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[whaler11]

I'm pretty sure the deals wouldn't even allow them to move the games over the air - because it would impact the value Fox and CBS receive for what they paid to broadcast games OTA.

 

[CallMeBruce]

Stand by for the hate Cincy comments. They deserve an invite

The best part of that comment thread is all of the WVU fans talking about what a moron The Dude is.

 

[don356]

Normally i probably would not tune into the tcu v wv game tunite, but after reading the duds send up to tonight's game i will likely watch some of it. I suspect tcu will send them to their 4th straight loss and 2 no twitter days for him to gather his thoughts and recover.

 

[jostar1]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
Big 12 to stand pat at 10 for now. Playoffs the prime motivating factor. Miss it & the Big 12 expands.

David Gill ‏@DJGill33 · 2h2 hours ago  Weirton, WV
@theDudeofWV with Baylor likely to lose a game now due to QB injury there is a good chance no one in the big 12 goes undefeated.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@DJGill33 If you're pro expansion then that's good. If you're not its bad.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
WVU, OU and BU are the most pro-expansion schools in the Big 12. Each for a different reason.

danny pritt ‏@DaPritt · 2h2 hours ago
@theDudeofWV Well, what's the reasons?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@DaPritt Obvious... BU... scared for Big 12 - OU wants a network - WVU wants someone close.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@cdoneal428 BU isn't stupid... a Big 12 with > than 10 survives if anyone leaves.

Collin O'Neal ‏@cdoneal428 · 2h2 hours ago
@theDudeofWV so why aren't TCU and Oklahoma state with them?

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @cdoneal428 Who says they aren't" Degrees of meh among the others. Sorta for expansion if the right candidate.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@cdoneal428 Sorta against expansion if the candidates are not what they want.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@cdoneal428 So you have 3 strongly in favor. 1 strongly against & 6 on the fence.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@DaPritt Texas truly wants the Big 12. If the Big 12 goes away Texas thinks it can live as an indy. Texas will not cause the demise.

 

[Dooley]

The LHN is a disaster. While they have a huge fanbase, they do not have the same national appeal that Notre Dame carries. ND has its NBC deal because they have HUGE alumni numbers in big markets (i.e. northeast, Chicago, etc). Texas does not. Bully to Texas if they think that they can survive as an Indy but I think this is just more Dude speak to try to downplay just how shaky a situation that the B12 is truly in.

 

[pj]

The LHN is a disaster. While they have a huge fanbase, they do not have the same national appeal that Notre Dame carries. ND has its NBC deal because they have HUGE alumni numbers in big markets (i.e. northeast, Chicago, etc). Texas does not. Bully to Texas if they think that they can survive as an Indy but I think this is just more Dude speak to try to downplay just how shaky a situation that the B12 is truly in.

Notre Dame has an undergrad enrollment of 8,000, Texas of 40,000. Texas probably has more alums in every major city save Chicago. What Notre Dame has is a lot of non-alumni fans nationwide, due to its history as the sports representative of Catholics. Texas gets non-alumni fans from the state of Texas, nowhere else.

 

[Dooley]

Notre Dame has an undergrad enrollment of 8,000, Texas of 40,000. Texas probably has more alums in every major city save Chicago. What Notre Dame has is a lot of non-alumni fans nationwide, due to its history as the sports representative of Catholics. Texas gets non-alumni fans from the state of Texas, nowhere else.

Yes. If LHN was regionalized to the midwestern region where most of their alumni/fanbase is located, that's one thing. ND has presence in just about every major city in the U.S., especially in the northeast. Their ratings are driven by those markets and warrant their own NBC deal. Texas' fan demographic does not.

 

[Slasher]

The way I see it everyone is pro-expansion, except Texas. I don't see a compelling reason the rest of the conference doesn't want to expand.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

Utini‏@PromiscuousJawa 11h11 hours ago
No invites are imminent. Period. Won't happen til at least after the regular season. Unless there is emergency meeting not til February.

Utini ‏@PromiscuousJawa 8h8 hours ago
My last tweet may not hold weight. I could be wrong on that from what I'm hearing. Doubt it. But there is noise. Quite a bit.

Aerocat ‏@aerocat08 5h5 hours ago
@PromiscuousJawa Not getting our hopes up in Bearcatland yet, but if there was something afoot, why now? Seems like weird timing.

 

[jostar1]

PAL ‏@PAL88888 · 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire ACC Channel Delayed? http://www.myajc.com/news/sports/co...rnallink_referralbox_free-to-premium-referral …

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@PAL88888
Looks like it...but as you can see from the article ESPN will make investment in ACCN and up their $ on Current TV contract.

PAL ‏@PAL88888 · 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire Does reality of ACCN mean ESPN is losing most or all of B1G Tier-1 contract?

Greg Flugaur
‏@flugempire @PAL88888 I don't think they will lose all..but some. But ESPN is committed to ACC..and ACCN will get off ground

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
ACC schools will get a bump in pay by ESPN for the ACCN delay...if that's the final decision. ESPN is totally committed to the ACC.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
The ACC GOR is intact...there was consideration by signing the GOR for each and every ACC school.
Timing is everything for launch.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
ACC talking about more Conference BB games in the future...this is to have more content in-house. This is for future ACCN.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
The consideration in the ACC GOR signing was bump in pay...either in ACCN or if delay in launch the bump in pay in Teir 1 Contract.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 23m23 minutes ago
@DanWolken Look into the ACC GoR. Is it valid without payment.

Mike Swearingen ‏@Swearingen20 40m40 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV I just noticed some tweets from Dan Wolken and it sounds like the ACC could be on the move in some way. Could affect the Big12

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV 22m22 minutes ago
@Swearingen20 ACC is in trouble. They have always been the target. Not the Big 12.

Mike Swearingen ‏@Swearingen20 17m17 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV in your opinion would this help or hurt the chances of Memphis and Cincinnati going to the Big 12?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
I do agree with those who speculating ESPNU could become future ACCN.Even if ESPN retains 50% of B1G new contract..ESPNU won't be in package

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 1h1 hour ago
@flugempire Not for football, anyway.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 1h1 hour ago
@pfh1964 Yep...not for football. ESPNU is currently in the B1G package...but not in the future.

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 1h1 hour ago
@flugempire They will still have other sports on U.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 1h1 hour ago
@pfh1964 yep. Lacrosse is one of them

Allen Kenney ‏@BlatantHomerism 2h2 hours ago
Realignment conspiracy time: why would Georgia tech put this out there?

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 1h1 hour ago
@BlatantHomerism B1G Presidents would crawl over burning coals to bring in GT. Not happening..but they would vote yes if GT ever interested

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 1h1 hour ago
@BlatantHomerism Not to mention GT is closer to moving up their HCKY Club team to D1 than any current B1G school with no D1 HCKY.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 1h1 hour ago
ACC GOR is real..schls have received consideration for signing GOR..will get bump $ if ACCN delayed. But if GT 12/15 yrs is available


ME: Gee, thanks a lot, Wolken, for giving the twitter peanut gallery new oxygen.

 

[GG]

As always, take it for what it's worth:


@NightRiderLBK: 4) if big 12 misses playoff again they will take a hard look at expanding before next season. as of now, the most preferred are........

@NightRiderLBK: 5) in order.......
1 - byu
2 - memphis
3 - cincinnati
4 - uconn
big 12 is preparing for potential issues with byu (sunday, geography, etc)

@NightRiderLBK: @BBConnectionOrl memphis has made huge improvements. uconn is a flagship and great market

 

[nelsonmuntz]

As always, take it for what it's worth:


@NightRiderLBK: 4) if big 12 misses playoff again they will take a hard look at expanding before next season. as of now, the most preferred are...

@NightRiderLBK: 5) in order..
1 - byu
2 - memphis
3 - cincinnati
4 - uconn
big 12 is preparing for potential issues with byu (sunday, geography, etc)

@NightRiderLBK: @BBConnectionOrl memphis has made huge improvements. uconn is a flagship and great market

A new hat in the ring. Excellent.

 

[UConn9604]

A new hat in the ring. Excellent.

His Twitter profile says that he has 160 followers and that he's 82 1/2 years old. Sounds like a reliable source to me.

 

[UConn9604]

A new hat in the ring. Excellent.

The date he lists as his birthday, February 10, 1923, is the date that Texas Tech was founded. That's probably not his birthday (or it's a really cool coincidence).

Either way, P5 conferences typically run realignment decisions through the least-significant schools in their leagues, so he must know what he's talking about.

 

[NYUConn]

His Twitter profile says that he has 160 followers and that he's 82 1/2 years old. Sounds like a reliable source to me.

Is it Lee Corso?

 

[CAHUSKY]

The date he lists as his birthday, February 10, 1923, is the date that Texas Tech was founded. That's probably not his birthday (or it's a really cool coincidence).
hat he's talking about.

45 years before Cahusky was founded! (Born)

 

[jostar1]

The date he lists as his birthday, February 10, 1923, is the date that Texas Tech was founded. That's probably not his birthday (or it's a really cool coincidence).

Either way, P5 conferences typically run realignment decisions through the least-significant schools in their leagues, so he must know what he's talking about.

Yes, he apparently is a Texas Tech fan. He tweeted a picture of Jones AT&T Stadium.


Night Rider ‏@NightRiderLBK Oct 26
Night Rider Retweeted Adrian T Dayton
not gonna bite the hand that feeds me. source is as good as gold though, I promise

Night Rider ‏@NightRiderLBK Oct 26
folks, I can't share who I am publicly. hopefully you understand. but info I pass on is good.

Night Rider ‏@NightRiderLBK Oct 26
I have no reason to try and mislead anyone or lie to fan bases. I have solid Texas tech and big 12 sources

Night Rider ‏@NightRiderLBK Oct 20
there are only 4 options for big 12 expansion right now: uconn, byu, cincy and memphis. No interest in ecu, ucf, usf, boise or houston

 

[don356]

Is it Lee Corso?

Nah, it's Mel Brooks. The dud is actually Stevie from Kenny Powers clan. He's the bitch of the WV program. For those who watch any of that tcu/wvu game last night, is there a school with a bigger pair of wining coaches than Holgorsen/Huggins?

 

[Slasher]

One thing to consider is future schedules. Let's say the B12 actually does expand. They have a nine game conference schedule. Assuming 2018 being the first year in a new conference, let's consider what would have to happen to make this happen.

Cincinnati: 2018 - 3 nc, 2019 - 4 nc (1 would have to be moved), 2020 - 3 nc
Memphis: 2018- 2 nc, 2019 3 nc, 2020 - 0 nc
BYU: 2018 - 10 nc, 2019 - 9 nc, 2020 - 8 nc
UCF: 2018 - 1 nc, 2019 - 2 nc, 2020 - 1 nc
UConn: 2018 - 4 nc, 2019 - 3 nc, 2020 - 3 nc

Memphis and UCF are actually short games so they are ok. Cincinnati and UConn would have to move one each (pretty easily doable.) BYU would have to move an exorbitant amount of games. Does BYU have a contract with every school saying we can back out at any time? They have a lot of P5 schools in those years, most of which probably can't be all that flexible. BYUs schedule doesn't really calm down until 2022. I'd think that would be a ton of money they'd have to eat to try to move all those games around...

 

[businesslawyer]

One thing to consider is future schedules. Let's say the B12 actually does expand. They have a nine game conference schedule. Assuming 2018 being the first year in a new conference, let's consider what would have to happen to make this happen.

Cincinnati: 2018 - 3 nc, 2019 - 4 nc (1 would have to be moved), 2020 - 3 nc
Memphis: 2018- 2 nc, 2019 3 nc, 2020 - 0 nc
BYU: 2018 - 10 nc, 2019 - 9 nc, 2020 - 8 nc
UCF: 2018 - 1 nc, 2019 - 2 nc, 2020 - 1 nc
UConn: 2018 - 4 nc, 2019 - 3 nc, 2020 - 3 nc

Memphis and UCF are actually short games so they are ok. Cincinnati and UConn would have to move one each (pretty easily doable.) BYU would have to move an exorbitant amount of games. Does BYU have a contract with every school saying we can back out at any time? They have a lot of P5 schools in those years, most of which probably can't be all that flexible. BYUs schedule doesn't really calm down until 2022. I'd think that would be a ton of money they'd have to eat to try to move all those games around...

Please stop. At this time, any non P-5 school invited to the P-5 says yes first and deals with the various consequences of saying yes second. Because the consequences of saying "no" will always outweigh the consequences of saying "yes."

 

[NYUConn]

One thing to consider is future schedules. Let's say the B12 actually does expand. They have a nine game conference schedule. Assuming 2018 being the first year in a new conference, let's consider what would have to happen to make this happen.

Cincinnati: 2018 - 3 nc, 2019 - 4 nc (1 would have to be moved), 2020 - 3 nc
Memphis: 2018- 2 nc, 2019 3 nc, 2020 - 0 nc
BYU: 2018 - 10 nc, 2019 - 9 nc, 2020 - 8 nc
UCF: 2018 - 1 nc, 2019 - 2 nc, 2020 - 1 nc
UConn: 2018 - 4 nc, 2019 - 3 nc, 2020 - 3 nc

Memphis and UCF are actually short games so they are ok. Cincinnati and UConn would have to move one each (pretty easily doable.) BYU would have to move an exorbitant amount of games. Does BYU have a contract with every school saying we can back out at any time? They have a lot of P5 schools in those years, most of which probably can't be all that flexible. BYUs schedule doesn't really calm down until 2022. I'd think that would be a ton of money they'd have to eat to try to move all those games around...

First of all any school who got a Big 12 invite would instantly write a check to as many schools as needed to get them off their schedules moving forward.

Secondly, I would bet my entire paycheck that BYU has some sort of language written into all of their game contracts that innoculate them from excessive fees should they need to cancel because they joined a conference.

 

[Slasher]

Please stop. At this time, any non P-5 school invited to the P-5 says yes first and deals with the various consequences of saying yes second. Because the consequences of saying "no" will always outweigh the consequences of saying "yes."

I'm not really sure that's true. Sometime's these game cancellation fees are in the millions. Lets say conservatively BYU has to pay $500,000 a game to cancel it. That's a lot of dough with the B12 pretty much telling everyone that you aren't getting full TV money and the fact that the B12 is the least stable. BYU is already doing pretty decently on their TV deal. That's a lot of money to throw away for an unstable conference, which could be completely gone by 2025 (GoR expiration.)

 

[Slasher]

First of all any school who got a Big 12 invite would instantly write a check to as many schools as needed to get them off their schedules moving forward.

Secondly, I would bet my entire paycheck that BYU has some sort of language written into all of their game contracts that innoculate them from excessive fees should they need to cancel because they joined a conference.

I agree with point two wholeheartedly, if they have it contracted that way, that's a whole different story.

 

[jostar1]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 9m9 minutes ago
https://therealdudeofwv.wordpress.com/2015/10/30/wvu-unhappy-with-direction-of-football-program/ …

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 48m48 minutes ago
That's all I know. I learned it about 2:20 pm yesterday afternoon. the TCU game was very important.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 24m24 minutes ago
Now I'm going away for a while. I'm sick at my stomach over this.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 20m20 minutes ago
One more thing. Don't forget to watch the ACC. ESPN looks like its about to pull the plug on the ACCN & cause mass panic in the conference.

 

[NYUConn]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 9m9 minutes ago
https://therealdudeofwv.wordpress.com/2015/10/30/wvu-unhappy-with-direction-of-football-program/ …

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 48m48 minutes ago
That's all I know. I learned it about 2:20 pm yesterday afternoon. the TCU game was very important.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 24m24 minutes ago
Now I'm going away for a while. I'm sick at my stomach over this.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 20m20 minutes ago
One more thing. Don't forget to watch the ACC. ESPN looks like its about to pull the plug on the ACCN & cause mass panic in the conference.

LOL RichRod back in Morgantown would be a miracle considering they quite literally burned him in effigy when he left.

 

[Dooley]

If UConn is invited to the B12, we would say yes before Bowlsby could finish asking. Future OOC scheduling will factor into our decision 000000000000%.

This Knight Rider dude has identified the top 3 schools on the sidelines: UConn, BYU and Cincinnati. I think UCF would be more valuable than Memphis if their AD wasn't such a train wreck right now. No football coach, no Athletic Director, a lousy football team, and have always been lousy at all other sports. If all things were equal, UCF would offer the bigger TV market and better football recruiting area over Memphis. Plus I think their student body is huge.

I guess Memphis would bring some good things - decent football recruiting area, a football program that is exploding at the most opportune time, and a basketball program that won't instantly lower everybody's RPI 100 spots come tourney time. They certainly play B12 football already: explosive offense and no defense.

If I were running the B12, I would invite 6: UConn, BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, and Memphis/Temple/Boise. All 6 would bring markets, good football, good football recruiting, and a powerhouse hoops program to pair against KU. Seems like the B12 and ACC are in a race to get a network deal launched first or they are vulnerable to being dropped from mega power status and would be left out of a P4 scenario. Because of this, the B12 really needs to think about long-term viable markets when they add...not just about whatever will get TCU or Baylor into the Playoff in 2016.

 

[NYUConn]

If UConn is invited to the B12, we would say yes before Bowlsby could finish asking. Future OOC scheduling will factor into our decision 000000000000%.

This Knight Rider dude has identified the top 3 schools on the sidelines: UConn, BYU and Cincinnati. I think UCF would be more valuable than Memphis if their AD wasn't such a train wreck right now. No football coach, no Athletic Director, a lousy football team, and have always been lousy at all other sports. If all things were equal, UCF would offer the bigger TV market and better football recruiting area over Memphis. Plus I think their student body is huge.

I guess Memphis would bring some good things - decent football recruiting area, a football program that is exploding at the most opportune time, and a basketball program that won't instantly lower everybody's RPI 100 spots come tourney time. They certainly play B12 football already: explosive offense and no defense.

If I were running the B12, I would invite 6: UConn, BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, and Memphis/Temple/Boise. All 6 would bring markets, good football, good football recruiting, and a powerhouse hoops program to pair against KU. Seems like the B12 and ACC are in a race to get a network deal launched first or they are vulnerable to being dropped from mega power status and would be left out of a P4 scenario. Because of this, the B12 really needs to think about long-term viable markets when they add...not just about whatever will get TCU or Baylor into the Playoff in 2016.

Problem is sharing future revenue 16 ways vs. 12. You can't convince me that Texas would be ok with sharing that pot with Temple.

 

[Dooley]

Problem is sharing future revenue 16 ways vs. 12. You can't convince me that Texas would be ok with sharing that pot with Temple.

I agree - that's the rub. At some point, the other schools will need to band together and do what's best for them even if it means losing Texas to Independence or another conference. With a B12N, that might be enough to convince OU and KU to stay and even sign an updated GoR. If Texas bolts, then you have 15 good schools/ADs and a decent list to pick from to replace them with (Boise/Memphis/Temple). Granted, none of the adds are anywhere close to Texas' value but this conference is every bit as good as the ACC. And if it gets a B12N before an ACCN, then it won't need to worry about ACC any more. You can pluck off a few of the ACC leftovers (Louisville, Clemson, FSU, Miami, VT, etc) and get to 20.

East:
UConn
WVU
Cincinnati
UCF
Memphis/Temple
Houston
TCU
Baylor

West:
BYU
Texas
OU
Ok State
KU
K State
TT
ISU

Football: 7 division games; 2 cross division games; 3 OOC games. If Texas isn't happy and decides to bolt, replace them with Boise in the West. Or, replace with Memphis/Temple and shift Baylor/TCU/Houston to the West. Truly a "national" conference with recruiting ties to FL, TX, OH, mid-Atlantic. Championship Game in Dallas.

Basketball: UConn is the obvious heavyweight and brings an instant must-see game every time against Kansas (or whoever we play). Every plays once and some teams twice. Now has presence in NYC/northeast recruiting. Conference tourney on Kansas City, Dallas, NYC rotation.

Markets: NYC, Philly (maybe), Orlando, DC, Dallas, Houston, St Louis, Kansas City, BYU following.

Olympic sports: give option for schools to join regional conferences (ex - UConn can keep hockey in Hockey East).

Caveat: none of this will ever happen.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

I believe him about ECU and USF not being considered - they're obviously not candidates for anything. UCF, you have to wonder if their program was just a flash in the paan with O'Leary leaving midseason and them having absolutely nothing else of value on the field. I know Houston is competitively average and they're a redundant market, but I would imagine they have some pull in the Texas legislature, especially after what happened in the Southwest Conference breakup. I find it hard to believe they've been written off.

It seems to be clear to everyone though that if the XII misses the playoff again because of no championship game, expansion will be seriously considered.