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[nelsonmuntz]

Perhaps you are right and no ACC program will challenge the GORs but saying it as an absolute does not make it so....GORs have never been challenged so no one knows what the likely outcome will be. That said, I have yet to see the threat of penalties or lawsuits hold a member in if they are determined to leave. Moreover, generally the settlements have been pennies on the dollar.

A school like UNC, UVa, perhaps even VT has nothing to worry about and can wait till 2025, they will have homes in the SEC/BIG. But what about a program like GT. GT is a fine academic school and a fine athletics program but it only has one conference with a network option, the BIG. Moreover, GT is probably not the BIG's first choice. If GT is offered a spot in the BIG in the next few years perhaps they'll feel compelled to jump while they have an offer.

The moonshiners may have an alternative motivation but some of their assessment of the ACC is valid. If the ACC does not get a network, the ACC likely will lose some programs. The only question is when.

Do you think if BC was offered a spot in the BIG tomorrow they would not jump? Some programs cannot afford to wait. No program is going to allow the threat of a GOR lawsuit to doom them to the G5.

If it was realistically possible to challenge a GOR, then UConn and Cincinnati would not be in the discussion for the Big 12. No conference or school is going to challenge the GOR.

 

[dwalks93]

If it was realistically possible to challenge a GOR, then UConn and Cincinnati would not be in the discussion for the Big 12. No conference or school is going to challenge the GOR.

No team is leaving the ACC for the Big 12 right now.The Big12 is less stable, less geographically attractive and can't pay significantly more money. Even if there were no GORs an ACC team would be foolish to leave for a non-network Big 12.

When the SEC/BIG expand and take teams from the G5 then I'll acknowledge the GORs are unchallengeable. Perhaps the GORs are the reason realignment has slowed or perhaps after the last round of expansion, the P5 conferences are still digesting their new acquisitions and are content to wait.

No question GORs are a factor but why do you think so many pundits are arguing against potential Big 12 expansion? Once the shooting begins again it may trigger a whole new war. The Big/SEC can wait till the ACC GORs expire in 2025 unless there is a fear their ACC target may go to another rival conference early.

IMO If the ACC doesn't get an ACCN the writing is on all the wall for some teams to leave. It may not happen immediately but someone will probably try to leave before 2025. BC's and Pitt's behavior in the old BE have shown the kind of double dealing which will occur when teams deem their current conference inferior. That said, if the ACC gets a network then the ACC is probably safe till at least 2025.

Swofford needs to deliver on his ACCN promise. If he doesn't...stand by

 

[billybud]

Flug probably picked up his info same place some of us did on Warchant....


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[jostar1]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
B12 Update: Despite the rumors the Big 12 has not decided to expand nor have they picked additions.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
Big 12 expansion is dependent on a Big 12 network. No network means no expansion.

Mountaineer Steve ‏@Mountaineer_Ste · 2h2 hours ago  Irmo, SC
@theDudeofWV Have you spent time estimating revenue generated from BIG12N

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste This isn't complete. No expenses or out of market income included.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste UC & BYU markets nearly identical.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Expansion candidates include: BYU, UC, UCF, UCONN & USF. Those are the front runners according to sources.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Dark horse candidates still in the running but highly unlikely include Boise State, Col. State, Memphis & Houston.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
B12 sources say if expansion is feasible they will first approach a few P5 candidates to gauge their interest then G5 candidates.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Assuming a B12N is feasible it's not yet been determined if the Big 12 will add 2 or 4 schools.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
4 seems most likely given the need to fulfill Fox/ESPN broadcast appearances & populate network.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@KraigOlsen In every case of expansion conf have went to 12 for a CCG & 14 for a network.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
The B12's decision to expand will be based on the recommendations of BHV as to which combo adds the most value.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

How many times is the Dude going to make the same series of tweets?

 

[Chin Diesel]

Take UConn, both the Florida schools and who cares for #14. I have a feeling it would be Cincy to keep the conference in two time zones.

Give the Texas schools full access to Florida's HS recruits and markets and vice versa and it's a done deal. Texas, Oklahoma, OSU would have no problem filling up the Bucaneers stadium or Brighthouse in Orlando. Heck, the Citrus Bowl could get dusted off for really big games.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

http://www.landthieves.com/board/sh...t-never-ends&p=2746575&viewfull=1#post2746575

Lots of discussion on Orangebloods today with some inside sources.

UT wants to stay with OU in whatever conference we are in...whether it's the Big 12 or the Pac, B1G, SEC or ACC. Boren's suggestions to fix the Big 12 won't close the gap with the B1G or SEC, so the hope is that UT and OU quietly discuss leaving together when it is possible (2025 at the latest). Hopefully Boren will get the message loud and clear after the May Big 12 meetings are over, and we can get the process going quietly.

Insiders on Orangebloods indicated the Pac is still very interested in expanding with UT and OU, with some additional teams possible. No word on how many (4 or 6) are preferred or who they are.

ME: "Death By Texsa" is still remotely possible. It'll depend on how willing the PAC is on taking in additional schools from the B12.

 

[Jimdish255]

http://www.landthieves.com/board/sh...t-never-ends&p=2746575&viewfull=1#post2746575






ME: "Death By Texsa" is still remotely possible. It'll depend on how willing the PAC is on taking in additional schools from the B12.

They're all nuts just throwing crap against the wall to see if they get lucky later. Covered every possible base in 1.5 pages.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

http://www.landthieves.com/board/sh...t-never-ends&p=2746575&viewfull=1#post2746575






ME: "Death By Texsa" is still remotely possible. It'll depend on how willing the PAC is on taking in additional schools from the B12.

Pac 12 walked from Texas before, don't see anything happening to change the Pac 12's mind.

 

[Stinger92860]

Just looking at the Connecticut Market we are 50% bigger than either UC or BYU and unlike those schools there is no P5 competition in state. Besides the Connecticut footprint, we will bring some percentage of the Boston to NYC markets outside of Connecticut. If we agree to play some conference games in NYC, Metlife or Gillette , which I think we should, we can extend and increase our brand. Adding as little as 5% of Boston or NYC markets to our current geography increases our value.

 

[upstater]

Pac 12 walked from Texas before, don't see anything happening to change the Pac 12's mind.

If the conferences are all moving to 16, the thought of taking Texas instead of Boise State should focus a few minds.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

If the conferences are all moving to 16, the thought of taking Texas instead of Boise State should focus a few minds.

Why are the conferences all going to 16? The SEC, Pac 12 and Big 10 all have schools that left the Big 12 to get away from Texas.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 4h4 hours ago
Boren tells Bowlsby that a Longhorn branded B12 network isn't gonna fly. Says UT can keep the branding in their markets though.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 3h3 hours ago
And now ESPN is offering ACC an additional $45m per year on their contract with absence of ACCN. That's $3m per school.

Mountaineer Steve ‏@Mountaineer_Ste 6m6 minutes agoIrmo, SC
@MH ver3 Again, the fact that the ACC is just an overlap of BIG and SEC, it is cheaper and better for ESPN to let ACC go bye bye.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 3h3 hours ago
That still won't be enough to get an updated GOR according to my sources.

 

[Dooley]

You might not need UCF or USF. If the B12 added UConn and Cincinnati/BYU and launched a network, that would more-than-likely seal the deal on an ACCN never launching. When the ACC disbands, UL, Clemson, Miami/FSU (whoever the SEC doesn't take) and someone else would go to the B12. Quick and easy way to get to 16 without being forced into adding fringe directional Florida schools with poor academics and mediocre athletics.

 

[CL82]

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 3h3 hours ago
And now ESPN is offering ACC an additional $45m per year on their contract with absence of ACCN. That's $3m per school.

Mountaineer Steve ‏@Mountaineer_Ste 6m6 minutes agoIrmo, SC
@MH ver3 Again, the fact that the ACC is just an overlap of BIG and SEC, it is cheaper and better for ESPN to let ACC go bye bye.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 3h3 hours ago
That still won't be enough to get an updated GOR according to my sources.

I know MH ver isn't a credible source but...

Does this remind anyone else of the Big East turning down the last ESPN offer? We all know what happened next.

I can envision FSU and Clemson leading charge to turn down the offer replete with the knowledge that they'll have a soft landing if the whole s.h.i.t house goes up in flames.

 

[NYUConn]

You might not need UCF or USF. If the B12 added UConn and Cincinnati/BYU and launched a network, that would more-than-likely seal the deal on an ACCN never launching. When the ACC disbands, UL, Clemson, Miami/FSU (whoever the SEC doesn't take) and someone else would go to the B12. Quick and easy way to get to 16 without being forced into adding fringe directional Florida schools with poor academics and mediocre athletics.

This has to happen first. I don't believe for a second that anyone is leaving the ACC for the Big 12 without a Big 12 network firmly in place.

All that being said, the lack of an ACC Network is very telling.

 

[Dooley]

This has to happen first. I don't believe for a second that anyone is leaving the ACC for the Big 12 without a Big 12 network firmly in place.

All that being said, the lack of an ACC Network is very telling.

Completely agree. In my opinion, there is only enough interest (and dollars) to launch 1 more conference network. The B12 and ACC are in a race of sorts. If the B12 is smart and adds schools based on markets (UConn plus either Cinci or BYU) and can launch their B12N first, then they will be the prime soft landing spot for schools like Clemson, Louisville, Miami/FSU, etc. Then the B12 can really boost its football profile with those additions, in addition to penetrating FL recruiting without having to add any lightweight directional FL schools.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 4h4 hours ago
Boren tells Bowlsby that a Longhorn branded B12 network isn't gonna fly. Says UT can keep the branding in their markets though.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 3h3 hours ago
And now ESPN is offering ACC an additional $45m per year on their contract with absence of ACCN. That's $3m per school.

Mountaineer Steve ‏@Mountaineer_Ste 6m6 minutes agoIrmo, SC
@MH ver3 Again, the fact that the ACC is just an overlap of BIG and SEC, it is cheaper and better for ESPN to let ACC go bye bye.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 3h3 hours ago
That still won't be enough to get an updated GOR according to my sources.

This guy has to be trolling us now. He puts one tweet that is good news for UConn with 3 ACC Apocalypse tweets that are total fantasies.

 

[billybud]

I know MH ver isn't a credible source but...

Does this remind anyone else of the Big East turning down the last ESPN offer? We all know what happened next.

I can envision FSU and Clemson leading charge to turn down the offer replete with the knowledge that they'll have a soft landing if the whole s.h.i.t house goes up in flames.

FSU's athletic department revenue ($121.3 million) is already more than any in the Big 12 save Oklahoma and Texas...Do you think a bump of $6-$10 million (5-9%) is enough to entice a program to leave its rivalries. play west of the Mississippi, out of the alumni footprint, and away from the east coast recruiting areas?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...sports-sec-big-ten-dominate-100m-revenue-club

 

[CallMeBruce]

FSU's athletic department revenue ($121.3 million) is already more than any in the Big 12 save Oklahoma and Texas...Do you think a bump of $6-$10 million (5-9%) is enough to entice a program to leave its rivalries. play west of the Mississippi, out of the alumni footprint, and away from the east coast recruiting areas?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...sports-sec-big-ten-dominate-100m-revenue-club

Yeah, I can't imagine that FSU would find Texas recruiting appealing at all.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Do you think a bump of $6-$10 million (5-9%) is enough to entice a program to leave its rivalries. play west of the Mississippi, out of the alumni footprint, and away from the east coast recruiting areas?

In FSU's case, absolutely. Why would you leave $6-$10 million on the table for (arguably) better football, and Texas recruiting on top of that?

 

[pj]

The ACC footprint that isn't shared with SEC or B1G (Virginia and North Carolina) is bigger than the B12 footprint that isn't shared with SEC or B1G (Oklahoma and Kansas).

If ESPN doesn't want to duplicate markets, then it seems natural to have the B1G and SEC raid Oklahoma, Kansas, Virginia, Va Tech, UNC, and Duke.

But then is there enough college content to go around to Fox sports network, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU? If networks go to the a la carte model the B1G is promoting, the major cable channels would have to pay up-to-date market rates for all content. It is probably easier to keep the house conferences (B12, ACC, AAC) around.

 

[pj]

In FSU's case, absolutely. Why would you leave $6-$10 million on the table for (arguably) better football, and Texas recruiting on top of that?

If east coast recruiting is important, just bring a few more ACC schools along with you.

 

[Deleted]

If east coast recruiting is important, just bring a few more ACC schools along with you.

Let's say that does happen, but they bring along Clemson and the Big12 only brings in these two. Let's also assume the B1G goes after UVA and UNC (maybe Duke and 1 other like G Tech). Do you ever see the Big East reuniting? Maybe because it's March and I'm filled with nostalgia and MSG. But do you think if a situation ever played out like that that the big east would ever reunite?

 

[CoastAtlantic]

Greg Fluguar@flugempire
https://post original url/EXJbFWSu5Y
Again...we have nothing to add. We would just refer you all to our Jan 3rd & Feb 15th tweets.
UC/UCONN to Big 12.

Let's say this...
Big 12 has to reform/expand/add CCG/..now...
...for it to survive past next contract.
East Coast Markets with $

Who are the available East Coast Markets with $?
UCONN.
Cincy
FLA - Orlando/Tampa.
ESPN not interested in B12N in FL....
UC/UCONN

We are here in the open...ready to be flamed if we are wrong.
We are not hiding.
We are not sending out different and confusing messages.

Our info comes from OU.
Through BTM
Confirmed by UCONN "people" on Jan 1st...and again on Feb 15th.
We stand by our declaration
UC/UCONN