Non-Key Tweets

[dayooper]

92 2/3 is more like it but yeah. Somehow I overlooked a decade. I blame Paul Pasqualoni or beer (or both).

Never blame beer, unless it's the cheap stuff.

 

[Kolumbo]

Go Temple. Philly is a very large dma, right?

Still think Big12 won't expand unless they know what the ACCn failure of starting up does for schools ability to leave the GOR sooner. If the promise was made that schools will have the network, and now there is not, there might be an escape clause. I could see both Fla State. decide to leave and play with the Big 12 with Notre Dame spurning another league to be with Texas again. Football teams first would think through what is in their best interest.

Whenever I read realignment theories, I wonder just how complicated these agreements are. I bet there are hundreds of clauses, restrictions, and metrics we know nothing about. For Florida State and Clemson to lock themselves down in such a turbulent time, I have to believe there are risk mitigating terms.

 

[RustyHusky]

Nobody's leaving the ACC for the BigXII. That ship has long ago sailed.

 

[SubbaBub]

The ACC is stronger than the B12 right now. That doesn't mean it's safe, but no one is simply jumping from the ACC to the B12 without major realognment armageddon already in progress.

And by Armageddon, I mean something along the lines of Texas, OU, OsU, FSU, Clemson, VT, ND, (Texas little sister of your choice), Louisville, and WVU all deciding to ditch tobacco road along with the B12 wannabes and also-rans to firm a true GB conference. The first 7 might do it if they could find 3 more valuable schools than the last 3 I listed. Oh, and egos, they'd have to figure out the money and egos.

So no, its not happening.

 

[Waquoit]

I believe that if UConn is simply a finalist for the Big 12, we will get invited to the ACC.

I believe this is the most optimistic CR post you ever made. Maybe the tide is turning.

 

[jostar1]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@forrestatty Ask @DanWolken about the concerns within the ACC. If you care to look you can see the fractures in the conference.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@forrestatty the Big 12 May bluster & vent. But its far more profitable & offers a vastly better product than the ACC.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@forrestatty The ACC doesn't have to be concerned about the Big 12. They need to be concerned about the Big 10 & SEC.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@forrestatty The B1G is on record coveting ACC schools. They need southern expansion.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@forrestatty Finally read about the delay In the ACCN. ESPN may just payoff the ACC & pass.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@forrestatty @DanWolken The ACC GoR is valid only as long as the ACCN is a possibility.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@forrestatty Swofford told FSU & others it was necessary for ACCN. ACC schools received nothing for signing it.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@forrestatty Wrong. The president works for the BoT. Swofford had to pitch ACCN & the GoR to the board. He made promises.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@forrestatty Why is it nonsense? The promise of the ACCN was the only thing that kept more ACC schools from going to the B1G.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@forrestatty Ask around. You'll hear 2017 as the go/no go year for ACCN. Why? Maybe because the GoR has an opt out if no ACCN.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@forrestatty Your an attorney. Is a contract valid when the due consideration is not forthcoming as promised?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@forrestatty Can a state school like FSU assign rights without due consideration? Was FSU's BoT mislead by Swofford?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@forrestatty So why - in the absence of other evidence - do you deny a tie between the ACC GoR & ACCN.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@forrestatty Here's the story about why FSU signed the GoR. Necessary for an ACCN. No commitment from ESPN. Swofford made presentation.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 60m60 minutes ago
@forrestatty http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...obbies-florida-state-grant-of-rights/2113527/ …

Ok. So if the promised compensation doesn't occur is it valid? No. It's not.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 60m60 minutes ago
@forrestatty Tangible compensation must be exchanged for the rights. Florida law may even stipulate fair market value.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 58m58 minutes ago
@forrestatty FSU only signed the GoR because Swofford told them it was necessary for ACCN & if ACCN never happens that it's invalid.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 19m19 minutes ago
@forrestatty Read the story. BoT told GoR was necessary for ACCN. BoT sold on how much $ they would make.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 17m17 minutes ago
@forrestatty the link was implied. Maybe stated. Is the GoR valid without consideration? Is it valid if ACC misrepresented ESPN interest?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 16m16 minutes ago
@forrestatty Swofford brought a media consultant. Take a gander at the products of discovery from the UMD trial.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 16m16 minutes ago
@forrestatty FSU could easily claim breech or misrepresentation.

Forrest Clinard ‏@forrestatty · 21m21 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV the GOR resulted in more TV money and a stable conference. That is pretty good compensation.

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @forrestatty The money may have been for an option that may expire in 2017. Stable? That's TBD.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 15m15 minutes ago
@forrestatty And I've looked. So I tried to break it down to simple law. 1. Can a contract be valid with below fair market terms.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 14m14 minutes ago
@forrestatty 2. If a GoR was not required as part of a new TV deal. I.e. As a condition and due consideration was not paid is it valid.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 14m14 minutes ago
@forrestatty and 3. If ACC misrepresented ESPN interest did it mislead FSU?

Forrest Clinard ‏@forrestatty · 18m18 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV 3 million per school plus stability. ACCN was not a promise. Why else would you have increased payout if no ACCN.

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @forrestatty it increased $2 million. FSU didn't sign away its rights for 2 million.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 15m15 minutes ago
@forrestatty So FSU signed away its rights for $3 million.

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @forrestatty No because that's not what happened. FSU BoT is clear they signed GoR for ACCN.

Forrest Clinard ‏@forrestatty · 12m12 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV that may be clear to you. That's not what Barron said or anybody else.

 

[jostar1]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago

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The consideration is ACC schools will get a bump in pay during delay launch. This is not news..it has been known

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
So after months of the Dude zig zagging back and forth whether the ACC GOR is valid...today he says ACC GOR not valid without ACCN.
Wrong

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
ACC & ESPN working toward ACCN. Tough negotiations with Raycom...timing of launch all important. But ACC GOR is valid beyond 2017.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
The ACC GOR is valid...even without a working ACCN.
ACC does need more REV...exposure great..REV not so good.
But ESPN is committed to ACC

Forrest Clinard ‏@forrestatty · 51m51 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV The GOR was not signed on the guarantee of an ACCN, only that one was necessary to even get ESPN interested.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 33m33 minutes ago
@forrestatty @theDudeofWV Exactly. GOR needed to be signed for ESPN to take a look...but if no ACCN a bump in pay is consideration

 

[jostar1]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 36m36 minutes ago
@forrestatty Regarding GoR there is too much we don't know. Compensation for signing GoR most importantly.

Forrest Clinard ‏@forrestatty · 36m36 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV well if you are saying we don't know why run around saying it's invalid?

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @forrestatty I'm getting to that. ESPNs president said ESPN owns all the rights to all ACC content.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 35m35 minutes ago
@forrestatty The increased payments from ESPN. Are they recurring? Or one time payment?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 34m34 minutes ago
@forrestatty What everyone misses is the link between the ACCN & the GoR.

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @forrestatty So the payment must be on options for ACCN. When does that expire? 2016 is everyone's guess.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 33m33 minutes ago
@forrestatty Its also clear the ACC had to convince FSU to sign the GoR. How did the ACC do that?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 33m33 minutes ago
@forrestatty By projecting profits from a potential ACCN & telling FSU a GoR was necessary. The ACC says no promises were made.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 32m32 minutes ago
@forrestatty But they certainly told FSU a ACCN required FSU to sign a GoR. The ACC also told FSU it would be up by 2016-2017.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 31m31 minutes ago
@forrestatty there is no question FSU signed the GoR solely because of the projections & assurances made by the ACC.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 30m30 minutes ago
@forrestatty If ESPN passes on the ACCN that kills the ACC GoR. It only exists as an instrument to implement a network.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 27m27 minutes ago
@forrestatty Unlike the Big 12, SEC, P12 or B1G were the GoR was required for their respective TV deals the ACC GoR does what if no ACCN?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 27m27 minutes ago
@forrestatty The ACC doesn't have to worry about the Big 12. It has to worry about the SEC & Big Ten.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 25m25 minutes ago
@forrestatty Is a contract valid without compensation? Can a state school grant rights for intangible benefits?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 25m25 minutes ago
@forrestatty are the ESPN payments for the GoR or for an option for the ACCN? They are clearly for the option. Do you agree?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 24m24 minutes ago
@forrestatty FSU was turned down by the Big 12 & Big Ten. They wanted out.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 24m24 minutes ago
@forrestatty So is the payment by ESPN, in your opinion., compensation for the not picking up ACCN or for the GoR?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 17m17 minutes ago
@forrestatty So the question is if ESPN passes on the ACCN is the GoR valid? Is there a breech?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 16m16 minutes ago
@forrestatty Because there is major concern among ACC schools about what happens if ESPN passes.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 15m15 minutes ago
@forrestatty You can deny the central question all you like. But the ACC GoR depends on ESPN picking up ACCN by the end of A-year 20156.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 14m14 minutes ago
@forrestatty Otherwise I'm certain rights revert back.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 13m13 minutes ago
@forrestatty Clearly FSU is concerned about the delay. Clearly there is a link between FSU signing the GoR & ACCN.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 13m13 minutes ago
@forrestatty I'll add this too. Off the record officials at VT & NCST have told me the ACC GoR isn't binding.

 

[specialisthusky]

Is the dude a first year or second year?

 

[pj]

Is the dude a first year or second year?

He's a sophomore.

 

[jostar1]

Forrest Clinard ‏@forrestatty · 8h8 hours ago
@theDudeofWV lol. Didn't you try this in 2012? Big 12 is dead man walking but you keep talking ACC.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 6h6 hours ago
@forrestatty Ask @DanWolken about the concerns within the ACC. If you care to look you can see the fractures in the conference.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 6h6 hours ago
@forrestatty @DanWolken The ACC GoR is valid only as long as the ACCN is a possibility.

Ethan Moore ‏@_EthanMoore · 2h2 hours ago
@theDudeofWV @forrestatty thats incorrect. The ACC GoR is effective until 2026-27 regardless of an ACCN.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@_EthanMoore @forrestatty That assumes it's valid. You guys are missing the smoke coming from the ACC.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@_EthanMoore @forrestatty Nobody can argue FSU signed the GoR to get profits from the ACCN. Despite what was said about no promises.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@_EthanMoore @forrestatty The fact that Swofford took a media consultant & projected ACCN earnings to FSU's BoT says a lot.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@_EthanMoore @forrestatty It says FSU signed the GoR because they believed an ACCN was forthcoming.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@_EthanMoore @forrestatty And the Big 12 doesn't want to expand with anyone. So whoever told you I said the Big 12 would raid the ACC lied.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@_EthanMoore @forrestatty The real danger to the ACC is the Big Ten & SEC. Both have profitable networks.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

This alone may re-start the fires around the XII - the first football playoff standings for 2015.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...-state-buckeyes-alabama-crimson-tide-top-four

The two leading, undefeated XII teams have been jumped by a 1 loss Alabama team along with a 1 loss ND team. A weak OCC schedule is biting the XII teams now and the lack of a championship game will sting later.

1) Clemson
2) LSU
3) Ohio St
4) Alabama
5) ND
6) Baylor
7) Michigan St
8) TCU
9) Iowa
10) Florida

 

[The Viking]

From Notre Dame's perspective, if they finish at #5, does that mean that being part of the ACC and its championship game may have given them a chance at a top 4 appearance? By lets saying beating Clemson?

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

From Notre Dame's perspective, if they finish at #5, does that mean that being part of the ACC and its championship game may have given them a chance at a top 4 appearance? By lets saying beating Clemson?

They won't finish 5th. It's almost impossible the way the schedules shake out. If they win out and the Big 12 teams crap themselves in one way or another, they'll get in over two-loss Alabama, one loss LSU, or even undefeated Michigan State if they beat OSU.

This will start the chatter among B12 people about expansion, but it won't go into full-blown panic mode unless one of their teams is left out again if they go undefeated. Their schedules are backloaded so for now they have that to fall back on. Something tells me though that even if one of their teams runs the table, they might not still get in.

 

[don356]

This alone may re-start the fires around the XII - the first football playoff standings for 2015.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...-state-buckeyes-alabama-crimson-tide-top-four

The two leading, undefeated XII teams have been jumped by a 1 loss Alabama team along with a 1 loss ND team. A weak OCC schedule is biting the XII teams now and the lack of a championship game will sting later.

1) Clemson
2) LSU
3) Ohio St
4) Alabama
5) ND
6) Baylor
7) Michigan St
8) TCU
9) Iowa
10) Florida

Baylor was called out before the season started for having a terrible out of conference schedule as was the b12 as a whole. It shows up in those standings.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

They won't finish 5th. It's almost impossible the way the schedules shake out. If they win out and the Big 12 teams crap themselves in one way or another, they'll get in over two-loss Alabama, one loss LSU, or even undefeated Michigan State if they beat OSU.

This will start the chatter among B12 people about expansion, but it won't go into full-blown panic mode unless one of their teams is left out again if they go undefeated. Their schedules are backloaded so for now they have that to fall back on. Something tells me though that even if one of their teams runs the table, they might not still get in.

Meant to add, either ND moves up because of those circumstances, or they move down - almost no way they end at 5.

 

[billybud]

The Big 12 schedule is back loaded and their toughest games are upcoming. Baylor is getting kicked for their purposefully woeful OOC scheduling.

There are automatic knockouts...TCU vs Baylor...Bama vs LSU.

I think that an undefeated TCU or Baylor will play....the SEC Champ will play, the Big 10 Champ will play....and if Clemson runs the table, they will play.

Obviously some conference will get left out....The ACC if Clemson loses, the PAC 12 if their champ doesn't rise, the Big 12 if TCU and Baylor lose one...

The SEC is declared "In" and were so declared preseason.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The Dude's anti-ACC rants deserve their own category of "non-key".

 

[FDNY99]

The Big 12 schedule is back loaded and their toughest games are upcoming. Baylor is getting kicked for their purposefully woeful OOC scheduling.

There are automatic knockouts...TCU vs Baylor...Bama vs LSU.

I think that an undefeated TCU or Baylor will play....the SEC Champ will play, the Big 10 Champ will play....and if Clemson runs the table, they will play.

Obviously some conference will get left out....The ACC if Clemson loses, the PAC 12 if their champ doesn't rise, the Big 12 if TCU and Baylor lose one...

The SEC is declared "In" and were so declared preseason.

If you are gonna declare the SEC as "In"..you have to also declare the B1G "In" as well!

 

[billybud]

If you are gonna declare the SEC as "In"..you have to also declare the B1G "In" as well!

I did....they just were not declared preseason....

Some B1G teams don't have the SOS that the SEC Champ will have...current SOS (Sagarin)

Ohio State....68
Alabama.......9
Clemson.......28
Baylor..........104
Notre Dame....16
TCU.................53
LSU................37
Stanford........23

 

[MemphisBlues]

And Notre Dame winning out makes five.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

They won't finish 5th. It's almost impossible the way the schedules shake out. If they win out and the Big 12 teams crap themselves in one way or another, they'll get in over two-loss Alabama, one loss LSU, or even undefeated Michigan State if they beat OSU.

This will start the chatter among B12 people about expansion, but it won't go into full-blown panic mode unless one of their teams is left out again if they go undefeated. Their schedules are backloaded so for now they have that to fall back on. Something tells me though that even if one of their teams runs the table, they might not still get in.

Assume that Clemson wins out, they get a slot. Even should one of the XII teams remain undefeated (definitely out with a loss), they may have issues as realistically the undefeated team will only have 2 marquee wins (OK St & Baylor/TCU) as neither team has solid OCC games. Only Oklahoma seems to care about its overall strength of schedule and it also does not help that their other big name has having another off year. Now, say Iowa goes undefeated and upsets Ohio St in the B1G championship. Iowa gets a slot and a 1 loss defending national champion stays in the conversation for a bid. In the SEC, say LSU beats Alabama this weekend; but, is upset by a 1 loss Florida team in the SEC title game. Florida is in because it is the SEC, LSU is still in the conversation. Throw in a 1 loss PAC champion in Stanford and I think one of Ohio St/LSU/Stanford gets that 4th and final playoff spot over an undefeated Baylor/TCU team from the XII.

 

[SubbaBub]

ND gets in over a 1 loss B12 or P12 team. Will have beaten Stamford and have a better SOS than a non CCG B12 champ.

Bama gets in with 1 loss, does LSU? Don't think so.

Clemson gets in over ND even with a non CCG loss.

Either OSU or MSU is in unless Mich upsets OSU that beats MSU. IOWA needs 13 wins.

All undefeated P5 teams get in. The 1 loss tie breaking order will be:

SEC
BIG
ND
P12
ACC
B12

 

[SAMCRO]

Meant to add, either ND moves up because of those circumstances, or they move down - almost no way they end at 5.

You want to see hell break out in ACC land... hope that LSU, OSU, and whoever wins the B12 remain undefeated, have Clemson lose along the way, say in the ACC CG and ND win out. A final 4 of LSU, OSU, B12 champ, and ND.... A 1 loss ND team gets into the playoff after losing to Clemson and without having to have played in a conference or championship game, while a 1 loss Clemson is left out after handling ND and dropping one in the championship game. That is the scenario I want to see play out.

 

[Kolumbo]

Even if you credit the ACC with 2 1/2, perhaps espn should be focusing on an AAC/ACC Network.