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[CL82]

The flip side is they may not be shelling out that money if there were serious talks going on with the XII either... It kinda says desperation to me. Like they're on the outside looking in and they're making a last ditch effort to get noticed.

Disagree. The lesson of the Louisville debacle is that "it ain't over til it's over." Susan won't make the same mistake twice.

 

[MattMang23]

Disagree. The lesson of the Louisville debacle is that "it ain't over til it's over." Susan won't make the same mistake twice.

I hope you're right.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

Ringneck85 ‏@Ringneck85
@MH ver3 assuming all info is correct that would most likely mean FSU, Miami, Clemson, Louisville, Pitt, & Cuse to B12 and no Cincy & Uconn?

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
@Ringneck85 no. Cincy and Uconn will be 11 and 12. That needs to happen sooner than ACC issues will come to head

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
@Ringneck85 gets network off the ground.

 

[Exit 4]

So to summarize.

• B12 adds UConn and UC to launch B12N in May/June
• ESPN offers $2M per school to ACC for failure to deliver ACCN which is rejected this summer
• ACC invalidates GOR over failed ACCN
• B1G moves to raid ACC for UVA/UNC/Duke/GT/BC and maybe ND for a 20 team conf
• SEC adds NC/VT
• B12 takes FS/Clem to go to 16 and maybe LV/Pitt/Syracuse/Miami to get to 20.

Gee, the contest for seats in 17 - 20 in the B12 could be ugly. All the same rules will apply - cableboxes!

 

[Seaa Blue]

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/hc-uconn-men-notebook-0302-20160301-story.html

Per the above, the ad cost $11,000.

If there is a NDA in place, $11K seems below the threshold at which Susan would veto UConn's marketing department (and cause speculation as to why).

Further, if it was that big of deal, Ollie probably would/should have been contacted

UConn coach Kevin Ollie was unaware of the ad before it appeared, and, though he was not available for comment Tuesday, it is safe to assume he is not happy about it. He has a long, close friendship with SMU coach Larry Brown.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I am always skeptical of the ACC Apocalypse predictions.

 

[dayooper]

I am always skeptical of the ACC Apocalypse predictions.

I am too. That being said, this moonshiner a scenario is the most plausible yet. If the Big12 gets a network and if the ACC gets nothing AND IF there is an out clause, then I do think the ACC is toast. That's a lot of ifs and a lot of moonshine in his scenario.

 

[dwalks93]

LAT@letsgomtnrs
@MH ver3 I thought the ACC already had a GoR??

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
@letsgomtnrs they do but it is contingent on ESPN launching the ACCN. It has a backdoor.

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
Just to clarify: ACC GOR would not be an extension of the current GOR but a new GOR entirely with no backdoor clause hinging on ACCN launch

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
The current ESPN contract always stated that of no network was launched then the deal and GOR would be reworked within a certain time period

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
And the time is up

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
ESPN is already losing $$ on current ACC deal and would be losing more by giving more $$

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
Back when ACC was making $14m per school and it looked like FSU and Clemson were leaving ESPN threw more $& at ACC

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
Then the cord cutting started in earnest and profits began to plummet and cuts were made

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
Now ESPN has backed itself in a corner and it is cheaper to thrown$30m per year at ACC than to lose way more trying to launch a network

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
B12N is only feasible to ESPN because it would use the existing LHN infrastructure and LHN already has carriage in heart of B12

Brad Weiss ‏@UConnPittDad 56m56 minutes ago
@MH ver3 is UCONN is squarly in the mix?

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 54m54 minutes ago
@UConnPittDad yes. Very much so. Vital market for a conference network to obtain.

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
ESPN was in a position where it was going to have to pay the old BigEast a big payday to keep the rights because the ratings were there

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
Instead they used ACC to destroy BE and now it is looking like it is the ACC's time to take the fall

Ringneck85 ‏@Ringneck85 50m50 minutes ago
@MH ver3 assuming all info is correct that would most likely mean FSU, Miami, Clemson, Louisville, Pitt, & Cuse to B12 and no Cincy & Uconn?

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
ESPN gets most of what they want with B12 and SEC

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
And buys some of what they want from B10.

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
And then they have some of the PAC for the games no one outside of California gives a damn about.

chitownsundevil ‏@chitownsundevil 58m58 minutes ago
@MH ver3 Lame

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
@chitownsundevil yeah but it's mostly true. And California is a big TV market so there's that.

chitownsundevil ‏@chitownsundevil 42m42 minutes ago
@MH ver3 Phoenix, Seattle, Las Vegas, Denver, Portland...

What am I missing here with this quote "MH ver3‏@MH ver3 Now ESPN has backed itself in a corner and it is cheaper to thrown$30m per year at the ACC than to lose way more trying to launch a network"

If ESPN was losing money on the current ACC contract why would they add more money to a new ACC contract? Sure ESPN might not give the ACC a network but if ESPN was losing money then ESPN would want the ACC to collapse thus voiding the contract. Allowing the GORs to expire would work in ESPN's favor.

Right now I am truly terrified that some moonshine drinking mountain man is outthinking me. It is the like intellectual equivalence of "Deliverance." Am I not seeing something? And if someone writes I have a pretty mouth I am totally going to freak out.

 

[jostar1]

What am I missing here with this quote "MH ver3‏@MH ver3 Now ESPN has backed itself in a corner and it is cheaper to thrown$30m per year at the ACC than to lose way more trying to launch a network"

If ESPN was losing money on the current ACC contract why would they add more money to a new ACC contract? Sure ESPN might not give the ACC a network but if ESPN was losing money then ESPN would want the ACC to collapse thus voiding the contract. Allowing the GORs to expire would work in ESPN's favor.

Right now I am truly terrified that some moonshine drinking mountain man is outthinking me. It is the like intellectual equivalence of "Deliverance." Am I not seeing something? And if someone writes I have a pretty mouth I am totally going to freak out.

I've read on various message boards that the agreement all along was that if the ACC didn't get a network, then ESPN would pay them about $2 million per school. This isn't something new that MH V ER3 is just now posting. I don't know if it is true.

 

[MattMang23]

He read it on the Boneyard

 

[CoastAtlantic]

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
Instead they used ACC to destroy BE and now it is looking like it is the ACC's time to take the fall

Ringneck85 ‏@Ringneck85 4h4 hours ago
@MH ver3 assuming all info is correct that would most likely mean FSU, Miami, Clemson, Louisville, Pitt, & Cuse to B12 and no Cincy & Uconn?

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 2h2 hours ago
@Ringneck85 no. Cincy and Uconn will be 11 and 12. That needs to happen sooner than ACC issues will come to head

John Enright ‏@johnenright43 2h2 hours ago
@MH ver3 @Ringneck85 @gampel_2_msg What about #BC, its not like they aren't trying and just are cashing in the checks? I kid, I kid....

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
@johnenright43 @Ringneck85 @gampel_2_msg BC will make out like a bandit due to ties with ND and Boston DMA

John Enright ‏@johnenright43 1h1 hour ago
@MH ver3 @Ringneck85 @gampel_2_msg that sucks......BC is so over rated, a midget throws a lucky pass and poof they are a major power? Lame

 

[DarthGrumpy]

I am too. That being said, this moonshiner a scenario is the most plausible yet. If the Big12 gets a network and if the ACC gets nothing AND IF there is an out clause, then I do think the ACC is toast. That's a lot of ifs and a lot of moonshine in his scenario.

And ignores the 500 lb gorilla that the LHN is. I suspect that Texas will not let be absorbed into a XII network as easy as some have us believe.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

ME: Because he just can't let someone else get all the attention now...

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
A reliable B12 source tells me OU wants BYU & UCONN. Texas wants FSU & Clemson or BYU & Either USF/UCF. 1/2

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
However both have agreed that a consensus based on the BHV report is the best approach. 2/2

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
It concerns me that BHV was the firm that advised the Big East on their TV deal just prior to the breakup. That's just me with BE PTSD.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
A B1G fan boy claims UC & UCONN are it because fox wants eastern content. Duh on the eastern content part.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
But Fox has no more say than ESPN. Just because Fox is the holder of many B12 T3 TV rights doesn't give them more say.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
Fox would make more $ by returning those rights & partnering with ESPN on a B12N. The economic incentive is there.

Mountaineer Steve@Mountaineer_Ste
@theDudeofWV and why would OU want UCONN OVER FSU, Clemson

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste Boren was around during the previous FSU fiasco. Fenves at Texas wasnt.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste Maybe because they are realistic?

Q Bailey/RetroSports ‏@southwvboy 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV damn no UC. I want a road game in my backyard.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
@southwvboy I never said UC was out. I said a particular president favored those schools but won't push them on the B12.

Zach Hedges ‏@zthedges 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV @southwvboy If it's all about markets then why not UC (Ohio) over BYU, especially if that's what Fox wants?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@zthedges @southwvboy Value may not be determined solely on DMA size. Certainly DMA rank will be significant factor but not the only one.

Q Bailey/RetroSports ‏@southwvboy 41m41 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV @zthedges what's DMA?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 14m14 minutes ago
@southwvboy @zthedges

Q Bailey/RetroSports ‏@southwvboy 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV yeah but those two normally get what they want.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
Anyway beginning in 2016 ESPN & Fox will draft B12 CFB games week by week & trade off 1st selection each week.

Todd Smith@meglasdad
@theDudeofWV Isn't Texas the reason we don't already have FSU & Clemson?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@meglasdad Deloss Dodds is the reason. That and the TV contract. Dodds thought he could get ND remember.

Zach Hedges@zthedges
@theDudeofWV @southwvboy If it's all about markets then why not UC (Ohio) over BYU, especially if that's what Fox wants?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@zthedges @southwvboy It's complicated. Expect a broad-based analysis with factors receiving different weights.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@zthedges @southwvboy Value may not be determined solely on DMA size. Certainly DMA rank will be significant factor but not the only one.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@zthedges @southwvboy That's why Temple isn't really a candidate... or Harvard... or old school in a huge DMA.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
Tomorrow I plan on having a heart-to-heart discussion with UC Bearcat fans. Where's the best place?

 

[CoastAtlantic]

And not to be left behind...

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Hi, @Epfourteen @theDudeofWV is having a fit right now. The guy is sending me emails tonight not believing Ono followed us on Jan 3rd. 1/2

E. Michael Kamp ‏@Epfourteen 2h2 hours ago
@flugempire @theDudeofWV I'm blocked so I can't respond to him. But he 100000% did. I have a screen shot. Stby

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
@Epfourteen @theDudeofWV
Thank you sir
Every couple weeks Dude comes out firing off emails...as he blocks everyone on twitter
All class



Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@Epfourteen Can you please set this @theDudeofWV straight and tell him we already declared UCONN/CINCY on Feb 15th...he says we didnt

E. Michael Kamp ‏@Epfourteen 1h1 hour ago
@flugempire @theDudeofWV

---- ‏@CincyGuy2009 2h2 hours ago
@Epfourteen @flugempire @theDudeofWV guys, quit hassling him, he's trying to enjoy his 3 year of wvu winning the SEC. Haters

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@CincyGuy2009 @Epfourteen @theDudeofWV

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
Dude is off sending me more emails. Can someone please distract him...give him something to do. Maybe send him a FSU to B12 rumor again.

 

[Adios]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
Tomorrow I plan on having a heart-to-heart discussion with UC Bearcat fans. Where's the best place?

He doesn't have insider knowledge on where to find Bearcats fans? You gotta be kidding me.

 

[MattMang23]

He doesn't have insider knowledge on where to find Bearcats fans? You gotta be kidding me.

It's hard when there aren't many.

 

[Fishy]

Does the Megabus go from Morgantown to Cincinnati?

 

[jostar1]

Zach Hedges ‏@zthedges · 5h5 hours ago
@MHr3 @Ringneck85 the Dude saying that if no FSU/Clemson, then Boren wants BYU/UConn and Texas wants BYU and either UCF/USF. Thoughts?

MH3‏@MH3
@zthedges @Ringneck85 BYU would be a great addition. Sadly not going to happen.

 

[HuskyHawk]

If she was really going to a BWW in CT during the tourney itd be way more crowded.

I like that she's kind of "Milfy". I think that's a valid adjective now, right?

 

[amory]

Does the Megabus go from Morgantown to Cincinnati?

Not sure, but the short bus probably does

 

[CL82]

If she was really going to a BWW in CT during the tourney itd be way more crowded.

...and if she was going during the March Madness it would be longer than a week.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

FatherOfRog ‏@MasterInsider 5h5 hours ago
@theDudeofWV There are far more BYU eyes on sets outside of Utah and in the US than there are in Utah. BYU markets can not be measured.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
@MasterInsider Exactly. Cannot be measured.

FatherOfRog ‏@MasterInsider 5h5 hours ago
@theDudeofWV Not everything can be fairly measured. If you know it is there and clearly more than double what can be measured - consider it.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
@MasterInsider I've tried to explain over & over again the way it works. No goodwill. It's strictly cable homes within a DMA.

Maximus ‏@IRaiseMyFlag 4h4 hours ago
@theDudeofWV @MasterInsider True but how is that diff from a DMA. It really isn't except one is geographic, the other is demographic.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
@IRaiseMyFlag @MasterInsider One can be charged a carriage fee the other can't.

Maximus ‏@IRaiseMyFlag 4h4 hours ago
@theDudeofWV @MasterInsider And LDS demographic'segment' has a higher propensity for product selection than a poly segmented geographic mkt.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
@IRaiseMyFlag @MasterInsider That's illegal and impossible.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
@IRaiseMyFlag @MasterInsider Do you think for one second that the Big 12 would resist charging every LDS household in the U.S. a premium fee

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
@IRaiseMyFlag @MasterInsider I agree with you on BYU's worth. I'm just explaining how the system works.

Maximus ‏@IRaiseMyFlag 4h4 hours ago
@theDudeofWV @MasterInsider Copy that.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
@IRaiseMyFlag @MasterInsider BYU has a better chance than most want to believe.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
@IRaiseMyFlag @MasterInsider Flugar and MHVER are absolutely 100% wrong when they say school A or school B is a lock. Don't listen to them.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
@IRaiseMyFlag @MasterInsider The Big 12 hasn't selected any schools. All we can do is guess what metrics will be more significant.

Maximus ‏@IRaiseMyFlag 4h4 hours ago
@theDudeofWV @MasterInsider There is a human dynamic that can't be fully ignored. Some will make the metrics say what they "want".

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
@IRaiseMyFlag @MasterInsider Data lies - at least on the superficial level. The B12 is going deep.... deep analytics.

Tobi_Sports ‏@Tobi_Sports 13h13 hours ago
@theDudeofWV just consider the value of Louisville to the central northern members of the big 12 why would Pitt trump their wants?

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
@Tobi_Sports Backyard Brawl I would think. WVU and Pitt have over 100 years of hate and equity in that rivalry.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
@IRaiseMyFlag @MasterInsider One of these guys claiming to know which schools are locks emailed me yesterday... this is long but telling.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
@IRaiseMyFlag @MasterInsider He said that Prez A of School X had followed him on Twitter thus proving his info was accurate.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
@IRaiseMyFlag @MasterInsider When pressed he provided a screenshot of a message board post from a 3rd party saying the Prez had followed.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
@IRaiseMyFlag @MasterInsider That's the standard those guys use. 3rd hand hearsay is good enough for them.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
@IRaiseMyFlag @MasterInsider The Prez he claimed was following him wasn't. His only proof was that screen shot of a message board post.

Maximus ‏@IRaiseMyFlag 4h4 hours ago
@theDudeofWV @MasterInsider I appreciate your objectivity. I trust that.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
@IRaiseMyFlag @MasterInsider Thanks...

MAC ‏@Bearcatmac 4h4 hours ago
@theDudeofWV @zthedges @tayjoyce88 Three P5s in Florida already and one in Ohio.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
@Bearcatmac @zthedges @tayjoyce88 Why can't we just wait until BHV does their thing?

torrs South ‏@gampel_2_msg 2h2 hours ago
@theDudeofWV @Bearcatmac @zthedges @tayjoyce88 I thought we were waiting on the data from two firms?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
@gampel_2_msg @Bearcatmac @zthedges @tayjoyce88 Yea... forgive my brevity.

Storrs South ‏@gampel_2_msg 1h1 hour ago
@theDudeofWV @Bearcatmac @zthedges @tayjoyce88 no problem. I just haven't heard about the other firm in a while

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Let me be clear on something and leave no doubt. The Big 12 hasn't made any decisions on expansion.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
That means the decision to expand hasn't been made nor have any schools been selected, offered or tabbed.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
The conference is focused on the issue of a network. Until that issue is resolved int he positive expansion is dead.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Anybody who tells you that school A or school B is the pick of the Big 12 has no idea what they are talking about.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Expansion is completely dead unless the Big 12 launches a network.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
If the Big 12 does launch a network they will ask certain P5 schools if they are interested first.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
That's just the way it is...

Doug ‏@NebGradDubDub 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV B12 contract guarantees 20 million per school added up to 12 teams. So expansion adds 40 million in TV + title game money.

Doug ‏@NebGradDubDub 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV so.....does OU really want to extend the GOR for that? We must assume reduced payouts for UC/BYU. The rest is for network costs

Doug ‏@NebGradDubDub 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV I'm still in the camp that a new B10 contract has a massive impact on whether OU/UT/KU like what they see with B12 future $$

J. Michael Young ‏@JMichaelYoung1 4h4 hours ago
@theDudeofWV I can't see the network issue getting resolved, since Texas fans have fallen in love with the LHN.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
@JMichaelYoung1 It will... I'm almost certain. Texas has already passed it on to ESPN to decide.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

Mountaineer Steve ‏@Mountaineer_Ste 6h6 hours agoIrmo, SC
@MH ver3 sending request again, do you have copy of current ACC GOR? I heard it had ACCN back door exit clause: fact or fiction?

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 35m35 minutes ago
@Mountaineer_Ste 3 different sources have confirmed that is a fact. Straight from ESPN mouth on one source from B12 meetings last month

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 34m34 minutes ago
@Mountaineer_Ste I do not have a copy

 

[CoastAtlantic]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 22m22 minutes ago
@zthedges the event alleged in this screenshot from a UC message board post did not occur.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 20m20 minutes ago
@zthedges When pressed for proof the individual named in the screenshot could not.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 19m19 minutes ago
@zthedges Even when given instructions to access Twitter analytics.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 18m18 minutes ago
@zthedges Those two people are purposely & knowingly disseminating false information to Bearcat & Huskie fans.

Zach Hedges ‏@zthedges 21m21 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV so Flugaur and who's the other??

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
@zthedges I think MH VER.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 16m16 minutes ago
@zthedges They create multiple accounts to reinforce their claims. Dishonest peer vetting.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 15m15 minutes ago
@zthedges Flugar actually tried to troll me with that screenshot.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 14m14 minutes ago
@zthedges UC & UCONN fans should understand they accept 3rd hand hearsay as valid info.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 14m14 minutes ago
@zthedges And they just maybe creating that 3rd hand hearsay info to fraudulently increase their credibility.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 13m13 minutes ago
@zthedges MH VER was kicked off 2 WVU fan sites because he created multiple accounts to confirm how connected he was.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 12m12 minutes ago
@zthedges They tracked his IP to the various accounts he was using.


ME: When moonshiners battle over what's considered integrity.

 

[sportsart]

Maybe it's time to stop giving space to MH Ver.