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Seaa Blue said:
What did I miss? I've been quite busy for that last 24 hours, so anything is possible I suppose.
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Yoda had some free time on his hands so he consulted his source:
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Zach Hedges ‏@zthedges · 56m56 minutes ago
@flugempire Is your claim of UC/UConn based on solid info or personal opinion?


Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@zthedges

Solid info.

I'm open to being flamed if incorrect.

Tweets on Jan 3rd and Feb 15th tells the story.

No ambiguity on our part
 
dwalks93 said:
Yesterday I was on the Virginia Tech board and I was amazed to see how many Hokie fans truly believe an ACCN is coming. Assuming this feeling is prevalent across the entire ACC fan bases, it would be a mistake to underestimate the reaction if the ACC is not getting a network. I understand fans do not make policy but they do pressure an AD.

It is no longer the P5 but instead the N3 + P2. If the ACC gets shut out of a network it is not hard to imagine the ACC teams with options looking to the BIG or SEC. The most valuable teams then become the teams attractive to both the SEC/BIG so UNC, UVa and VT become the prime movers. Ironically the ACC football powers (FSU/Clemson) become less targeted due to redundant SEC markets and less competitive BIG academics. I know the traditional Tobacco Road schools are the heart of the ACC but the financial divide and changing ACC culture makes a compiling case for them to explore options.

Under this scenario, the ACC would not cease to exist but it would lose at least a couple of key members. I am not sure a P4 is the absolute final outcome (although it is a very strong possibility). Instead we could have the BIG/SEC/PAC poaching the ACC/Big12 programs they want with the BIG12 and ACC remaining primarily intact and drafting programs out of the G5 to restock.

The ACC would still be a huge step above the AAC but would remain perpetually financially subordinate to the SEC, BIG and PAC. Swofford has made a ton of public promises, and likely private promises, about an ACCN. I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect a backlash if it is does not happen.
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No one is challenging a Grant of Rights, and no one outside of the moonshiners has ever claimed that the GOR was dependent on an ACC Network. Maybe something will happen to the ACC in 2025, but not until then.
 
GG said:
He and the Flug have been more accurate than the Dude in the past.
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MH has not been accurate, at least Flug has a history of being somewhat so. He got the MD thing right before it was announced - it's pinned to the top of his account. He also doesn't post specific "I have heard X is going to happen on X date" NEARLY as much as Mh and Dude have. But he's by no means key.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
MH has not been accurate, at least Flug has a history of being somewhat so. He got the MD thing right before it was announced - it's pinned to the top of his account. He also doesn't post specific "I have heard X is going to happen on X date" NEARLY as much as Mh and Dude have. But he's by no means key.
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I do not know if he broke it first, but I first read about RU to the Big 10 on MH'S Twitter page.
 
GG said:
I do not know if he broke it first, but I first read about RU to the Big 10 on MH'S Twitter page.
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No wasn't him, it was about a settlement between the ACC and MD. He tweeted it here: That's from July 14, 2014 - it wasn't released to the public until early August. That type of correct scoop cannot be found from either Dude, MH, or any of the other twitter rumor-mongers.
 
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brasssbonanzaa said:
No wasn't him, it was about a settlement between the ACC and MD. He tweeted it here: That's from July 14, 2014 - it wasn't released to the public until early August. That type of correct scoop cannot be found from either Dude, MH, or any of the other twitter rumor-mongers.
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I was not referring to Flug, I was referring to MH. Back when RU moved to the Big Ten, I first read it on his Twitter page. I could be misremembering come up but I thought it was him.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
No one is challenging a Grant of Rights, and no one outside of the moonshiners has ever claimed that the GOR was dependent on an ACC Network. Maybe something will happen to the ACC in 2025, but not until then.
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Perhaps you are right and no ACC program will challenge the GORs but saying it as an absolute does not make it so....GORs have never been challenged so no one knows what the likely outcome will be. That said, I have yet to see the threat of penalties or lawsuits hold a member in if they are determined to leave. Moreover, generally the settlements have been pennies on the dollar.

A school like UNC, UVa, perhaps even VT has nothing to worry about and can wait till 2025, they will have homes in the SEC/BIG. But what about a program like GT. GT is a fine academic school and a fine athletics program but it only has one conference with a network option, the BIG. Moreover, GT is probably not the BIG's first choice. If GT is offered a spot in the BIG in the next few years perhaps they'll feel compelled to jump while they have an offer.

The moonshiners may have an alternative motivation but some of their assessment of the ACC is valid. If the ACC does not get a network, the ACC likely will lose some programs. The only question is when.

Do you think if BC was offered a spot in the BIG tomorrow they would not jump? Some programs cannot afford to wait. No program is going to allow the threat of a GOR lawsuit to doom them to the G5.
 
The dude's talk show is the successor to Jethro Bodean's run as a Hollywood director in Beverly Hillbillies. His only problem is it's from his hilltop basement and he has no Uncle Jed or Milburn Drysdale.
 
dwalks93 said:
But what about a program like GT. GT is a fine academic school and a fine athletics program but it only has one conference with a network option, the BIG. Moreover, GT is probably not the BIG's first choice. If GT is offered a spot in the BIG in the next few years perhaps they'll feel compelled to jump while they have an offer.
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G Tech should be safe. If the ACC stays intact, they will be fine there. If the ACC is fails, G Tech will go to the B1G. They have some football history and a good season or two of hoops; but, the are AAU (big research $$ in STEM), are the 8th largest TV market in the US, the Atlanta market from what I have been told is a huge alumni hub for the B1G (think of all of the OH & MI jobs that have moved to GA). Basically the 'Rutgers' of Atlanta with better sports (both schools are tied at #36 in the US News academic rankings).
 
dwalks93 said:
Perhaps you are right and no ACC program will challenge the GORs but saying it as an absolute does not make it so....GORs have never been challenged so no one knows what the likely outcome will be. That said, I have yet to see the threat of penalties or lawsuits hold a member in if they are determined to leave. Moreover, generally the settlements have been pennies on the dollar.

A school like UNC, UVa, perhaps even VT has nothing to worry about and can wait till 2025, they will have homes in the SEC/BIG. But what about a program like GT. GT is a fine academic school and a fine athletics program but it only has one conference with a network option, the BIG. Moreover, GT is probably not the BIG's first choice. If GT is offered a spot in the BIG in the next few years perhaps they'll feel compelled to jump while they have an offer.

The moonshiners may have an alternative motivation but some of their assessment of the ACC is valid. If the ACC does not get a network, the ACC likely will lose some programs. The only question is when.

Do you think if BC was offered a spot in the BIG tomorrow they would not jump? Some programs cannot afford to wait. No program is going to allow the threat of a GOR lawsuit to doom them to the G5.
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If it was realistically possible to challenge a GOR, then UConn and Cincinnati would not be in the discussion for the Big 12. No conference or school is going to challenge the GOR.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
If it was realistically possible to challenge a GOR, then UConn and Cincinnati would not be in the discussion for the Big 12. No conference or school is going to challenge the GOR.
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No team is leaving the ACC for the Big 12 right now.The Big12 is less stable, less geographically attractive and can't pay significantly more money. Even if there were no GORs an ACC team would be foolish to leave for a non-network Big 12.

When the SEC/BIG expand and take teams from the G5 then I'll acknowledge the GORs are unchallengeable. Perhaps the GORs are the reason realignment has slowed or perhaps after the last round of expansion, the P5 conferences are still digesting their new acquisitions and are content to wait.

No question GORs are a factor but why do you think so many pundits are arguing against potential Big 12 expansion? Once the shooting begins again it may trigger a whole new war. The Big/SEC can wait till the ACC GORs expire in 2025 unless there is a fear their ACC target may go to another rival conference early.

IMO If the ACC doesn't get an ACCN the writing is on all the wall for some teams to leave. It may not happen immediately but someone will probably try to leave before 2025. BC's and Pitt's behavior in the old BE have shown the kind of double dealing which will occur when teams deem their current conference inferior. That said, if the ACC gets a network then the ACC is probably safe till at least 2025.

Swofford needs to deliver on his ACCN promise. If he doesn't...stand by
 
Flug probably picked up his info same place some of us did on Warchant....


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Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
B12 Update: Despite the rumors the Big 12 has not decided to expand nor have they picked additions.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
Big 12 expansion is dependent on a Big 12 network. No network means no expansion.

Mountaineer Steve ‏@Mountaineer_Ste · 2h2 hours ago  Irmo, SC
@theDudeofWV Have you spent time estimating revenue generated from BIG12N

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste This isn't complete. No expenses or out of market income included.


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Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste UC & BYU markets nearly identical.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Expansion candidates include: BYU, UC, UCF, UCONN & USF. Those are the front runners according to sources.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Dark horse candidates still in the running but highly unlikely include Boise State, Col. State, Memphis & Houston.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
B12 sources say if expansion is feasible they will first approach a few P5 candidates to gauge their interest then G5 candidates.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Assuming a B12N is feasible it's not yet been determined if the Big 12 will add 2 or 4 schools.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
4 seems most likely given the need to fulfill Fox/ESPN broadcast appearances & populate network.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@KraigOlsen In every case of expansion conf have went to 12 for a CCG & 14 for a network.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
The B12's decision to expand will be based on the recommendations of BHV as to which combo adds the most value.
 
Take UConn, both the Florida schools and who cares for #14. I have a feeling it would be Cincy to keep the conference in two time zones.

Give the Texas schools full access to Florida's HS recruits and markets and vice versa and it's a done deal. Texas, Oklahoma, OSU would have no problem filling up the Bucaneers stadium or Brighthouse in Orlando. Heck, the Citrus Bowl could get dusted off for really big games.
 
http://www.landthieves.com/board/sh...t-never-ends&p=2746575&viewfull=1#post2746575

Universal Horn;2746575 said:
Lots of discussion on Orangebloods today with some inside sources.

UT wants to stay with OU in whatever conference we are in...whether it's the Big 12 or the Pac, B1G, SEC or ACC. Boren's suggestions to fix the Big 12 won't close the gap with the B1G or SEC, so the hope is that UT and OU quietly discuss leaving together when it is possible (2025 at the latest). Hopefully Boren will get the message loud and clear after the May Big 12 meetings are over, and we can get the process going quietly.
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Universal Horn;2746736 said:
Insiders on Orangebloods indicated the Pac is still very interested in expanding with UT and OU, with some additional teams possible. No word on how many (4 or 6) are preferred or who they are.
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ME: "Death By Texsa" is still remotely possible. It'll depend on how willing the PAC is on taking in additional schools from the B12.
 
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Just looking at the Connecticut Market we are 50% bigger than either UC or BYU and unlike those schools there is no P5 competition in state. Besides the Connecticut footprint, we will bring some percentage of the Boston to NYC markets outside of Connecticut. If we agree to play some conference games in NYC, Metlife or Gillette , which I think we should, we can extend and increase our brand. Adding as little as 5% of Boston or NYC markets to our current geography increases our value.
 
upstater said:
If the conferences are all moving to 16, the thought of taking Texas instead of Boise State should focus a few minds.
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Why are the conferences all going to 16? The SEC, Pac 12 and Big 10 all have schools that left the Big 12 to get away from Texas.
 
MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 4h4 hours ago
Boren tells Bowlsby that a Longhorn branded B12 network isn't gonna fly. Says UT can keep the branding in their markets though.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 3h3 hours ago
And now ESPN is offering ACC an additional $45m per year on their contract with absence of ACCN. That's $3m per school.

Mountaineer Steve ‏@Mountaineer_Ste 6m6 minutes agoIrmo, SC
@MH ver3 Again, the fact that the ACC is just an overlap of BIG and SEC, it is cheaper and better for ESPN to let ACC go bye bye.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 3h3 hours ago
That still won't be enough to get an updated GOR according to my sources.
 
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You might not need UCF or USF. If the B12 added UConn and Cincinnati/BYU and launched a network, that would more-than-likely seal the deal on an ACCN never launching. When the ACC disbands, UL, Clemson, Miami/FSU (whoever the SEC doesn't take) and someone else would go to the B12. Quick and easy way to get to 16 without being forced into adding fringe directional Florida schools with poor academics and mediocre athletics.
 
CoastAtlantic said:
MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 3h3 hours ago
And now ESPN is offering ACC an additional $45m per year on their contract with absence of ACCN. That's $3m per school.

Mountaineer Steve ‏@Mountaineer_Ste 6m6 minutes agoIrmo, SC
@MH ver3 Again, the fact that the ACC is just an overlap of BIG and SEC, it is cheaper and better for ESPN to let ACC go bye bye.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 3h3 hours ago
That still won't be enough to get an updated GOR according to my sources.
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I know MH ver isn't a credible source but...

Does this remind anyone else of the Big East turning down the last ESPN offer? We all know what happened next.

I can envision FSU and Clemson leading charge to turn down the offer replete with the knowledge that they'll have a soft landing if the whole s.h.i.t house goes up in flames.
 
Dooley said:
You might not need UCF or USF. If the B12 added UConn and Cincinnati/BYU and launched a network, that would more-than-likely seal the deal on an ACCN never launching. When the ACC disbands, UL, Clemson, Miami/FSU (whoever the SEC doesn't take) and someone else would go to the B12. Quick and easy way to get to 16 without being forced into adding fringe directional Florida schools with poor academics and mediocre athletics.
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This has to happen first. I don't believe for a second that anyone is leaving the ACC for the Big 12 without a Big 12 network firmly in place.

All that being said, the lack of an ACC Network is very telling.
 
NYUConn said:
This has to happen first. I don't believe for a second that anyone is leaving the ACC for the Big 12 without a Big 12 network firmly in place.

All that being said, the lack of an ACC Network is very telling.
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Completely agree. In my opinion, there is only enough interest (and dollars) to launch 1 more conference network. The B12 and ACC are in a race of sorts. If the B12 is smart and adds schools based on markets (UConn plus either Cinci or BYU) and can launch their B12N first, then they will be the prime soft landing spot for schools like Clemson, Louisville, Miami/FSU, etc. Then the B12 can really boost its football profile with those additions, in addition to penetrating FL recruiting without having to add any lightweight directional FL schools.
 
CoastAtlantic said:
MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 4h4 hours ago
Boren tells Bowlsby that a Longhorn branded B12 network isn't gonna fly. Says UT can keep the branding in their markets though.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 3h3 hours ago
And now ESPN is offering ACC an additional $45m per year on their contract with absence of ACCN. That's $3m per school.

Mountaineer Steve ‏@Mountaineer_Ste 6m6 minutes agoIrmo, SC
@MH ver3 Again, the fact that the ACC is just an overlap of BIG and SEC, it is cheaper and better for ESPN to let ACC go bye bye.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 3h3 hours ago
That still won't be enough to get an updated GOR according to my sources.
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This guy has to be trolling us now. He puts one tweet that is good news for UConn with 3 ACC Apocalypse tweets that are total fantasies.
 
CL82 said:
I know MH ver isn't a credible source but...

Does this remind anyone else of the Big East turning down the last ESPN offer? We all know what happened next.

I can envision FSU and Clemson leading charge to turn down the offer replete with the knowledge that they'll have a soft landing if the whole s.h.i.t house goes up in flames.
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FSU's athletic department revenue ($121.3 million) is already more than any in the Big 12 save Oklahoma and Texas...Do you think a bump of $6-$10 million (5-9%) is enough to entice a program to leave its rivalries. play west of the Mississippi, out of the alumni footprint, and away from the east coast recruiting areas?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...sports-sec-big-ten-dominate-100m-revenue-club
 
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