Non-Key Tweets

[billybud]

The Dude is what he is...he also has been caught making up an alias and conversing with himself.

Once, he quoted a known FSU source who is an aquaintance of mine. I tweeted the aquaintance who tweeted back destroying the Dude's credibility...of course I posted the tweets to the WVU site.

 

[pj]

Who would the B12 raid from the Pac? Colorado who just left the B12 for the Pac?

 

[dayooper]

Who would the B12 raid from the Pac? Colorado who just left the B12 for the Pac?

The Dude says Arizona and Arizona State are options for the Big12. Da Dude of Da UP says, with as much knowledge of the situation as The Dude of WV has, that the Florida Gators and the Georgia Bulldogs are options to the Big10.

 

[Ldandy]

I am always skeptical of the ACC Apocalypse predictions.

Count me as another skeptic. Why would ESPN spend years trying to build up The ACC, only to turn around and destroy it? They sabotaged a viable entity in The Big East specifically to build this current version of the conference. A conference which by the way they now own nearly lock stock and barrel (save for Raycom's stake.) Why would they torpedo it in favor of The Little 12 with its * footprint?

ESPN could easily wait out The Big 12's GOR by not coming through with a network, and then harvest the handful of valuable organs from its lifeless body. UT gets independence and a ND Deal with The ACC. OU and KU get offered SEC Memberships. The rest of the low interest garbage footprint schools? Best of luck in The AAC, MWC or wherever. As they demonstrated with a better conference in The Big East, they don't care about finding homes for those left behind.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Count me as another skeptic. Why would ESPN spend years trying to build up The ACC, only to turn around and destroy it? They sabotaged a viable entity in The Big East specifically to build this current version of the conference. A conference which by the way they now own nearly lock stock and barrel (save for Raycom's stake.) Why would they torpedo it in favor of The Little 12 with its * footprint?

ESPN could easily wait out The Big 12's GOR by not coming through with a network, and then harvest the handful of valuable organs from its lifeless body. UT gets independence and a ND Deal with The ACC. OU and KU get offered SEC Memberships. The rest of the low interest garbage footprint schools? Best of luck in The AAC, MWC or wherever. As they demonstrated with a better conference in The Big East, they don't care about finding homes for those left behind.

Generally agree.

The issue for ESPN is Fox and which teams are more likely to bolt from the ACC or the XII to Fox's B1G network? For example, from the XII, the B1G looks to be definitely interested in Kansas, possibly Oklahoma (AAU issue) and maybe Texas (if the Long Horns learn how to share). From the ACC, the B1G is very interested in UVA, UNC, and G Tech likely interested in Duke (as a partner for UNC plus AAU/research dollars), maybe Florida St (AAU issue) and possibly V Tech (as an alternate to UVA). Which defections to the B1G/Fox would hurt ESPN the most? The answer will likely determine which conference that ESPN will try to support.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

It isn't a matter of the ACC (or B-12) being safe or facing imminent doom, it is a question of how things end up shaking out as the end game will have the B1G, SEC, Pac-XX and one additional conference representing the power schools.

The two best assets from the ACC/B-12 are both B-12 schools (UT & OU). After that are a number of ACC schools (arguably the next five or six), then another couple of schools from the B-12 with what's left being a whole lot of nothing.

The two schools that the B-12 would most likely prefer from the ACC (FAU & Clemson) really have nowhere else to go as the SEC wouldn't want the redundancy and the B1G would have little use for them. If some other school does agree to leave the ACC for the SEC or B1G, FSU and/or Clemson could easily jump to the B-12 for self preservation. That is what the B-12 is hoping for.

My guess is that this staring contest (which only benefits those that don't really belong in a power conference that do end up in one) will eventually end with some pooling of top assets between the ACC and B-12.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Generally agree.

The issue for ESPN is Fox and which teams are more likely to bolt from the ACC or the XII to Fox's B1G network? For example, from the XII, the B1G looks to be definitely interested in Kansas, possibly Oklahoma (AAU issue) and maybe Texas (if the Long Horns learn how to share). From the ACC, the B1G is very interested in UVA, UNC, and G Tech likely interested in Duke (as a partner for UNC plus AAU/research dollars), maybe Florida St (AAU issue) and possibly V Tech (as an alternate to UVA). Which defections to the B1G/Fox would hurt ESPN the most? The answer will likely determine which conference that ESPN will try to support.

The ACC is not going anywhere, and ACC schools are certainly not going to the Big 12. The only P5 conference in any level of danger is the Big 12, because Oklahoma has already threatened to leave. At the end of the day, I think there will be 5 major conferences for another 10 years or so, and then the marketplace may be so different that it is impossible to predict today.

 

[jostar1]

Tuxedo Yoda‏@TuxedoYoda
Oh boy, Big 12 expansion rumors will reach a whole new level of crazy this weekend.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Tuxedo Yoda‏@TuxedoYoda
Oh boy, Big 12 expansion rumors will reach a whole new level of crazy this weekend.

What did I miss? I've been quite busy for that last 24 hours, so anything is possible I suppose.

 

[dwalks93]

Yesterday I was on the Virginia Tech board and I was amazed to see how many Hokie fans truly believe an ACCN is coming. Assuming this feeling is prevalent across the entire ACC fan bases, it would be a mistake to underestimate the reaction if the ACC is not getting a network. I understand fans do not make policy but they do pressure an AD.

It is no longer the P5 but instead the N3 + P2. If the ACC gets shut out of a network it is not hard to imagine the ACC teams with options looking to the BIG or SEC. The most valuable teams then become the teams attractive to both the SEC/BIG so UNC, UVa and VT become the prime movers. Ironically the ACC football powers (FSU/Clemson) become less targeted due to redundant SEC markets and less competitive BIG academics. I know the traditional Tobacco Road schools are the heart of the ACC but the financial divide and changing ACC culture makes a compiling case for them to explore options.

Under this scenario, the ACC would not cease to exist but it would lose at least a couple of key members. I am not sure a P4 is the absolute final outcome (although it is a very strong possibility). Instead we could have the BIG/SEC/PAC poaching the ACC/Big12 programs they want with the BIG12 and ACC remaining primarily intact and drafting programs out of the G5 to restock.

The ACC would still be a huge step above the AAC but would remain perpetually financially subordinate to the SEC, BIG and PAC. Swofford has made a ton of public promises, and likely private promises, about an ACCN. I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect a backlash if it is does not happen.

 

[CL82]

What did I miss? I've been quite busy for that last 24 hours, so anything is possible I suppose.

Yoda had some free time on his hands so he consulted his source:

 

[jostar1]

Zach Hedges ‏@zthedges · 56m56 minutes ago
@flugempire Is your claim of UC/UConn based on solid info or personal opinion?


Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@zthedges

Solid info.

I'm open to being flamed if incorrect.

Tweets on Jan 3rd and Feb 15th tells the story.

No ambiguity on our part

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Yesterday I was on the Virginia Tech board and I was amazed to see how many Hokie fans truly believe an ACCN is coming. Assuming this feeling is prevalent across the entire ACC fan bases, it would be a mistake to underestimate the reaction if the ACC is not getting a network. I understand fans do not make policy but they do pressure an AD.

It is no longer the P5 but instead the N3 + P2. If the ACC gets shut out of a network it is not hard to imagine the ACC teams with options looking to the BIG or SEC. The most valuable teams then become the teams attractive to both the SEC/BIG so UNC, UVa and VT become the prime movers. Ironically the ACC football powers (FSU/Clemson) become less targeted due to redundant SEC markets and less competitive BIG academics. I know the traditional Tobacco Road schools are the heart of the ACC but the financial divide and changing ACC culture makes a compiling case for them to explore options.

Under this scenario, the ACC would not cease to exist but it would lose at least a couple of key members. I am not sure a P4 is the absolute final outcome (although it is a very strong possibility). Instead we could have the BIG/SEC/PAC poaching the ACC/Big12 programs they want with the BIG12 and ACC remaining primarily intact and drafting programs out of the G5 to restock.

The ACC would still be a huge step above the AAC but would remain perpetually financially subordinate to the SEC, BIG and PAC. Swofford has made a ton of public promises, and likely private promises, about an ACCN. I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect a backlash if it is does not happen.

No one is challenging a Grant of Rights, and no one outside of the moonshiners has ever claimed that the GOR was dependent on an ACC Network. Maybe something will happen to the ACC in 2025, but not until then.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

He and the Flug have been more accurate than the Dude in the past.

MH has not been accurate, at least Flug has a history of being somewhat so. He got the MD thing right before it was announced - it's pinned to the top of his account. He also doesn't post specific "I have heard X is going to happen on X date" NEARLY as much as Mh and Dude have. But he's by no means key.

 

[GG]

MH has not been accurate, at least Flug has a history of being somewhat so. He got the MD thing right before it was announced - it's pinned to the top of his account. He also doesn't post specific "I have heard X is going to happen on X date" NEARLY as much as Mh and Dude have. But he's by no means key.

I do not know if he broke it first, but I first read about RU to the Big 10 on MH'S Twitter page.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

I do not know if he broke it first, but I first read about RU to the Big 10 on MH'S Twitter page.

No wasn't him, it was about a settlement between the ACC and MD. He tweeted it here: That's from July 14, 2014 - it wasn't released to the public until early August. That type of correct scoop cannot be found from either Dude, MH, or any of the other twitter rumor-mongers.

 

[GG]

No wasn't him, it was about a settlement between the ACC and MD. He tweeted it here: That's from July 14, 2014 - it wasn't released to the public until early August. That type of correct scoop cannot be found from either Dude, MH, or any of the other twitter rumor-mongers.

I was not referring to Flug, I was referring to MH. Back when RU moved to the Big Ten, I first read it on his Twitter page. I could be misremembering come up but I thought it was him.

 

[dwalks93]

No one is challenging a Grant of Rights, and no one outside of the moonshiners has ever claimed that the GOR was dependent on an ACC Network. Maybe something will happen to the ACC in 2025, but not until then.

Perhaps you are right and no ACC program will challenge the GORs but saying it as an absolute does not make it so....GORs have never been challenged so no one knows what the likely outcome will be. That said, I have yet to see the threat of penalties or lawsuits hold a member in if they are determined to leave. Moreover, generally the settlements have been pennies on the dollar.

A school like UNC, UVa, perhaps even VT has nothing to worry about and can wait till 2025, they will have homes in the SEC/BIG. But what about a program like GT. GT is a fine academic school and a fine athletics program but it only has one conference with a network option, the BIG. Moreover, GT is probably not the BIG's first choice. If GT is offered a spot in the BIG in the next few years perhaps they'll feel compelled to jump while they have an offer.

The moonshiners may have an alternative motivation but some of their assessment of the ACC is valid. If the ACC does not get a network, the ACC likely will lose some programs. The only question is when.

Do you think if BC was offered a spot in the BIG tomorrow they would not jump? Some programs cannot afford to wait. No program is going to allow the threat of a GOR lawsuit to doom them to the G5.

 

[Ldandy]

What did I miss? I've been quite busy for that last 24 hours, so anything is possible I suppose.

LOL. I hope this was said in jest.

 

[don356]

The dude's talk show is the successor to Jethro Bodean's run as a Hollywood director in Beverly Hillbillies. His only problem is it's from his hilltop basement and he has no Uncle Jed or Milburn Drysdale.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

But what about a program like GT. GT is a fine academic school and a fine athletics program but it only has one conference with a network option, the BIG. Moreover, GT is probably not the BIG's first choice. If GT is offered a spot in the BIG in the next few years perhaps they'll feel compelled to jump while they have an offer.

G Tech should be safe. If the ACC stays intact, they will be fine there. If the ACC is fails, G Tech will go to the B1G. They have some football history and a good season or two of hoops; but, the are AAU (big research $$ in STEM), are the 8th largest TV market in the US, the Atlanta market from what I have been told is a huge alumni hub for the B1G (think of all of the OH & MI jobs that have moved to GA). Basically the 'Rutgers' of Atlanta with better sports (both schools are tied at #36 in the US News academic rankings).

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Perhaps you are right and no ACC program will challenge the GORs but saying it as an absolute does not make it so....GORs have never been challenged so no one knows what the likely outcome will be. That said, I have yet to see the threat of penalties or lawsuits hold a member in if they are determined to leave. Moreover, generally the settlements have been pennies on the dollar.

A school like UNC, UVa, perhaps even VT has nothing to worry about and can wait till 2025, they will have homes in the SEC/BIG. But what about a program like GT. GT is a fine academic school and a fine athletics program but it only has one conference with a network option, the BIG. Moreover, GT is probably not the BIG's first choice. If GT is offered a spot in the BIG in the next few years perhaps they'll feel compelled to jump while they have an offer.

The moonshiners may have an alternative motivation but some of their assessment of the ACC is valid. If the ACC does not get a network, the ACC likely will lose some programs. The only question is when.

Do you think if BC was offered a spot in the BIG tomorrow they would not jump? Some programs cannot afford to wait. No program is going to allow the threat of a GOR lawsuit to doom them to the G5.

If it was realistically possible to challenge a GOR, then UConn and Cincinnati would not be in the discussion for the Big 12. No conference or school is going to challenge the GOR.

 

[dwalks93]

If it was realistically possible to challenge a GOR, then UConn and Cincinnati would not be in the discussion for the Big 12. No conference or school is going to challenge the GOR.

No team is leaving the ACC for the Big 12 right now.The Big12 is less stable, less geographically attractive and can't pay significantly more money. Even if there were no GORs an ACC team would be foolish to leave for a non-network Big 12.

When the SEC/BIG expand and take teams from the G5 then I'll acknowledge the GORs are unchallengeable. Perhaps the GORs are the reason realignment has slowed or perhaps after the last round of expansion, the P5 conferences are still digesting their new acquisitions and are content to wait.

No question GORs are a factor but why do you think so many pundits are arguing against potential Big 12 expansion? Once the shooting begins again it may trigger a whole new war. The Big/SEC can wait till the ACC GORs expire in 2025 unless there is a fear their ACC target may go to another rival conference early.

IMO If the ACC doesn't get an ACCN the writing is on all the wall for some teams to leave. It may not happen immediately but someone will probably try to leave before 2025. BC's and Pitt's behavior in the old BE have shown the kind of double dealing which will occur when teams deem their current conference inferior. That said, if the ACC gets a network then the ACC is probably safe till at least 2025.

Swofford needs to deliver on his ACCN promise. If he doesn't...stand by

 

[billybud]

Flug probably picked up his info same place some of us did on Warchant....


The Honorable John R. Jolly, Jr., the Chief Special Superior Court Judge for Complex Business Cases for the North Carolina Business Court, signed the order appointing Bethesda, Maryland based neutral, Jonathan B. Marks, Esq., as the arbitrator. According to the order, mediation must be completed no later than July 10, or nine days after Maryland is scheduled to depart the conference. Mr. Mark’s decision will likely provide final resolution to this matter, as time is of the essence and there will only be substantially curtailed appeal opportunities. Like Mr. Marks, Joseph, Greenwald & Laake represents individuals and businesses when submitting disputes to arbitration or mediation. The Firm’s lawyers have appeared before all major arbitration tribunals and have represented clients in hundreds of mediations. Final resolution appears to be on the short term horizon.

 

[jostar1]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
B12 Update: Despite the rumors the Big 12 has not decided to expand nor have they picked additions.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
Big 12 expansion is dependent on a Big 12 network. No network means no expansion.

Mountaineer Steve ‏@Mountaineer_Ste · 2h2 hours ago  Irmo, SC
@theDudeofWV Have you spent time estimating revenue generated from BIG12N

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste This isn't complete. No expenses or out of market income included.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste UC & BYU markets nearly identical.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Expansion candidates include: BYU, UC, UCF, UCONN & USF. Those are the front runners according to sources.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Dark horse candidates still in the running but highly unlikely include Boise State, Col. State, Memphis & Houston.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
B12 sources say if expansion is feasible they will first approach a few P5 candidates to gauge their interest then G5 candidates.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Assuming a B12N is feasible it's not yet been determined if the Big 12 will add 2 or 4 schools.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
4 seems most likely given the need to fulfill Fox/ESPN broadcast appearances & populate network.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@KraigOlsen In every case of expansion conf have went to 12 for a CCG & 14 for a network.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
The B12's decision to expand will be based on the recommendations of BHV as to which combo adds the most value.