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[dwalks93]

You know what this really sounds like? I have heard it before in my way, way back.

I remember choosing teams at sandlot baseball. And I saw this again as a young guy at FSU in the late 60's-early 70's when FSU was rebuffed for 15 years by the SEC and Florida.


Wah! You didn't pick me.

Wah! I am so better than Johnny!

You are stupid and are going to die stupid..wah!

You'll see what a mistake you made. You watch. You'll be sorry.

Johnny sucks and nobody likes him anyway.


Now, hopefully, it's getting to be time to just let the hurt go, and go play in the Big 12...

And we all will be on here with a cheer. Even us non UConn guys. Bad endings are always salved by a new beginning.

And, the basketball rivalries ought to be great.

Hoping for news this summer.

Billybud, I am amused you think all the comments on the BY about the ACC are purely spite driven. While there is certainly some hard feelings by UConn fans toward the ACC that does not mean the analysis of the ACC's future is invalid.

Bottom line: the ACC did not recognize the financial future of P5 was tied to networks and thus did not expand appropriately. Networks changed the value of teams. For a network, flagship state schools are the key components. You are not marketing to a national audience like on ESPN but instead toward a targeted regional demographic who will pay to see their team. A network requires a school to sell the entire state and small private schools cannot produce the subscriber numbers like big flagships schools. For example, I have family in WV and when I visit there every single person I see is wearing WVU apparel. Most of those people never attended WVU or probably can even read but they cheer for their state school and will pay to see them. To WV residents WVU is WV and every kid in the state growing up cheering for the Mountaineers.

One can argue Syracuse, Pittsburgh, BC, and Louisville are athletically superior to West Virginia, Rutgers, Maryland and UConn (actually, probably not but lets assume so arguendo) but there is no question which choice is better for a network. The ACC squandered all the above programs and thus doomed itself to non-network status. That assessment is not said in spite, it is based in reality.

The ACC has sold its future to direct sales to media providers. If the ACC is selling its games to ESPN for nationwide distribution then perhaps Louisville-FSU sells better than FSU-UConn in football. But ESPN will never pay the revenue a network can. If you doubt this statement look at the last earning statement from the BIG/SEC. The network conferences are separating themselves...the B12 understands this, I am not sure why the ACC has not reached this conclusion?

The ACC needs 2 things to happen:
1. The B12 not to acquire a network. B12 instability helps the ACC. If the Big12 gets a network and the ACC is the only conference left behind, stand by for defections.
2. The market to change. Maybe the unplugging phenomena will eventually make a network less profitable? Maybe direct internet sales will change how programs can make money? Point is the ACC does not have the teams to support a network and unless the current environment changes the money gap is only going to get larger. In the current environment the ACC's future is very clouded.

The B12 may be UConn's life line and we all want it. But regardless of what happens with the B12 the above evaluation of the ACC will not change. ...."and that's all she wrote..."

 

[nelsonmuntz]

FSU and Clemson to Tobacco Road, 2012: "You're not the boss of us. Give us a southern football school or else."
FSU and Clemson to Tobacco Road, 2016: "You duck*ed up. You listened to us. Next time you know we're making a mistake, please do what's best for us, not what we ask for."

Agree. Adding Louisville has turned out to be a bad choice. If it was a good idea, the ACC would have a network by now.

 

[CL82]

Sometimes I think it is really great the BY gives opposing fans so much leeway here.

Sometimes.

 

[coachcap]

Don't know if this was addressed in another thread, so I'm adding it here. Being as WVU is one of the proponents of B-XII expansion, AND wants schools closer to Morgantown, I visited the Mountaineer Scout Board & scanned their Big XII Conference board (formerly their CR board). There is a thread simply entitled UCONN.
Incredible stubbornness & lack of enlightenment by some posters. One poster's thoughts as an example: Doesn't want UCONN under any circumstances. They've never been good in football (forget 2 Big East Co-Championships), lack of facilities which they can't afford to build (guess that he's never seen pictures of the Schenk), bring nothing to the table. Other posters tried to tell this clown that, in the future, CR is about population & cable boxes to build a conference network (citing Rutgers to the B-XII as an example) & that UCONN brings the entire area from NYC to Boston-high population density for subscribership. He wasn't having any of it & reduced the thread to name calling. WOW.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Don't know if this was addressed in another thread, so I'm adding it here. Being as WVU is one of the proponents of B-XII expansion, AND wants schools closer to Morgantown, I visited the Mountaineer Scout Board & scanned their Big XII Conference board (formerly their CR board). There is a thread simply entitled UCONN.
Incredible stubbornness & lack of enlightenment by some posters. One poster's thoughts as an example: Doesn't want UCONN under any circumstances. They've never been good in football (forget 2 Big East Co-Championships), lack of facilities which they can't afford to build (guess that he's never seen pictures of the Schenk), bring nothing to the table. Other posters tried to tell this clown that, in the future, CR is about population & cable boxes to build a conference network (citing Rutgers to the B-XII as an example) & that UCONN brings the entire area from NYC to Boston-high population density for subscribership. He wasn't having any of it & reduced the thread to name calling. WOW.

There was a small window in time where conferences added schools because they were good in football. And then they saw the Big 10 add Maryland and Rutgers, and the SEC add Missouri and Texas A&M and the Pac 12 add Colorado, and the Big 12 and ACC realized they had screwed up completely. TCU and WVU were not particularly valuable for a conference network, and ND basketball, Syracuse, Louisville and Pitt were completely worthless from that perspective. Now both leagues are figuring out what to do next.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Sometimes I think it is really great the BY gives opposing fans so much leeway here.

Sometimes.

Yeah. Over 2000 posts of leeway.

 

[dayooper]

Don't know if this was addressed in another thread, so I'm adding it here. Being as WVU is one of the proponents of B-XII expansion, AND wants schools closer to Morgantown, I visited the Mountaineer Scout Board & scanned their Big XII Conference board (formerly their CR board). There is a thread simply entitled UCONN.
Incredible stubbornness & lack of enlightenment by some posters. One poster's thoughts as an example: Doesn't want UCONN under any circumstances. They've never been good in football (forget 2 Big East Co-Championships), lack of facilities which they can't afford to build (guess that he's never seen pictures of the Schenk), bring nothing to the table. Other posters tried to tell this clown that, in the future, CR is about population & cable boxes to build a conference network (citing Rutgers to the B-XII as an example) & that UCONN brings the entire area from NYC to Boston-high population density for subscribership. He wasn't having any of it & reduced the thread to name calling. WOW.

That's par for the course, over there. I will repeat this over and over, this is the most sane CR board out there, with the VT board second. Every other CR board becomes my conference is better than yours quickly. The NDJoe's, the Okie Lites and those like them become so unbearable when intelligent conversation is taking place.

If/When you get into the Big12, don't take this board down. It would be an attack on intelligent CR discourse (oxymoron, I know) everywhere!

 

[MattMang23]

Well, we should be pretty good realignment talkers. We are pros at it by now, what with our school having gone through it and having been in the middle of it since 2011.

 

[Tusky]

Is anyone talking about ND? If there's legitimately another round of realignment coming and 4x16 is coming, this is a big piece of the puzzle to ignore. I would imagine 4x16 would force ND's hand since it almost guarantees they are excluded from the playoff barring an undefeated season. And if 4x16 is happening now, I'd imagine knowing where ND is going should be consideration #1 before considering where the other chips will fall. Any rumors out there?

 

[Seaa Blue]

@McMurphyESPN: ACC coaches want Notre Dame to join a league. If ND joins a league before 2027, its contractually bound to join ACC

Of course, we don't know the details, such as the damages that ND would pay if going elsewhere.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

@McMurphyESPN: ACC coaches want Notre Dame to join a league. If ND joins a league before 2027, its contractually bound to join ACC

Of course, we don't know the details, such as the damages that ND would pay if going elsewhere.

When did he tweet this? Doesn't appear recent.

 

[Tusky]

@McMurphyESPN: ACC coaches want Notre Dame to join a league. If ND joins a league before 2027, its contractually bound to join ACC

Of course, we don't know the details, such as the damages that ND would pay if going elsewhere.

I've never bought ND to the ACC, the move just seemed like a sweetheart stop-gap with the Big East dying. And the "contractual obligation" to the ACC doesn't mean much. Like everything else, there would be a lawsuit and some sort of compensation paid to get out of the obligation. I've always assumed that if truly forced to join a conference, Notre Dame would go to the BIG. The only way I could really see them coming to the ACC is if they came with a big time partner, like Penn State. But that's not very likely at all.

 

[Seaa Blue]

When did he tweet this? Doesn't appear recent.

A long time ago in a galaxy...

Swarbrick also said a while back that, by agreement with the ACC, ND football would be headed to the ACC if anywhere.

 

[Tusky]

I'm just going to vomit my opinion on you guys, since this is one of the few realignment threads out there and the BC boards hate these kinds of things:

1) I think 16 is the magic number. Can't see 18 or 20 team conferences. Sure, you get more markets, but there's no way to make anything higher than 16 work. With 20 teams and a 9 game schedule, you never play a team from the other division unless you make the championship game. Never. Even with 18 teams and a 9 game schedule, you only play the teams from the other division once a decade. Teams are already upset about the infrequency of match-ups in the 14-team ACC, BIG and SEC.

2) Notre Dame will join a conference if 4x16 is happening, and the BIG, Big 12 and ACC won't go to 16 without fully exhausting all opportunities to land the biggest chip remaining (ND).

3) ND's preference is probably BIG > ACC > Big 12.

4) If ND goes to the BIG as #15, then things get really interesting for #16. I just can't see any of the other commonly cited BIG target teams leaving alone with ND without a rival partner. UNC, Duke or GT are not going alone to the BIG without a more historical partner. Maybe VT would go alone. That might be the most likely partner.

5) However, if ND requested BC as a BIG partner (assuming the pope intercedes), BC would be approved in a heartbeat by the BIG. After all, BC brings Boston the same way Rutgers brings NYC (in that they both could potentially bring in viewers and command top rate carriage fees with improvement). BC with historically respectable basketball and football (though we've picked a terrible time to struggle), and the best hockey team in the country, which would certainly win some votes with schools like Wisconsin and Minnesota. Also, if you're ignoring AAU to add Notre Dame, BC's academics certainly pass muster.

6) Rule #1 of Conference Reallignment. (am I doing this right?)

 

[Seaa Blue]

I've always assumed that if truly forced to join a conference, Notre Dame would go to the BIG. The only way I could really see them coming to the ACC is if they came with a big time partner, like Penn State. But that's not very likely at all.

You haven't been following @TerryD , have you

ND to B1G is probably a nuked bridge.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Well sure if ND agreed to join the Big 10 without absurd conditions and requested BC come along they'd be invited. If ND agreed to join and requested UMass come along they'd be invited too.

 

[Tusky]

Well sure if ND agreed to join the Big 10 without absurd conditions and requested BC come along they'd be invited. If ND agreed to join and requested UMass come along they'd be invited too.

I guess the serious point I'd make is that it seems really, really unlikely that the BIG would take Duke and UNC as #15 and #16. Because then 4x16 is happening, the ACC would be collapsing and Notre Dame would join a conference, but the BIG would have already hit the ceiling at 16. This would effectively drive Notre Dame to the Big 12. Which Notre Dame probably isn't interested in. Which means if the BIG ever were really close to adding two more ACC teams, Notre Dame would intervene and take #15 for themselves.

 

[Seaa Blue]

5) However, if ND requested BC as a BIG partner (assuming the pope intercedes), BC would be approved in a heartbeat by the BIG.

You might be in luck there.

B1G Ten’s Jim Delany To Be New Commissioner Of Catholic Church

https://dubsism.wordpress.com/2013/...ny-to-be-new-commissioner-of-catholic-church/

 

[Waquoit]

this is the most sane CR board out there... Every other CR board becomes my conference is better than yours quickly.

Yeah, we don't have that problem. Thanks, I think.

 

[Tusky]

You haven't been following @TerryD , have you

ND to B1G is probably a nuked bridge.

I just don't buy it. If 4x16 with 9 conference game schedules happen, Notre Dame would warm back up to the BIG in a hurry. As attractive as games against FSU, Clemson, GT, and Miami might be, it doesn't compare to historical rivals like Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, as well as other marquees like Ohio State and Penn State. Even the scrubs of the BIG (Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, etc) are at least more geographically appealing than playing ACC scrubs (NCST, Wake, Duke, etc).

The only thing worse about the BIG is the argument that Notre Dame couldn't dominate, and would lose it's mystique when it becomes just another Midwestern team, a la Penn State.

 

[Stinger92860]

5) However, if ND requested BC as a BIG partner (assuming the pope intercedes), BC would be approved in a heartbeat by the BIG. After all, BC brings Boston the same way Rutgers brings NYC (in that they both could potentially bring in viewers and command top rate carriage fees with improvement). BC with historically respectable basketball and football (though we've picked a terrible time to struggle), and the best hockey team in the country, which would certainly win some votes with schools like Wisconsin and Minnesota. Also, if you're ignoring AAU to add Notre Dame, BC's academics certainly pass muster.

Here is my opinion.

UConn and Cincy go to B12 and help kick off the B12 network. ACC does not start a network so FSU and Clemson join the B12. In the ensuing panic Virginia and ND join the B10 and this really gets the ball rolling. Next the SEC takes UNC and Duke. The B12 then grabs Georgia Tech and VT. The leftovers from the ACC merge with the AAC to become the AAAC.

 

[Seaa Blue]

The only thing worse about the BIG is the argument that Notre Dame couldn't dominate, and would lose it's mystique when it becomes just another Midwestern team, a la Penn State.

We have a winner.

(I am legally obligated to remind you at this point that these are not "non-key tweets")

 

[dayooper]

We have a winner.

(I am legally obligated to remind you at this point that these are not "non-key tweets")

Wait, @TerryD isn't key?

 

[Tusky]

Here is my opinion.

UConn and Cincy go to B12 and help kick off the B12 network. ACC does not start a network so FSU and Clemson join the B12. In the ensuing panic Virginia and ND join the B10 and this really gets the ball rolling. Next the SEC takes UNC and Duke. The B12 then grabs Georgia Tech and VT. The leftovers from the ACC merge with the AAC to become the AAAC.

Plausible, but I can't buy UVa or even the more I think about it, VT as #16 for the BIG. What do they bring? Maryland was already supposed to bring DC. Suburban Virginia adds nothing. I hate to say it, but it's the same problem that UConn has when aspiring to a BIG invite. Sure, you have viewers in NYC, but it's redundant. The BIG already has a foot in NYC with Rutgers.

Isn't this more about network penetration and carriage fees rather than ratings and advertising revenue. Get the BTN on in as many major media markets as possible. The teams that will drive the ratings will always be Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and potentially Notre Dame, not the local team.

Adding BC as #16 gives the BIG every major city in the northeast.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Wait, @TerryD isn't key?

By committing to the ACC, ND relegated themselves to "non-key".

 

[Fishy]

Big Ten is a flagship conference.

Boston College isn't a flag ship nor much of a presence in their own city.

Virginia is a bigger and better bet.

 

[pj]

Tusky, you may be overrating Notre Dame's value. Sure they may be the top property on the board, but valuable enough to carry BC along with them? Doubt it - not compared to two flagships (UVa and UConn, UVa and UNC) or, if research/AAU matters, Duke or Georgia Tech.

You may also be overrating BC's pull with the Pope. Sure, the Pope might prefer to see BC in the B1G over ACC, but would he really pressure Notre Dame to make it happen? And if he did, would Notre Dame play along? He might find it easier to get BC soccer into an Argentinian league.

 

[Vowelguy]

Plausible, but I can't buy UVa or even the more I think about it, VT as #16 for the BIG. What do they bring?

UVa brings the Richmond and Hampton Roads metro areas, which combined are 3 million people. And the rest of the state has another 2 million (outside of DC).

 

[Dooley]

I can't even begin to fathom the outrage of B1G fans, if they ever added BC to the conference, that they will have abandoned their competitive, midwestern roots to add the two biggest duds east of the Mississippi.

 

[dwalks93]

When has ND ever worked in anyone interest other than their owns? Why would they suddenly advocate for BC? Catholic values do not pay the bills...Catholic on Sundays but capitalists on Saturday.

The most likely way ND gives up its independence is if there were only 4 conferences and the conference winners automatically went to the playoff. As long as ND can backdoor a way into the playoff they will likely not commit to a conference. That said, why would the P4 ever make a rule excluding everyone else? In actuality there is no chance of anyone outside the P5 and ND going to the playoffs now but the P5 needs all the "little people in the G5" to watch college football. "Hope" brings in money.

ND's very identity is "independent" and I would be surprised if they join a conference until the there are no options left. At that point the "bring a friend" argument seems tougher to dictate. The spots in the lifeboat will be tight. My guess is the BIG may not be so generous on terms if ND resists to the end.