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Seaa Blue said:
@McMurphyESPN: ACC coaches want Notre Dame to join a league. If ND joins a league before 2027, its contractually bound to join ACC

Of course, we don't know the details, such as the damages that ND would pay if going elsewhere.
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I've never bought ND to the ACC, the move just seemed like a sweetheart stop-gap with the Big East dying. And the "contractual obligation" to the ACC doesn't mean much. Like everything else, there would be a lawsuit and some sort of compensation paid to get out of the obligation. I've always assumed that if truly forced to join a conference, Notre Dame would go to the BIG. The only way I could really see them coming to the ACC is if they came with a big time partner, like Penn State. But that's not very likely at all.
 
I'm just going to vomit my opinion on you guys, since this is one of the few realignment threads out there and the BC boards hate these kinds of things:

1) I think 16 is the magic number. Can't see 18 or 20 team conferences. Sure, you get more markets, but there's no way to make anything higher than 16 work. With 20 teams and a 9 game schedule, you never play a team from the other division unless you make the championship game. Never. Even with 18 teams and a 9 game schedule, you only play the teams from the other division once a decade. Teams are already upset about the infrequency of match-ups in the 14-team ACC, BIG and SEC.

2) Notre Dame will join a conference if 4x16 is happening, and the BIG, Big 12 and ACC won't go to 16 without fully exhausting all opportunities to land the biggest chip remaining (ND).

3) ND's preference is probably BIG > ACC > Big 12.

4) If ND goes to the BIG as #15, then things get really interesting for #16. I just can't see any of the other commonly cited BIG target teams leaving alone with ND without a rival partner. UNC, Duke or GT are not going alone to the BIG without a more historical partner. Maybe VT would go alone. That might be the most likely partner.

5) However, if ND requested BC as a BIG partner (assuming the pope intercedes), BC would be approved in a heartbeat by the BIG. After all, BC brings Boston the same way Rutgers brings NYC (in that they both could potentially bring in viewers and command top rate carriage fees with improvement). BC with historically respectable basketball and football (though we've picked a terrible time to struggle), and the best hockey team in the country, which would certainly win some votes with schools like Wisconsin and Minnesota. Also, if you're ignoring AAU to add Notre Dame, BC's academics certainly pass muster.

6) Rule #1 of Conference Reallignment. (am I doing this right?) :)
 
Tusky said:
I've always assumed that if truly forced to join a conference, Notre Dame would go to the BIG. The only way I could really see them coming to the ACC is if they came with a big time partner, like Penn State. But that's not very likely at all.
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You haven't been following @TerryD , have you :rolleyes:

ND to B1G is probably a nuked bridge.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
Well sure if ND agreed to join the Big 10 without absurd conditions and requested BC come along they'd be invited. If ND agreed to join and requested UMass come along they'd be invited too.
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:)

I guess the serious point I'd make is that it seems really, really unlikely that the BIG would take Duke and UNC as #15 and #16. Because then 4x16 is happening, the ACC would be collapsing and Notre Dame would join a conference, but the BIG would have already hit the ceiling at 16. This would effectively drive Notre Dame to the Big 12. Which Notre Dame probably isn't interested in. Which means if the BIG ever were really close to adding two more ACC teams, Notre Dame would intervene and take #15 for themselves.
 
Seaa Blue said:
You haven't been following @TerryD , have you :rolleyes:

ND to B1G is probably a nuked bridge.
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I just don't buy it. If 4x16 with 9 conference game schedules happen, Notre Dame would warm back up to the BIG in a hurry. As attractive as games against FSU, Clemson, GT, and Miami might be, it doesn't compare to historical rivals like Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, as well as other marquees like Ohio State and Penn State. Even the scrubs of the BIG (Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, etc) are at least more geographically appealing than playing ACC scrubs (NCST, Wake, Duke, etc).

The only thing worse about the BIG is the argument that Notre Dame couldn't dominate, and would lose it's mystique when it becomes just another Midwestern team, a la Penn State.
 
Tusky said:
5) However, if ND requested BC as a BIG partner (assuming the pope intercedes), BC would be approved in a heartbeat by the BIG. After all, BC brings Boston the same way Rutgers brings NYC (in that they both could potentially bring in viewers and command top rate carriage fees with improvement). BC with historically respectable basketball and football (though we've picked a terrible time to struggle), and the best hockey team in the country, which would certainly win some votes with schools like Wisconsin and Minnesota. Also, if you're ignoring AAU to add Notre Dame, BC's academics certainly pass muster.
:)
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Here is my opinion.

UConn and Cincy go to B12 and help kick off the B12 network. ACC does not start a network so FSU and Clemson join the B12. In the ensuing panic Virginia and ND join the B10 and this really gets the ball rolling. Next the SEC takes UNC and Duke. The B12 then grabs Georgia Tech and VT. The leftovers from the ACC merge with the AAC to become the AAAC.
 
Tusky said:
The only thing worse about the BIG is the argument that Notre Dame couldn't dominate, and would lose it's mystique when it becomes just another Midwestern team, a la Penn State.
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We have a winner. :)

(I am legally obligated to remind you at this point that these are not "non-key tweets")
 
Stinger92860 said:
Here is my opinion.

UConn and Cincy go to B12 and help kick off the B12 network. ACC does not start a network so FSU and Clemson join the B12. In the ensuing panic Virginia and ND join the B10 and this really gets the ball rolling. Next the SEC takes UNC and Duke. The B12 then grabs Georgia Tech and VT. The leftovers from the ACC merge with the AAC to become the AAAC.
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Plausible, but I can't buy UVa or even the more I think about it, VT as #16 for the BIG. What do they bring? Maryland was already supposed to bring DC. Suburban Virginia adds nothing. I hate to say it, but it's the same problem that UConn has when aspiring to a BIG invite. Sure, you have viewers in NYC, but it's redundant. The BIG already has a foot in NYC with Rutgers.

Isn't this more about network penetration and carriage fees rather than ratings and advertising revenue. Get the BTN on in as many major media markets as possible. The teams that will drive the ratings will always be Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and potentially Notre Dame, not the local team.

Adding BC as #16 gives the BIG every major city in the northeast.
 
Tusky, you may be overrating Notre Dame's value. Sure they may be the top property on the board, but valuable enough to carry BC along with them? Doubt it - not compared to two flagships (UVa and UConn, UVa and UNC) or, if research/AAU matters, Duke or Georgia Tech.

You may also be overrating BC's pull with the Pope. Sure, the Pope might prefer to see BC in the B1G over ACC, but would he really pressure Notre Dame to make it happen? And if he did, would Notre Dame play along? He might find it easier to get BC soccer into an Argentinian league.
 
Tusky said:
Plausible, but I can't buy UVa or even the more I think about it, VT as #16 for the BIG. What do they bring?
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UVa brings the Richmond and Hampton Roads metro areas, which combined are 3 million people. And the rest of the state has another 2 million (outside of DC).
 
When has ND ever worked in anyone interest other than their owns? Why would they suddenly advocate for BC? Catholic values do not pay the bills...Catholic on Sundays but capitalists on Saturday.

The most likely way ND gives up its independence is if there were only 4 conferences and the conference winners automatically went to the playoff. As long as ND can backdoor a way into the playoff they will likely not commit to a conference. That said, why would the P4 ever make a rule excluding everyone else? In actuality there is no chance of anyone outside the P5 and ND going to the playoffs now but the P5 needs all the "little people in the G5" to watch college football. "Hope" brings in money.

ND's very identity is "independent" and I would be surprised if they join a conference until the there are no options left. At that point the "bring a friend" argument seems tougher to dictate. The spots in the lifeboat will be tight. My guess is the BIG may not be so generous on terms if ND resists to the end.
 
dwalks93 said:
When has ND ever worked in anyone interest other than their owns? Why would they suddenly advocate for BC? Catholic values do not pay the bills...Catholic on Sundays but capitalists on Saturday.

The most likely way ND gives up its independence is if there were only 4 conferences and the conference winners automatically went to the playoff. As long as ND can backdoor a way into the playoff they will likely not commit to a conference. That said, why would the P4 ever make a rule excluding everyone else? In actuality there is no chance of anyone outside the P5 and ND going to the playoffs now but the P5 needs all the "little people in the G5" to watch college football. "Hope" brings in money.

ND's very identity is "independent" and I would be surprised if they join a conference until the there are no options left. At that point the "bring a friend" argument seems tougher to dictate. The spots in the lifeboat will be tight. My guess is the BIG may not be so generous on terms if ND resists to the end.
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"Hope"? Like in the hunger games?
 
Tusky said:
Plausible, but I can't buy UVa or even the more I think about it, VT as #16 for the BIG. What do they bring? Maryland was already supposed to bring DC. Suburban Virginia adds nothing. I hate to say it, but it's the same problem that UConn has when aspiring to a BIG invite. Sure, you have viewers in NYC, but it's redundant. The BIG already has a foot in NYC with Rutgers.

Isn't this more about network penetration and carriage fees rather than ratings and advertising revenue. Get the BTN on in as many major media markets as possible. The teams that will drive the ratings will always be Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and potentially Notre Dame, not the local team.

Adding BC as #16 gives the BIG every major city in the northeast.
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Similar to the NYC market, no one college controls the DC market. A conference needs at least 2 teams to make it theirs and two of the major DC teams are a issue as one does not play D1 football (Georgetown) and the other is not a major basketball team (Navy, apologies to the Admiral). The ACC had 2 of the biggest brands in DC in Maryland and UVA; but, let Maryland sneak away to the B1G in the middle of the night. Should the B1G land UVA or V Tech, the ACC will be MIA in the DC market, which is the 9th largest in the US. Now, should UConn somehow end-up in the B1G the XII, the ACC would also be significantly be weakened in the NYC market, which of course is #1.

Plus, if UVA leaves, UNC will also leave and that will be the end of the ACC.

Oh, by the way, saying BC carries the Boston market is a stretch. Outside of the hockey program, which is not in the ACC, I have seen UConn in the Boston news more than BC over the years at least since Flutie graduated. Between this and BC's status as a 'small' private, non-state flagship, Catholic university, the only chance that BC gets into the B1G is if ND swallows its pride, make amends with U Michigan and others and ND demands that BC join them. A very slim chance. Duke has a higher chance as they are AAU, offer a boat load of research dollars (Duke Med versus no med at BC for example), have a 'decent' basketball pedigree, and I think the B1G wants UNC more than ND. Thus, UNC has more leverage to bring Duke along for the ride than ND would for BC. Plus, ND have proven that it watches out for #1 only. Why do they care about BC?

I'm a numbers guy, so I took a lot at the current conference structure and the top 50 US TV markets. I inverted the value (#1 TV market = 50 Points, #50 TV market = 1 point) and then gave 3 points for a market leader, 2 for a split, and 1 for a secondary market presence. This gave me the following:
  • ACC: 924 points
  • B1G: 1,232 points
  • PAC: 912 points
  • SEC: 851 points
  • XII: 324 points
The B1G has a network, is the by far the TV leader in points at 1,232 and is therefore as a future P4 member (sorry Penn St is not leaving the B1G for the ACC ever). No question. The PAC is at #3 with 912 points and has a TV network and is protected geographically. Thus, they are a lock as a P4 member; but, may look to expand. While sitting forth in points, which should make them vulnerable, The SEC has a TV network and their football brand protects them. They are also a lock to be a P4 conference, while they will likely look to expand. The ACC sits second with 924 points and should be a lock to be a P4 member but, does not have a network and only leads one of the top ten markets (Boston - BC on its own is a stretch; but with ND, too, I give it to them). This dilutes their value to the TV networks and makes it vulnerable to being raided by both the B1G and the SEC in an effort to expand their own markets along with the XII in a fight for survival. The XII only has 324 points and sits fifth as they share their two largest markets with the SEC (DFW & Houston) and lead fairly small markets (Austin & OKC). They should be dead; but, if they can expand by adding UConn (gains a split with the #1 market in NYC and a leader in the #29 market in New Haven/Hartford) and another market (Temple = Philly - #4, USF - Tampa #12, UCF = Orlando #28, UC = Cincinnati - #33) they should be able to live long enough for the GOR's to expire in the mid 2020's and if the ACC fails to secure a network by then, well...
 

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coachcap said:
Don't know if this was addressed in another thread, so I'm adding it here. Being as WVU is one of the proponents of B-XII expansion, AND wants schools closer to Morgantown, I visited the Mountaineer Scout Board & scanned their Big XII Conference board (formerly their CR board). There is a thread simply entitled UCONN.
Incredible stubbornness & lack of enlightenment by some posters. One poster's thoughts as an example: Doesn't want UCONN under any circumstances. They've never been good in football (forget 2 Big East Co-Championships), lack of facilities which they can't afford to build (guess that he's never seen pictures of the Schenk), bring nothing to the table. Other posters tried to tell this clown that, in the future, CR is about population & cable boxes to build a conference network (citing Rutgers to the B-XII as an example) & that UCONN brings the entire area from NYC to Boston-high population density for subscribership. He wasn't having any of it & reduced the thread to name calling. WOW.
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I posted this video of our facilities on the WVU board. Also posted it on the Houston board a couple of weeks ago. There is a lot of misinformation out there.

 
What is that at 1:15?
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