Non-Key Tweets

[coachcap]

Not a Tweet from me, but my good friend had dinner with Jim Calhoun last week and Coach said that he thinks UCONN to the B12 is happening.
I would have been at the dinner too had I not been in England for work last week.
So close yet so far for the me and The BY because I would have kindly dug Mr. Calhoun all dinner long for information.

Take it for what it's worth.

Next chance to grill Coach Jim is at the Franciscan Life Awards Banquet at the Aquaturf facility in Plantsville (Southington) next Tuesday. It's being hyped on the Gresh & Joe D. show & in both the N.H.Register & Hartford Courant Sports sections. Among the awardees are Tom Coughlin & UCONN baseball coach Jim Penders. Will the cat slip out of the bag then as the Big XII meetings are going on?

 

[coachcap]

Not a Tweet from me, but my good friend had dinner with Jim Calhoun last week and Coach said that he thinks UCONN to the B12 is happening.
I would have been at the dinner too had I not been in England for work last week.
So close yet so far for the me and The BY because I would have kindly dug Mr. Calhoun all dinner long for information.

Take it for what it's worth.

Next chance to grill Coach Jim is at the Franciscan Life Awards Banquet at the Aquaturf facility in Plantsville (Southington) next Tuesday. It's being hyped on the Gresh & Joe D. show & in both the N.H.Register & Hartford Courant Sports sections. Among the awardees are Tom Coughlin & UCONN baseball coach Jim Penders. Will the cat slip out of the bag then as the Big XII meetings are going on?

 

[CL82]

@coachcap I wonder if there will be any chance to ask Coach Calhoun about this in the near future?

 

[noeynox]

@coachcap I wonder if there will be any chance to ask Coach Calhoun about this in the new future?

Ask @coachcap when the next chance to grill coach Calhoun is?

 

[NYUConn]

Ask @coachcap when the next chance to grill coach Calhoun is?

You think it'll coincide with the Big 12 meetings?

 

[Afroabe224]

Not a Tweet from me, but my good friend had dinner with Jim Calhoun last week and Coach said that he thinks UCONN to the B12 is happening.
I would have been at the dinner too had I not been in England for work last week.
So close yet so far for the me and The BY because I would have kindly dug Mr. Calhoun all dinner long for information.

Take it for what it's worth.

Any chance said dinner was close in proximity to a car wash??

 

[CoastAtlantic]

SXM College Sports‏@SiriusXMCollege
. @TTuberville tells us that if the Big 12 doesn't expand it will implode. He doesn't think it will stay status quo.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 9h9 hours ago
Greg Flugaur Retweeted SXM College Sports

https://mobile.twitter.com/SiriusXMCollege/status/735458422892691456… BTM said the same thing at last dinner.. If UT does not pull trigger on reform (exp..ect) they will lead implosion

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 9h9 hours ago
Greg Flugaur Retweeted Greg Flugaur

https://mobile.twitter.com/flugempire/status/735460312384692225… B12 Status Quo is no longer an option.... Reform or implode. Riding with 10 with no CCG days are over.

Zach Hedges ‏@zthedges 8h8 hours ago
@flugempire But will interim presidents (TT, KSU, BU) be willing to vote on such an important issue next week?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@zthedges No probably not. No meaningful votes will happen next...but if Reform doesn't take place blend of year..B12 will implode.

 

[hardcorehusky]

Disagree. Don't think for a second that FSU and Clemson (FSU in particular since they only joined in the last 25 years) have any loyalty to the ACC. If the Big 12 can get their act together and offer a better pay day those schools will be gone in a second.

Top to bottom right now the Big 12 is head and shoulders above the ACC. Do you think FSU and Clemson would rather be playing BC, Cuse and Pitt when they could be facing TCU, Kansas State and Oklahoma State?

FSU and Clemson like the easier path to the final 4 of football. That is the only thing they like about the ACC. I am sure they aren't excited about playing Oklahoma et al- the path is much more difficult.

This is, of course, opposite of BC, who collects checks with no regard to winning.

 

[ElGuapo]

Any chance said dinner was close in proximity to a car wash??

My friend won an 8 person dinner table through a charity auction that included Coach and his wife.
Jeff was Coach's guest instead.
So my friend and 5 guests.
I was offered the last seat at the table but had to turn it down due to my work trip.
That night would have meant the world.
Oh well.
That's the report back I heard today.

 

[SubbaBub]

The question is will there be a next domino & when? It's easy to say "of course the SEC & B1G will expand" because expansion means more dollars. At this point, they have created such a separation between themselves and the other 3 conferences that they now make the rules. They can decide when & for the most part with whom they will add when the time comes.

While we have all been saying that the 1st conference between the ACC & B12 to get a network is the one who survives the stark reality is that in order to start a network someone needs to finance it. If neither Fox or ESPN are willing to pony up the cash necessary then there are no new networks. FOX is already contracted with the B12 & is going to have 50% of the B1G broadcasts going forward. ESPN shares the B12 with FOX and owns almost all (except for Raycom) of the ACC. Why would either of them commit more money for a network when they already own the rights?

While UConn desperately needs something to happen, there is more of a likelihood that nothing happens and the status quo remains

There are many potential triggers. The last one chronologically would be the next B1G contract. If there is money to be made and the huge gap we anticipate between the P2 and everyone else, then it will go down then. Prior to that happening any number of schools/conferences could and likely will react to the lack of networks or specifically additional revenue to the teams in the ACC and B12.

No B12N, OU is looking.
No ACCN, FSU is definitely looking as are a few others out of the self preservation fear that split the Big East.
The permutations are numerous. Any whiff of a P5 school moving will start a run.

 

[NYUConn]

FSU and Clemson like the easier path to the final 4 of football. That is the only thing they like about the ACC. I am sure they aren't excited about playing Oklahoma et al- the path is much more difficult.

This is, of course, opposite of BC, who collects checks with no regard to winning.

You could be right, but of the checks are bigger in the Big 12 they will take a step up in competition any day.

 

[Charley Horse]

None of that gives even an ounce of possibility of giving the Sooners their own network. None. Why do people double down on nonsensical statements.

The only way OU is getting more money than ISU or KSU is if they demand a disproportionate share of existing TV revenues and threaten to leave if they don't get it. Do they have anywhere to go? I doubt it. But they can certainly try for that. But a network? LOL.

Forgive me for being abstruse. I'll try to make it very clear.

If you think the LHN was simply about ESPN foolishly overpaying one school for its content, then it it would be difficult for you to believe they would make the same blunder again (even on a much smaller scale) by paying OU more than they are already getting for their Tier 3 content.

If, however, you understand that the LHN deal was really about ESPN keeping the Big 12 together and its most valuable content out of the hands of ESPN's competitors then you may begin to realize how much of a bargain it would be for ESPN to pay one school a few million more per year than to negotiate a deal big enough to pay two G5 schools P5 money - especially when you already own the content of those two schools.

 

[Charley Horse]

Think about it.

You're ESPN. You kept the Big 12 together and its most lucrative assets (Texas & OU) out of the Pac-12 (where their content would be out of your hands) in 2010 by deliberately overpaying for its tier 1 and tier 2 rights and Texas' tier 3 rights.

Now, 6 years later, OU demands a network, expansion and a championship game and expects you to fork out even more money to make it happen or they're going to walk - not to the SEC where you would still own their content, but to the B1G where you wouldn't, thus setting off a chain of events that could send Texas to the Pac and leave you owning the content of a seriously devalued conference.

Then you begin to suspect, OU isn't really that gung ho on expansion. They just resent the LHN.

So what are you going to do if you're ESPN?

Pay at least $50 million more per year so the Big 12 can expand (and possibly alienate Texas in the process)?

Or pay OU an extra $5 million per year for tier 3 content so they can feel better about themselves, the Big 12, Texas and the LHN?

Honestly, I don't see what's so hard to understand.

I dont like it, UConn fans can't like it but does it not make sense?

 

[Charley Horse]

Doubling down on nonsense my ass.

 

[HuskyHawk]

FSU and Clemson like the easier path to the final 4 of football. That is the only thing they like about the ACC. I am sure they aren't excited about playing Oklahoma et al- the path is much more difficult.

This is, of course, opposite of BC, who collects checks with no regard to winning.

That's not the only thing they like. FSU is on record saying the academic status of the ACC is important to them. Both schools like playing games closer to home. Neither of them want to join the Big 12, that's just WVU moonshine wishful thinking. The truth is that WVU would love to leave the Big 12 for the ACC. They'll never admit it, since the ACC rejected them once already.

The ACC is more stable than the Big 12. They may both survive, but I don't think the ACC is getting raided or is going away. If ESPN needs to prop up one of the ACC or Big 12, it will pick the ACC.

 

[noeynox]

@Charley Horse you also have to take into consideration that the LHN is losing bug time money, not just what they're paying UT, AND your asking them to double down on that with OUR. Not to mention OU 3rd tier rights are owned by Fox. The reality is there is hope that transitioning to a big 12 network means they are actually making money and not bleeding out. No conference network or at least a plan to realistically launch one and the big 12 should stand pat.

 

[Hoophound]

Forgive me for being abstruse. I'll try to make it very clear.

If you think the LHN was simply about ESPN foolishly overpaying one school for its content, then it it would be difficult for you to believe they would make the same blunder again (even on a much smaller scale) by paying OU more than they are already getting for their Tier 3 content.

If, however, you understand that the LHN deal was really about ESPN keeping the Big 12 together and its most valuable content out of the hands of ESPN's competitors then you may begin to realize how much of a bargain it would be for ESPN to pay one school a few million more per year than to negotiate a deal big enough to pay two G5 schools P5 money - especially when you already own the content of those two schools.

Not really, the network would make more money for everyone or it wouldn't come to fruition. The thing you need to understand from our perspective is that aside from Texas, Oklahoma and maybe Kansas, there are no schools in the Big 12 that bring any real value to a network. UConn on the other hand, brings tons of value to a network and we know it to be true because of our contract with SNY. This whole thing really comes down to how serious the Big 12 is about getting a network. UConn and BYU probably make the most sense if that is the goal. I'm not sure if Cincinnati can pull enough weight economically, due to being in Ohio State's shadow, but I could be wrong. To your point, we can pull our own weight. The problem is 7-8 of the Big 12 schools can't. Those schools should see the value in expansion, especially with a program in a major market with no competition and a national brand, basketball or not.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Think about it.

You're ESPN. You kept the Big 12 together and its most lucrative assets (Texas & OU) out of the Pac-12 (where their content would be out of your hands) in 2010 by deliberately overpaying for its tier 1 and tier 2 rights and Texas' tier 3 rights.

Now, 6 years later, OU demands a network, expansion and a championship game and expects you to fork out even more money to make it happen or they're going to walk - not to the SEC where you would still own their content, but to the B1G where you wouldn't, thus setting off a chain of events that could send Texas to the Pac and leave you owning the content of a seriously devalued conference.

Then you begin to suspect, OU isn't really that gung ho on expansion. They just resent the LHN.

So what are you going to do if you're ESPN?

Pay at least $50 million more per year so the Big 12 can expand (and possibly alienate Texas in the process)?

Or pay OU an extra $5 million per year for tier 3 content so they can feel better about themselves, the Big 12, Texas and the LHN?

Honestly, I don't see what's so hard to understand.

I dont like it, UConn fans can't like it but does it not make sense?

Nope. It doesn't make sense. Every school in the Big 12 already keeps its own T3 rights. OU's deal for those rights is with Fox. It was a 10 year deal signed in 2012. Since OU can't support a network with its fan base, any such Network would be a complete waste of time. Even LHN gets pretty weak carriage fees ( 35-40 cents, in Texas), which is why it is a disaster. It won't be renewed.

There are two options here. Each school sells its own media rights, or they band together as conferences. It used to be that each school did it, and that went away for everyone but Notre Dame. The switch to conference pooled media deals is the very thing that drove conference consolidations and expansion. Does that mean that they share with less valuable schools? Yes, just as the Dallas Cowboys and New England Patriots share with the Buffalo Bills and Jax Jaguars. But in every case, it's more than they would get on their own anyway. Even Notre Dame at this point, would make more money joining the ACC (which would increase its payout accordingly).

 

[auggie22]

Think about it.

You're ESPN. You kept the Big 12 together and its most lucrative assets (Texas & OU) out of the Pac-12 (where their content would be out of your hands) in 2010 by deliberately overpaying for its tier 1 and tier 2 rights and Texas' tier 3 rights.

Now, 6 years later, OU demands a network, expansion and a championship game and expects you to fork out even more money to make it happen or they're going to walk - not to the SEC where you would still own their content, but to the B1G where you wouldn't, thus setting off a chain of events that could send Texas to the Pac and leave you owning the content of a seriously devalued conference.

Then you begin to suspect, OU isn't really that gung ho on expansion. They just resent the LHN.

So what are you going to do if you're ESPN?

Pay at least $50 million more per year so the Big 12 can expand (and possibly alienate Texas in the process)?

Or pay OU an extra $5 million per year for tier 3 content so they can feel better about themselves, the Big 12, Texas and the LHN?

Honestly, I don't see what's so hard to understand.

I dont like it, UConn fans can't like it but does it not make sense?

This seems plausible to me. It is conventional wisdom that the LHN contract was precisely about keeping UT on ESPN. Why not do the same for OU if it means keeping them off of Fox?

 

[Charley Horse]

Not really, the network would make more money for everyone or it wouldn't come to fruition. The thing you need to understand from our perspective is that aside from Texas, Oklahoma and maybe Kansas, there are no schools in the Big 12 that bring any real value to a network. UConn on the other hand, brings tons of value to a network and we know it to be true because of our contract with SNY. This whole thing really comes down to how serious the Big 12 is about getting a network. UConn and BYU probably make the most sense if that is the goal. I'm not sure if Cincinnati can pull enough weight economically, due to being in Ohio State's shadow, but I could be wrong. To your point, we can pull our own weight. The problem is 7-8 of the Big 12 schools can't. Those schools should see the value in expansion, especially with a program in a major market with no competition and a national brand, basketball or not.

I agree that UConn brings value and I would love to see them become a part of the Big 12.

 

[Charley Horse]

This seems plausible to me. It is conventional wisdom that the LHN contract was precisely about keeping UT on ESPN. Why not do the same for OU if it means keeping them off of Fox?

Exactly. Thank you, Auggie.

 

[CL82]

Forgive me for being abstruse. I'll try to make it very clear.

If you think the LHN was simply about ESPN foolishly overpaying one school for its content, then it it would be difficult for you to believe they would make the same blunder again (even on a much smaller scale) by paying OU more than they are already getting for their Tier 3 content.

If, however, you understand that the LHN deal was really about ESPN keeping the Big 12 together and its most valuable content out of the hands of ESPN's competitors then you may begin to realize how much of a bargain it would be for ESPN to pay one school a few million more per year than to negotiate a deal big enough to pay two G5 schools P5 money - especially when you already own the content of those two schools.

First, excellent use of "abstruse."

I believe that LHN deal was all about keeping the Big 12 intact. I do think that ESPN felt that it would be more profitable, and thus less costly, than it actually turned out to be. I do not believe that they will do it again. The LHN was perceived, at the time, to be a cost effective way to prop up the Big 12. That doesn't mean that a "Sooner Network" would be viewed in the same way, particularly after the LHN has been a bust for ESPN.

 

[businesslawyer]

Doubling down on nonsense my ass.

No, totally factual.

I am not saying that ESPN can't decide that the XII is worth more money to keep it from coming apart, nor am I saying that Oklahoma can't argue that it should get that additional money because it is the one school making a disproportionate sacrifice. All that is rational. Highly unlikely but irrational. It's only your holding on to the delusion that this will be accomplished by a new network where there is simply not the market to justify it that is causing the criticism.

If ESPN is willing to cough up more money just for OU, and the XII is willing to let OU take it, more power to them both. I don't think you will see it because once that door is open conferences as we know them fall apart, and we will either move to a national superconference or to the Bamas and Michigans demanding that each school get to sell their own content, but so be it.

And, fwiw, being a UConn fans has nothing to do with your concept being stupid. It's just as stupid if I'm a Michigan fan or an Ivy League fan or a SEC fan. I have no idea if expansion is or was close to happening and taken very little of this babble seriously.

 

[Sea Goat]

No, totally factual.

I am not saying that ESPN can't decide that the XII is worth more money to keep it from coming apart, nor am I saying that Oklahoma can't argue that it should get that additional money because it is the one school making a disproportionate sacrifice. All that is rational. Highly unlikely but irrational. It's only your holding on to the delusion that this will be accomplished by a new network where there is simply not the market to justify it that is causing the criticism.

If ESPN is willing to cough up more money just for OU, and the XII is willing to let OU take it, more power to them both. I don't think you will see it because once that door is open conferences as we know them fall apart, and we will either move to a national superconference or to the Bamas and Michigans demanding that each school get to sell their own content, but so be it.

And, fwiw, being a UConn fans has nothing to do with your concept being stupid. It's just as stupid if I'm a Michigan fan or an Ivy League fan or a SEC fan. I have no idea if expansion is or was close to happening and taken very little of this babble seriously.

So far the disparity in contribution has not led to meaningful disparity in distribution at the P-5 conference level. I can see a smoldering ember or two as a precursor to intra-conference turmoil, though. How long will each of the P-5 conferences big producers put up with socialism on the distribution side? Not long, I predict unless there is a specific non-performance related reason (cable boxes ala Rutgers) for doing so.

 

[TRest]

So far the disparity in contribution has not led to meaningful disparity in distribution at the P-5 conference level. I can see a smoldering ember or two as a precursor to intra-conference turmoil, though. How long will each of the P-5 conferences big producers put up with socialism on the distribution side? Not long, I predict unless there is a specific non-performance related reason (cable boxes ala Rutgers) for doing so.

The original BE football conference had unequal revenue distribution, with the schools making the bigger bowls able to keep more of the kitty. I remember Tranghese offering UM a guaranteed amount per year (well beyond what anyone else would get) in a last-ditch effort to prevent it from going to the ACC. I half-expect any expansion by the B12 with G5 schools to be for unequal revenue sharing for a long period of time.

 

[pj]

The original BE football conference had unequal revenue distribution, with the schools making the bigger bowls able to keep more of the kitty. I remember Tranghese offering UM a guaranteed amount per year (well beyond what anyone else would get) in a last-ditch effort to prevent it from going to the ACC. I half-expect any expansion by the B12 with G5 schools to be for unequal revenue sharing for a long period of time.

As long as the exit fee and GoR are diminished in strength proportionately with the payout, that's fine. UConn can build up its football stature in the B12 and, if the B12 won't normalize payouts, leave for a better geographic and cultural fit at a later time.

 

[TRest]

As long as the exit fee and GoR are diminished in strength proportionately with the payout, that's fine. UConn can build up its football stature in the B12 and, if the B12 won't normalize payouts, leave for a better geographic and cultural fit at a later time.

Guess who is in no position to dictate terms?

 

[pj]

Guess who is in no position to dictate terms?

UConn is in a position to dictate that proportionality. It can't accept a permanently impaired position (G5 level payout with P5 level bars against exit). UConn is far more valuable than any other G5 property in a world in which cable networks provide most of the revenue. There is no need to surrender abjectly.

 

[TRest]

UConn is in a position to dictate that proportionality. It can't accept a permanently impaired position (G5 level payout with P5 level bars against exit). UConn is far more valuable than any other G5 property in a world in which cable networks provide most of the revenue. There is no need to surrender abjectly.

I hope you are right, or even better, we get the same deal that WVU and TCU got (minus WVU having to borrow the exit fee $ and pay it back to the B12).

 

[CoastAtlantic]

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
Gee got his information packet this morning for the expansion meeting. I'm hearing it's good news for B12 $$

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
There's not a team listed that doesn't add value

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
TV contract value won't be as immediate but controlling a larger market will mean big $$ for next go round.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
The network money report is a bit disappointing because it has a long wait time for maximum profit

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
Due to t3 content on most schools being under long contracts.

Josh King ‏@paxaddad 1h1 hour ago
@MH ver3 What effect does Starr being ousted have on any expansion talks?

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
@paxaddad Starr hasn't quite been fired yet. Briles firing may save him. Ytbd

nathanmills ‏@nathanmills 1h1 hour ago
@MH ver3 any ranking of, and the amount of, value of each?

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
@nathanmills there is but I don't know the specifics yet.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
Even with the longer wait for maximum profitability B12N will dwarf Pac12N in only two years after launch.

C.L.H. ‏@calluke1 1h1 hour ago
@MH ver3 What are the top schools listed?

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
@calluke1 don't know specifics yet but if it is the same I had heard last it will be BYU, UC, UConn, Memphis, UCF, and ECU

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
@calluke1 possibly CSU and UH

Trevor Chase ‏@frezinhott 1h1 hour ago
@MH ver3 Why wouldn't the T1 TV contract be affected? If the #Big12 expands, the T1 TV contract would have to be renegotiated.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 50m50 minutes ago
@frezinhott no it's pro rata.

Trevor Chase ‏@frezinhott 32m32 minutes ago
@MH ver3 There is a rumor that Fox/ESPN have told Bob Bowlsby they would reopen the Big 12 TV contract should the Big 12 expand.

Trevor Chase ‏@frezinhott 31m31 minutes ago
@MH ver3 They would require a 7 year extension on the current contract that expires in 2023-24 and a matching extension on the Big 12 GoR.

Trevor Chase ‏@frezinhott 1h1 hour ago
@MH ver3 Also, adding large markets does not necessarily facilitate increasing T1 revenue. Just ask the ACC.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 50m50 minutes ago
@frezinhott oh but it did.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 48m48 minutes ago
Baylor isn't out of the woods yet. I'm hearing lots more to come out about improper benefits and could see heavy ncaa sanctions.

Corneilus Green ‏@CGreen63 20h20 hours ago
@MH ver3 Ken Starr isn't going anywhere and your info is always sketchy

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 19h19 hours ago
@CGreen63 he will still be involved with Baylor but not in same capacity.

Corneilus Green ‏@CGreen63 19h19 hours ago
@MH ver3 Doubt your info

Frank ‏@mugtang 1h1 hour ago
@CGreen63 @MH ver3 Ken Starr was reassigned to the role of Chancellor and will teach law. No longer president. Seems info was accurate.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 48m48 minutes ago
@mugtang there is a petition to keep him as prez and he still could be reinstated.

Frank ‏@mugtang 47m47 minutes ago
@MH ver3 how Start can remain president.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 45m45 minutes ago
@mugtang McCaw may yet resign too.

Frank ‏@mugtang 44m44 minutes ago
@MH ver3 I read he was put on probation.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 44m44 minutes ago
@mugtang he was. But there is a rumor he may resign.

Frank ‏@mugtang 43m43 minutes ago
@MH ver3 oh. Maybe it would be best to simply nuke the Baylor football program and start over.

Frank ‏@mugtang 1h1 hour ago
@CGreen63 @MH ver3

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 52m52 minutes ago
@mugtang @CGreen63 he blocked me too

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 45m45 minutes ago
I stand by my previous statement: if B12 adds 4 it will be Uconn and UC in all sports and UCF and BYU in FB only.

AZ ‏@azescobar1 46m46 minutes ago
@MH ver3 - good man- to clarify, UConn over BYU in that same order?

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 45m45 minutes ago
@azescobar1 yes. But that's overall. BYU adds most value in football.

AZ ‏@azescobar1 27m27 minutes ago
@MH ver3 - True. I know multiple variables are at play- I think the underestimated part is that UConn could grow into a real FB power in a P5

Gil Lopez ‏@GilLopez3 40m40 minutes ago
@MH ver3 UConn brings nothing. They do not have NY market, nor Boston market which they are closer to. Headache to travel to Stoors.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 38m38 minutes ago
@GilLopez3 Uconn absolutely brings NY market. Historically they do in basketball and they are almost as watched as Rutgers is in FB

Gil Lopez ‏@GilLopez3 36m36 minutes ago
@MH ver3 Links? BBall is correct. No football eyes. Low #'s.

Mountaineer Steve ‏@Mountaineer_Ste 39m39 minutes agoIrmo, SC
@MH ver3 You can't make a prediction without a expiration date.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 39m39 minutes ago
@Mountaineer_Ste if they add 4 this go around. So expiration date this fall.

Mountaineer Steve ‏@Mountaineer_Ste 35m35 minutes agoIrmo, SC
@MH ver3 OK, going to hold you to it.