago
Bowlsby spoke with Arizona and Arizona State reps the past two days and will be speaking with Colorado and another tomorrow.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 4h4 hours ago
Not sure who the other is but I have my guesses.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 4h4 hours ago
Talks with AZ and AZst went well and there is interest there for the future so it's looking like 2 will be all we add for now

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 3h3 hours ago
Boren tells UT they will support UH addition but LHN needs to become B12N


ME: Imagine the palpable excitement that comes with leaving the likes of Stanford, Cal, Washington and USC to play the likes of Iowa State, Kansas State and West Virginia. I'm telling you. It's very enticing. :D
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The WVU guys are smoking crack if they think Arizona and Arizona state are leaving the PAC-12 for the B12. Arizona is more like CA than like Texas. There is not a chance of that happening. It is more likely that OU and Texas with their state anchors (TTU and OSU) leaving for the P12 than the other way around.
 
WestCoastHusky said:
The WVU guys are smoking crack if they think Arizona and Arizona state are leaving the PAC-12 for the B12. Arizona is more like CA than like Texas. There is not a chance of that happening. It is more likely that OU and Texas with their state anchors (TTU and OSU) leaving for the P12 than the other way around.
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To be fair, they probably are smoking crack
 
West Virginia is not really the south....they border Pennsylvania and were union in the civil conflict. Heck, WVU is 50 miles from Pittsburgh.

But, saying that, meth is more common in the poorer areas of Appalachia because of economics. Like moon shine before it, anyone can cook the stuff up in a back shed in the woods.

Leave the heroin and cocaine to the metro areas that prevail in the northeast. And crack is the metro version of meth.
 
kyleslamb said:
I think it's clear it's going to be *at least* those two, but I think Greg is right that it might take getting to 14 to get anyone to agree on the teams involved. Most likely it will go to 14 or 16.

I also believe Texas and Oklahoma are gone in 2024 regardless of what people say, and that it does make sense if Texas is also interested in finding a landing spot for a surviving conference for fellow state institutions.
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This is my view as well. UT and OU are highly unlikely to concede any extension of future media rights with the upcoming expansion. I think this is their attempt at an amicable split with the rest of the little brothers of The Big 12 in the not so distant future. The addition of 4 schools now allows all of the current members to collect a larger check for the term of the current contract, allows the new schools to build their programs, and keeps the conference at a respectable 10-12 members should a few actually bolt in the near term.
 
Waquoit said:
It's pretty clear it's going to be UC and UH, isn't it?
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No. I don't think UH has 8 votes, unless the non Texas schools get UConn as well. That's Flug's point. Schools like KU won't support Houston. So expansion is dead. There are evidently no two schools that can get the votes. But if UT will support UConn, then schools like KU and ISU will support Houston.
 
If it is a straight cash grab until GOR expiration...they go to four adds...and take $$$ from the Barbershop Quartet to divide among the current 10.

But, if there is the intent to actually build a strong conference, they take the best brands, markets, and athletics and grab the best four now.

And, if the intent is for them to build competitive P5 programs, don't be greedy about their portion of the distribution.
 
don356 said:
You have to keep in mind Cincy has some pretty solid corporate support. They keep it quiet, but P&G is about a 10 minute drive from their campus. Probably the biggest media buyer in the world. I've all along thought that if the acc got a network together, they would end up there. I suspect we are about to find out.
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*Yawn*

Connecticut Fortune 500 Companies

45. United Technologies Corp. (Farmington), $61 billion
46. Aetna (Hartford), $60.3 billion
79. Cigna (Bloomfield), $37.9 billion
150. Xerox (Norwalk), $18.6 billion
152. Hartford Financial Services Group (Hartford), $18.4 billion
256. Stanley Black & Decker (New Britain), $11.2 billion
262. Praxair (Danbury), $10.8 billion
292. Charter Communications (Stamford), $9.8 billion
308. Priceline Group (Norwalk), $9.2 billion
353. XPO Logistics (Greenwich), $7.6 billion
368. W.R. Berkley (Greenwich), $7.2 billion
381. Emcor (Norwalk), $6.7 billion
396. Terex (Westport), $6.5 billion
419. Harman International (Stamford), $6.2 billion
440. United Rentals (Stamford), $5.8 billion
444. Starwood Resorts & Hotels (Stamford), $5.7 billion
461. Frontier Communications (Norwalk), $5.6 billion
462. Amphenol (Wallingford), $5.5 billion
 
CallMeBruce said:
The ACC isn't shut out of NYC. They have Syracuse. They also just got a great new media deal without UConn. They're not inviting us. They don't need us.
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Not sure how great that deal is given that GOR runs out a quarter century, but "yeah" to the rest.
 
End of the day, every program in the Big 12 not named Texas and Oklahoma should be pushing for 4 teams in case Texas and Oklahoma split in the future as then the remaining teams could possibly survive as a P5 conference if that happened. The Big 12's problem is not athletic performance as it is probably the 2nd or 3rd best athletic conference based on performance. The problem is market size/eyeballs as they have the smallest reach of all the P5 conferences. In the long run, eyeballs are going to determine potential conference payout, so the Big 12 should focus on increasing market reach. If that is the primary driver of expansion, the logical four candidates are UConn, BYU, UCF, and Cincinnati. If increasing market size is not a priority, but travel is, then they may look at Houston and Memphis.
 
CL82 said:
*Yawn*

Connecticut Fortune 500 Companies

45. United Technologies Corp. (Farmington), $61 billion
46. Aetna (Hartford), $60.3 billion
79. Cigna (Bloomfield), $37.9 billion
150. Xerox (Norwalk), $18.6 billion
152. Hartford Financial Services Group (Hartford), $18.4 billion
256. Stanley Black & Decker (New Britain), $11.2 billion
262. Praxair (Danbury), $10.8 billion
292. Charter Communications (Stamford), $9.8 billion
308. Priceline Group (Norwalk), $9.2 billion
353. XPO Logistics (Greenwich), $7.6 billion
368. W.R. Berkley (Greenwich), $7.2 billion
381. Emcor (Norwalk), $6.7 billion
396. Terex (Westport), $6.5 billion
419. Harman International (Stamford), $6.2 billion
440. United Rentals (Stamford), $5.8 billion
444. Starwood Resorts & Hotels (Stamford), $5.7 billion
461. Frontier Communications (Norwalk), $5.6 billion
462. Amphenol (Wallingford), $5.5 billion
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Well done. I feel like I am taking crazy pills every time I come across someone saying some nonsense about Cincinnati having such great Fortune 500 support. At the top of this list is the company that has donated the land (and continues to donate land) so that UConn can build a football stadium in the heart of the state, right off a major highway artery. But yeah, Cincinnati has 1 Fortune 500 company that apparently has a few hundred employees that went to UC.

Missing from this list? ESPN/Disney. They're the ones who are shelling out $1B to add 4 additional schools.
 
CL82 said:
*Yawn*

Connecticut Fortune 500 Companies

45. United Technologies Corp. (Farmington), $61 billion
46. Aetna (Hartford), $60.3 billion
79. Cigna (Bloomfield), $37.9 billion
150. Xerox (Norwalk), $18.6 billion
152. Hartford Financial Services Group (Hartford), $18.4 billion
256. Stanley Black & Decker (New Britain), $11.2 billion
262. Praxair (Danbury), $10.8 billion
292. Charter Communications (Stamford), $9.8 billion
308. Priceline Group (Norwalk), $9.2 billion
353. XPO Logistics (Greenwich), $7.6 billion
368. W.R. Berkley (Greenwich), $7.2 billion
381. Emcor (Norwalk), $6.7 billion
396. Terex (Westport), $6.5 billion
419. Harman International (Stamford), $6.2 billion
440. United Rentals (Stamford), $5.8 billion
444. Starwood Resorts & Hotels (Stamford), $5.7 billion
461. Frontier Communications (Norwalk), $5.6 billion
462. Amphenol (Wallingford), $5.5 billion
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Oh this again. Starwood falls off the list later this year. Xerox has very few employees in Norwalk. Same with Charter, less than 200. Overall, CT is no longer a real star in the corporate HQ world. And more to the point we don't have great involvement between UConn and these businesses, but I do have confidence Herbst is working on that.
 

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